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Post by Sysop3 on May 27, 2018 8:18:14 GMT -5
In the US, abortion is as much politics as it is religion. To be aganst it is an important part of being a Republican. They call it pro-life.
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Post by mouse on May 27, 2018 9:19:31 GMT -5
In the US, abortion is as much politics as it is religion. To be aganst it is an important part of being a Republican. They call it pro-life. pro life.. anti personal freedom...I would love to look into the personal lives of many of the men who are anti abortion especially the wealthy ones and those in positions of paaower and authority .....I would love to find out how many affairs these men have had and when some girl hasd become pregnant what did they do... pay off or pay out for a quiet clinic some where scratch the surface and there would be many a hyporcrite revealesd whole point is if it wasn't for the hypocracy many abortions wouldn't have to take place...... afterall women do not rape them selves... girl children victims of incest do not get them selves pregnant ...and girls who get pregnant dont get pregnant all on their own ... it takes two to get pregnant.... but all too often its just one that pays the price.. the blatent hypocracy is rampant ... some will abuse abortion just as they abuse every thing else .. but they are not the majority of wopmen who have to take a very hard decision and then live with it for the rest of their lives .....decent women making a very hard choice should not be denied the right to make that choice ..... an
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Post by ladylinda on May 27, 2018 17:35:47 GMT -5
I disagree with abortion except where the mother's life is in danger or pregnancy comes about from rape or incest.
If (like me) you're a liberal and regard liberalism as based on the principles of mutually respected individual rights then to be against abortion in all circumstances is wrong but so it to support abortion on demand. The most fundamental individual right is the right to life and abortion denies that child's right to life.
But the Irish have been dominated by the Taigs and the Real Crowd for too long. Good to see that some sense of realism is finally creeping in. My only worry is that the new law may be too lax and not restrict it to the scenarios where I DO believe it's appropriate.
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Post by kronks on May 28, 2018 1:28:37 GMT -5
mouse ."the church wont like it...but then it isn't the church who has to pay the price is it " The church always preached," be fruitful and multiply', they want an ever-growing population because that is good for business, a declining population means that poverty will be on the horizon. Church and Business always went hand in hand the same as Church and Monarchy always went hand in hand. religion and poverty go hand in hand .... the better the standard of education and living the less effect the priests have and the church in Irekland shor its self in the foot... too many scandles
Not true It is also one of the richest nations in the world.
When you take out oil states and tax havens Ireland is the richest in the world, USA next!
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Post by kronks on May 28, 2018 1:31:30 GMT -5
Plenty of women oppose abortion, and the church view would be what was best for the unborn child. Is is somewhat disturbing to hear of people being "joyful" at taking human life.
any woman who apposes abortion is free not to have one... its and should be a matter of personal choicec based on personal circumstances .. no woman who has been raped should be forced to give birth to any child from that act of brutality... every child deserves to be wanted and no woman should be forced to travel to a foreign c0ountry to have abortions... taking human life... get a grip.... what do you think the killing of Savita Halappanvar was...it was taken a life.....on the edicts of men... men you know as little about abortion as you do of every thing else there was no joy at taking of human life.. there was joy that at last women would have the right to choose on matter which concern them and their bodies and only trhe most stupid and idiotic would think there was no abortion in S Ireland ... the back street abortionis do trade as do the do it yourself abortions via knitting needles.. jumping down stairs and hot baths and bottles of gin.. and all the rest of the dubiouis of methods.... mucg better and safer the have a safe claen medical proceedure
It is not a good idea, it basically says "inconvenient" life can be disposed of.
I wonder how many future prime ministers and leaders and other great people have been aborted?
Life should the first priority. All else is secondary.
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Post by fretslider on May 28, 2018 3:43:37 GMT -5
any woman who apposes abortion is free not to have one... its and should be a matter of personal choicec based on personal circumstances .. no woman who has been raped should be forced to give birth to any child from that act of brutality... every child deserves to be wanted and no woman should be forced to travel to a foreign c0ountry to have abortions... taking human life... get a grip.... what do you think the killing of Savita Halappanvar was...it was taken a life.....on the edicts of men... men you know as little about abortion as you do of every thing else there was no joy at taking of human life.. there was joy that at last women would have the right to choose on matter which concern them and their bodies and only trhe most stupid and idiotic would think there was no abortion in S Ireland ... the back street abortionis do trade as do the do it yourself abortions via knitting needles.. jumping down stairs and hot baths and bottles of gin.. and all the rest of the dubiouis of methods.... mucg better and safer the have a safe claen medical proceedure It is not a good idea, it basically says "inconvenient" life can be disposed of. I wonder how many future prime ministers and leaders and other great people have been aborted? Life should the first priority. All else is secondary.
How does your faith explain the benefits of infanticide? Is it in sacrifice? Keeping Yahweh/Allah appeased? Infanticide is a powerful tool in ensuring the survival of a species, researchers are increasingly finding.
Infanticide is an often overlooked way of ensuring the survival of the fittest. It has been recorded in a number of species including mammals such as rodents and primates, and fish, insects and amphibians. www.bbc.co.uk/nature/18035811Primate: A mammal of an order that includes the lemurs, bushbabies, tarsiers, marmosets, monkeys, apes, and humans.
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Post by mouse on May 28, 2018 3:45:33 GMT -5
""""Life should the first priority. All else is secondary.""""
and the mothers lif3e.... is she not entitled to life
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Post by mouse on May 28, 2018 4:24:52 GMT -5
I disagree with abortion except where the mother's life is in danger or pregnancy comes about from rape or incest. If (like me) you're a liberal and regard liberalism as based on the principles of mutually respected individual rights then to be against abortion in all circumstances is wrong but so it to support abortion on demand. The most fundamental individual right is the right to life and abortion denies that child's right to life. But the Irish have been dominated by the Taigs and the Real Crowd for too long. Good to see that some sense of realism is finally creeping in. My only worry is that the new law may be too lax and not restrict it to the scenarios where I DO believe it's appropriate. I think the same way Lin.... abortion wouldn't have been some thing I would have considered except in extreemis there will be those who abuse abortion but its not rational to punish the majority because of the stupidity of a minority .... who is the state/government to tell any one what they can and cannot do with their own body... between the church and governments Ireland has been very badly served in all the centuries past...I hope they now have a better and slightly more fair future and instead of having to travel to strangers unfortunate circumstance can be dealt with by their own.......
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Post by kronks on May 29, 2018 1:45:49 GMT -5
It is not a good idea, it basically says "inconvenient" life can be disposed of. I wonder how many future prime ministers and leaders and other great people have been aborted? Life should the first priority. All else is secondary.
How does your faith explain the benefits of infanticide? Is it in sacrifice? Keeping Yahweh/Allah appeased? Infanticide is a powerful tool in ensuring the survival of a species, researchers are increasingly finding.
Infanticide is an often overlooked way of ensuring the survival of the fittest. It has been recorded in a number of species including mammals such as rodents and primates, and fish, insects and amphibians. www.bbc.co.uk/nature/18035811Primate: A mammal of an order that includes the lemurs, bushbabies, tarsiers, marmosets, monkeys, apes, and humans.
Human are not animals, we do not live by animal standards.
The article is garbage, no animal kills aborts it's own babies bar "humans".
Even what you describe is not survival of the fittest and does not help the survival of the species, indeed it
works against that objective.
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Post by kronks on May 29, 2018 1:58:34 GMT -5
I disagree with abortion except where the mother's life is in danger or pregnancy comes about from rape or incest. If (like me) you're a liberal and regard liberalism as based on the principles of mutually respected individual rights then to be against abortion in all circumstances is wrong but so it to support abortion on demand. The most fundamental individual right is the right to life and abortion denies that child's right to life. But the Irish have been dominated by the Taigs and the Real Crowd for too long. Good to see that some sense of realism is finally creeping in. My only worry is that the new law may be too lax and not restrict it to the scenarios where I DO believe it's appropriate. I think the same way Lin.... abortion wouldn't have been some thing I would have considered except in extreemis there will be those who abuse abortion but its not rational to punish the majority because of the stupidity of a minority .... who is the state/government to tell any one what they can and cannot do with their own body... between the church and governments Ireland has been very badly served in all the centuries past...I hope they now have a better and slightly more fair future and instead of having to travel to strangers unfortunate circumstance can be dealt with by their own....... You can do what you like with your own body once the child is born.
Indeed if you want to kill yourself why not do it before get pregnant?
DNA tests will prove the unborn child is not the mother's body rather someone else's.
SO the "own body" argument is one big and obvious lie, isn't it?
In fact anyone who does not know where their own body ends and someone else's starts should be locked up in a secure unit.
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Post by mouse on May 29, 2018 4:18:57 GMT -5
I think the same way Lin.... abortion wouldn't have been some thing I would have considered except in extreemis there will be those who abuse abortion but its not rational to punish the majority because of the stupidity of a minority .... who is the state/government to tell any one what they can and cannot do with their own body... between the church and governments Ireland has been very badly served in all the centuries past...I hope they now have a better and slightly more fair future and instead of having to travel to strangers unfortunate circumstance can be dealt with by their own....... You can do what you like with your own body once the child is born. Indeed if you want to kill yourself why not do it before get pregnant? DNA tests will prove the unborn child is not the mother's body rather someone else's. SO the "own body" argument is one big and obvious lie, isn't it? In fact anyone who does not know where their own body ends and someone else's starts should be locked up in a secure unit.
what on earth are you burbling on about now......what has DNA got to do with any thing
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Post by mouse on May 29, 2018 4:21:30 GMT -5
How does your faith explain the benefits of infanticide? Is it in sacrifice? Keeping Yahweh/Allah appeased? Infanticide is a powerful tool in ensuring the survival of a species, researchers are increasingly finding.
Infanticide is an often overlooked way of ensuring the survival of the fittest. It has been recorded in a number of species including mammals such as rodents and primates, and fish, insects and amphibians. www.bbc.co.uk/nature/18035811Primate: A mammal of an order that includes the lemurs, bushbabies, tarsiers, marmosets, monkeys, apes, and humans. Human are not animals, we do not live by animal standards. The article is garbage, no animal kills aborts it's own babies bar "humans". Even what you describe is not survival of the fittest and does not help the survival of the species, indeed it
works against that objective.
survival of the fittest is the best wat to ensure a strong species.... watering the species down is not and never has been a good idea
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Post by fretslider on May 29, 2018 5:49:33 GMT -5
How does your faith explain the benefits of infanticide? Is it in sacrifice? Keeping Yahweh/Allah appeased? Infanticide is a powerful tool in ensuring the survival of a species, researchers are increasingly finding.
Infanticide is an often overlooked way of ensuring the survival of the fittest. It has been recorded in a number of species including mammals such as rodents and primates, and fish, insects and amphibians. www.bbc.co.uk/nature/18035811Primate: A mammal of an order that includes the lemurs, bushbabies, tarsiers, marmosets, monkeys, apes, and humans. Human are not animals, we do not live by animal standards. The article is garbage, no animal kills aborts it's own babies bar "humans". Even what you describe is not survival of the fittest and does not help the survival of the species, indeed it
works against that objective.
Human are not animals, we do not live by animal standards.Oh dear. Homo sapiens is the only extant human species and Homo sapiens is indeed an animal. In the kingdom of animalia, Homo sapiens is a Chordate, a Vertebrate, a Mammal and a Primate. Prove otherwise if you think you can. And that means more than just wot u fink.The article is garbage, no animal kills aborts it's own babies bar "humans".Really? How do you know that? Is it in the Qu'ran? Interestingly, no Muslim-majority country bans abortion. Fact. Ovicide is the analogous destruction of eggs. The practice has been observed in many species throughout the animal kingdom, especially primates (primate infanticide). Filial infanticide occurs when a parent kills its own offspring. This sometimes involves consumption of the young themselves, which is termed filial cannibalism. The behavior is widespread in fishes, and is seen in terrestrial animals as well. Human infanticide has been recorded in almost every culture. Have you not read Induction of abortion by oestrogens in animals? Obviously not. You probably never will.
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Post by fretslider on May 29, 2018 5:56:43 GMT -5
Human are not animals, we do not live by animal standards. The article is garbage, no animal kills aborts it's own babies bar "humans". Even what you describe is not survival of the fittest and does not help the survival of the species, indeed it
works against that objective.
survival of the fittest is the best wat to ensure a strong species.... watering the species down is not and never has been a good idea In the natural world, individuals like kronks would be selected for extinction.
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Post by fretslider on May 29, 2018 5:58:46 GMT -5
You can do what you like with your own body once the child is born. Indeed if you want to kill yourself why not do it before get pregnant? DNA tests will prove the unborn child is not the mother's body rather someone else's. SO the "own body" argument is one big and obvious lie, isn't it? In fact anyone who does not know where their own body ends and someone else's starts should be locked up in a secure unit.
what on earth are you burbling on about now......what has DNA got to do with any thing DNA tests will prove the unborn child is not the mother's body rather someone else's.Is there an award for being that insane? There should be.
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