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Post by mouse on May 31, 2018 3:53:43 GMT -5
The strength of the human species is in it's morality. Morality is a key sign of mental strength. Societies with weak morals will not tend to fare well. We see that is the failure of atheist societies time and time again. The human population continues to grow where morals are strong.
Would that be islamic morality, by any chance? i9 think he is mixing up religious edicts with morals and morality ...
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Post by fretslider on May 31, 2018 3:55:40 GMT -5
Would that be islamic morality, by any chance? i9 think he is mixing up religious edicts with morals and morality ... Mixed up just about covers it all!!!
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Post by kronks on Jun 1, 2018 2:06:59 GMT -5
Yes if they kill their own body it is a suicide, it they kill the baby it is abortion. Key difference. A DNA test will show which is which is you have any doubts.
A DNA test will show which is whichWhy would you need a DNA test for a mother and/or baby? I can understand questions on paternity requiring a DNA test, but what you're saying is plain silly. no it is not, the baby will have different DNA to the mother.
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Post by kronks on Jun 1, 2018 2:10:53 GMT -5
The strength of the human species is in it's morality. Morality is a key sign of mental strength. Societies with weak morals will not tend to fare well. We see that is the failure of atheist societies time and time again. The human population continues to grow where morals are strong.
bollox and poppycock... moral standards change and vary from society to society...and era to era still banging on about atheist societies...boring you've fl9oged that to death and you still don't know what your talking about it is true though, a society without strong morals tends to fall apart.
They are the only societies that tend to fail during peacetime.
It is quite an achievement to do that on a consitant basis lol.
Problem is atheists think a godless society will be OK, but they have never lived on one.
Atheism only works in theory.
Bit like feminism lol.
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Post by kronks on Jun 1, 2018 2:17:10 GMT -5
Yes if they kill their own body it is a suicide, it they kill the baby it is abortion. Key difference. A DNA test will show which is which is you have any doubts.
I still haven't the foggiest idea what you mean apart from stating the obvious ie a person kills them selves its suicide...and getting rid of what is not yet a being is called abortion why would a DNA test be relevant ....unless you wish to hold the males whose sperm is responsible ... my word that would be novel wouldn't it ... men having to accept responsibility for unwanted babies What is the problem? Women say it is up to them what they do with their own body as a pro abortion arguement, problem is the body they are aborting is not their own!
Lets take a simple example to help you understand.
Lets say woman is pushing her baby in a pram along side a canal and decides to tip the baby out of the pram into the canal drowning the baby.
Now how well do you think a defence of:-
"It's my pram I can do what I like with it, it is up to women to decide what she does with her pram!", would go down in court?
Not very well I would imagine.
Men can't get pregnant.
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Post by kronks on Jun 1, 2018 2:21:54 GMT -5
Human are not animals we have a distinction, animals are lower order immoral beings. Some human can be described as animals though if they exhibit animal behaviour. WE are not animals and should not look to them for moral guidance, that is regressive an insane idea.
the human being is an animal with the same physical make up as animals.. infact many animals are more moral that human beings ... after all how many animals kill for pleasure and how many animals kill because another of its species doesn't look the same ... many animals are superior to what passes for man... animals never had an inquisition or concentration and death camps... animals don't go out on the lash and end up kicking some ones head in... animals don't wait for Fridays and Saturday nights so they can rut in public animals actually have an awful lot going for them Most death camps are atheist one's. You can argue atheists are animals I guess. Having a drink is not a crime and most do not kick folks heads in. I've yet to see an animal set up a hospital or do charitable deeds.
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Post by mouse on Jun 1, 2018 3:55:01 GMT -5
bollox and poppycock... moral standards change and vary from society to society...and era to era still banging on about atheist societies...boring you've fl9oged that to death and you still don't know what your talking about it is true though, a society without strong morals tends to fall apart. They are the only societies that tend to fail during peacetime. It is quite an achievement to do that on a consitant basis lol. Problem is atheists think a godless society will be OK, but they have never lived on one. Atheism only works in theory. Bit like feminism lol.
moral standards alter from society and era... fact
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Post by mouse on Jun 1, 2018 4:32:51 GMT -5
I still haven't the foggiest idea what you mean apart from stating the obvious ie a person kills them selves its suicide...and getting rid of what is not yet a being is called abortion why would a DNA test be relevant ....unless you wish to hold the males whose sperm is responsible ... my word that would be novel wouldn't it ... men having to accept responsibility for unwanted babies What is the problem? Women say it is up to them what they do with their own body as a pro abortion arguement, problem is the body they are aborting is not their own! Lets take a simple example to help you understand. Lets say woman is pushing her baby in a pram along side a canal and decides to tip the baby out of the pram into the canal drowning the baby. Now how well do you think a defence of:- "It's my pram I can do what I like with it, it is up to women to decide what she does with her pram!", would go down in court? Not very well I would imagine. Men can't get pregnant.
I understand fully and far better than you.. given I am a woman and have produced three live births and undergone a miscarriage [not of my making] .... there is a time limit on how far in the pregnancy an abortion can be had and that time limit is based on a medical fact ... and that fact is that the baby is not a full being who can function out side the womb.... the reality is out out the pseudo emotional clap trap...if life cannot be self sustaining ie capable of breathing and feeding and is not fully formed with every thing where it should be and not even our medical advancements and achievements would not be able to sustain life or growth.. then it cannot rationally be called a baby in the true sense of the word so let me take a simle example to help you understsand...... the female body is the host body to the unborn [it isn't a child until such time as it is born after its full growing period ...and cannot live out side the womb with no medical interventions...... the fact that medical advances are such that premature births have with technology reasonable chances of survival [survival down to mans advances] and yes as a host to the unborn the mother has every right to decide whether to keep the unborn or not..she is the one it derives its growth from ... and absolutely men cannot get pregnant... but no woman ever god pregnant on her own....[cept Sarah and Mary who played around with Gabriel] so for every woman getting an abortion where is the male who impregnated her... .. and I would love all you anti abortionists to actually have an education and see some of the malformations... the genetic effects etc etc that women have produced because they were not allowed abortions which are kept away from the public eye ... even a week in a serious prem unit ... not all births are lov3ly cuddly babies.....people really should be made aware that there are times when abortion is better than life for all concerned
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Post by mouse on Jun 1, 2018 4:37:11 GMT -5
the human being is an animal with the same physical make up as animals.. infact many animals are more moral that human beings ... after all how many animals kill for pleasure and how many animals kill because another of its species doesn't look the same ... many animals are superior to what passes for man... animals never had an inquisition or concentration and death camps... animals don't go out on the lash and end up kicking some ones head in... animals don't wait for Fridays and Saturday nights so they can rut in public animals actually have an awful lot going for them Most death camps are atheist one's. You can argue atheists are animals I guess. Having a drink is not a crime and most do not kick folks heads in. I've yet to see an animal set up a hospital or do charitable deeds.
and I have yet to see a rational answer on the subject[any subject from you] if you are not aware of what goes on in our cities and towns well bully for you... you should read some police reports ... so its good Christians rolling around half dressed in the gutter.. figures
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Post by mouse on Jun 1, 2018 4:50:00 GMT -5
the human being is an animal with the same physical make up as animals.. infact many animals are more moral that human beings ... after all how many animals kill for pleasure and how many animals kill because another of its species doesn't look the same ... many animals are superior to what passes for man... animals never had an inquisition or concentration and death camps... animals don't go out on the lash and end up kicking some ones head in... animals don't wait for Fridays and Saturday nights so they can rut in public animals actually have an awful lot going for them Most death camps are atheist one's. You can argue atheists are animals I guess. Having a drink is not a crime and most do not kick folks heads in. I've yet to see an animal set up a hospital or do charitable deeds.
]"""""Most death camps are atheist one's"""" really which country are you speaking about ? yet I can name a good few religious countries with camps and other organisation of horror so please back up your statement that most death camps are athiest
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Post by fretslider on Jun 1, 2018 9:15:48 GMT -5
A DNA test will show which is whichWhy would you need a DNA test for a mother and/or baby? I can understand questions on paternity requiring a DNA test, but what you're saying is plain silly. no it is not, the baby will have different DNA to the mother. no it is not, the baby will have different DNA to the mother.Try reading my post again Why would you need a DNA test for a mother and/or baby? I can understand questions on paternity requiring a DNA test, but what you're saying is plain silly. You would only test a maternal case if the mother and baby were separated and identification were needed. Ie post adoption etc. Not likely to happen in cases of abortion, right? Duh.
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Post by kronks on Jun 2, 2018 1:43:24 GMT -5
What is the problem? Women say it is up to them what they do with their own body as a pro abortion arguement, problem is the body they are aborting is not their own! Lets take a simple example to help you understand. Lets say woman is pushing her baby in a pram along side a canal and decides to tip the baby out of the pram into the canal drowning the baby. Now how well do you think a defence of:- "It's my pram I can do what I like with it, it is up to women to decide what she does with her pram!", would go down in court? Not very well I would imagine. Men can't get pregnant.
I understand fully and far better than you.. given I am a woman and have produced three live births and undergone a miscarriage [not of my making] .... there is a time limit on how far in the pregnancy an abortion can be had and that time limit is based on a medical fact ... and that fact is that the baby is not a full being who can function out side the womb.... the reality is out out the pseudo emotional clap trap...if life cannot be self sustaining ie capable of breathing and feeding and is not fully formed with every thing where it should be and not even our medical advancements and achievements would not be able to sustain life or growth.. then it cannot rationally be called a baby in the true sense of the word so let me take a simle example to help you understsand...... the female body is the host body to the unborn [it isn't a child until such time as it is born after its full growing period ...and cannot live out side the womb with no medical interventions...... the fact that medical advances are such that premature births have with technology reasonable chances of survival [survival down to mans advances] and yes as a host to the unborn the mother has every right to decide whether to keep the unborn or not..she is the one it derives its growth from ... and absolutely men cannot get pregnant... but no woman ever god pregnant on her own....[cept Sarah and Mary who played around with Gabriel] so for every woman getting an abortion where is the male who impregnated her... .. and I would love all you anti abortionists to actually have an education and see some of the malformations... the genetic effects etc etc that women have produced because they were not allowed abortions which are kept away from the public eye ... even a week in a serious prem unit ... not all births are lov3ly cuddly babies.....people really should be made aware that there are times when abortion is better than life for all concerned I think though for the vast majority of abortions there are no medical issues, it is more a lifestyle choice.
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Post by kronks on Jun 2, 2018 1:55:24 GMT -5
Most death camps are atheist one's. You can argue atheists are animals I guess. Having a drink is not a crime and most do not kick folks heads in. I've yet to see an animal set up a hospital or do charitable deeds.
and I have yet to see a rational answer on the subject[any subject from you] if you are not aware of what goes on in our cities and towns well bully for you... you should read some police reports ... so its good Christians rolling around half dressed in the gutter.. figures Such things are rare, millions go out for a drink with no adverse affects, of course you will always get some isolated incident or two thrust into the headlines but it paints a false picture. "nothing bad happened" does not sell newspapers.
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Post by kronks on Jun 2, 2018 1:58:22 GMT -5
Most death camps are atheist one's. You can argue atheists are animals I guess. Having a drink is not a crime and most do not kick folks heads in. I've yet to see an animal set up a hospital or do charitable deeds.
]"""""Most death camps are atheist one's"""" really which country are you speaking about ? yet I can name a good few religious countries with camps and other organisation of horror so please back up your statement that most death camps are athiest Stalins Russia, Moa's China, Pol Pots Cambodia.
There is no "thou shalt not kill" in atheism, so it is hardly surprising.
If you do not believe in God you do not believe in the sanctity of human life.
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Post by kronks on Jun 2, 2018 2:21:08 GMT -5
no it is not, the baby will have different DNA to the mother. no it is not, the baby will have different DNA to the mother.Try reading my post again Why would you need a DNA test for a mother and/or baby? I can understand questions on paternity requiring a DNA test, but what you're saying is plain silly. You would only test a maternal case if the mother and baby were separated and identification were needed. Ie post adoption etc. Not likely to happen in cases of abortion, right? Duh. Point is the "my body" argument is invalid as it is not their body which is being aborted.
There would be far fewer abortions were that the case!
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