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Post by fretslider on Jun 2, 2018 4:25:18 GMT -5
no it is not, the baby will have different DNA to the mother.Try reading my post again Why would you need a DNA test for a mother and/or baby? I can understand questions on paternity requiring a DNA test, but what you're saying is plain silly. You would only test a maternal case if the mother and baby were separated and identification were needed. Ie post adoption etc. Not likely to happen in cases of abortion, right? Duh. Point is the "my body" argument is invalid as it is not their body which is being aborted. There would be far fewer abortions were that the case!
Point is you get it wrong every time.
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Post by fretslider on Jun 2, 2018 4:26:56 GMT -5
]"""""Most death camps are atheist one's"""" really which country are you speaking about ? yet I can name a good few religious countries with camps and other organisation of horror so please back up your statement that most death camps are athiest Stalins Russia, Moa's China, Pol Pots Cambodia. There is no "thou shalt not kill" in atheism, so it is hardly surprising. If you do not believe in God you do not believe in the sanctity of human life.
Still getting confused on communism and socialism, eh. Ha ha ha ha
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Post by mouse on Jun 2, 2018 5:18:43 GMT -5
and I have yet to see a rational answer on the subject[any subject from you] if you are not aware of what goes on in our cities and towns well bully for you... you should read some police reports ... so its good Christians rolling around half dressed in the gutter.. figures Such things are rare, millions go out for a drink with no adverse affects, of course you will always get some isolated incident or two thrust into the headlines but it paints a false picture. "nothing bad happened" does not sell newspapers.
seen with own eyes
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Post by fretslider on Jun 2, 2018 5:24:42 GMT -5
]"""""Most death camps are atheist one's"""" really which country are you speaking about ? yet I can name a good few religious countries with camps and other organisation of horror so please back up your statement that most death camps are athiest Stalins Russia, Moa's China, Pol Pots Cambodia. There is no "thou shalt not kill" in atheism, so it is hardly surprising. If you do not believe in God you do not believe in the sanctity of human life.
no "thou shalt not kill" in atheismOn every level, a wholly ludicrous contention. One gets used to the old hackneyed stuff that the self-righteous piously religious zealots come out with. Others include... "I want to tell people about the virtues and benefits of my religion." Some days you claim to be Christian and on others you default back to islam. They're hardly the same. "I know from personal experience and prayer that God exists." How many times have we heard that old chestnut?! "Everyone worships something, whether it's money, power or God." An old favourite! Theists care just as much about those things which makes them polytheists. Oops. "The Bible says "Thou shalt not kill," I can't wait to hear the explanation for St Augustine's theory; Are you for or against? We've even had the hilarious The Bible says pi is 3The so-called sanctity of life is a myth, a human construct. In the Judeo Christian heritage life is treasured. In another faith death is definitely the more welcome guest. The simple fact is that we are, or should all be, equal under the laws that we elect representatives to make. The law forbids killing. End of.
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Post by mouse on Jun 2, 2018 5:27:58 GMT -5
I understand fully and far better than you.. given I am a woman and have produced three live births and undergone a miscarriage [not of my making] .... there is a time limit on how far in the pregnancy an abortion can be had and that time limit is based on a medical fact ... and that fact is that the baby is not a full being who can function out side the womb.... the reality is out out the pseudo emotional clap trap...if life cannot be self sustaining ie capable of breathing and feeding and is not fully formed with every thing where it should be and not even our medical advancements and achievements would not be able to sustain life or growth.. then it cannot rationally be called a baby in the true sense of the word so let me take a simle example to help you understsand...... the female body is the host body to the unborn [it isn't a child until such time as it is born after its full growing period ...and cannot live out side the womb with no medical interventions...... the fact that medical advances are such that premature births have with technology reasonable chances of survival [survival down to mans advances] and yes as a host to the unborn the mother has every right to decide whether to keep the unborn or not..she is the one it derives its growth from ... and absolutely men cannot get pregnant... but no woman ever god pregnant on her own....[cept Sarah and Mary who played around with Gabriel] so for every woman getting an abortion where is the male who impregnated her... .. and I would love all you anti abortionists to actually have an education and see some of the malformations... the genetic effects etc etc that women have produced because they were not allowed abortions which are kept away from the public eye ... even a week in a serious prem unit ... not all births are lov3ly cuddly babies.....people really should be made aware that there are times when abortion is better than life for all concerned I think though for the vast majority of abortions there are no medical issues, it is more a lifestyle choice. so you think it a life style choice.. and your proof is
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Post by mouse on Jun 2, 2018 5:41:55 GMT -5
]"""""Most death camps are atheist one's"""" really which country are you speaking about ? yet I can name a good few religious countries with camps and other organisation of horror so please back up your statement that most death camps are athiest Stalins Russia, Moa's China, Pol Pots Cambodia. There is no "thou shalt not kill" in atheism, so it is hardly surprising. If you do not believe in God you do not believe in the sanctity of human life.
I said I wanted proof...Cambodia is very much a religious country.. not your religion but religion non the less... so name the death camps of Cambodia and the death camps of China and the death camps of Russia ...I think you will find that what they had were actually work camps... rather than death camps.. where death ocured because of working and living conditions .. so death was secondry to work and punishment was the first aim...whereas with concentration death camps... death was actually the only intended out come when it comes to death camps the Christian UK and Christian Germany manage to set up some pretty notorious camps
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Post by mouse on Jun 2, 2018 5:53:13 GMT -5
no it is not, the baby will have different DNA to the mother.Try reading my post again Why would you need a DNA test for a mother and/or baby? I can understand questions on paternity requiring a DNA test, but what you're saying is plain silly. You would only test a maternal case if the mother and baby were separated and identification were needed. Ie post adoption etc. Not likely to happen in cases of abortion, right? Duh. Point is the "my body" argument is invalid as it is not their body which is being aborted. There would be far fewer abortions were that the case!
what don't you understand about biology... the mothers body is her body... her bo0dy is host to the unborn.. it is her body that feeds the unborn and the mothers health is used to sustain the unborn .....the two are separate... yet one is relient on the other .... so yes the mothers body is hers and hers alone ....until such time as the unborn reaches the stage of being fully able to live out side the womb without any medical intervention an abortion will take place long before there is a fully functioning being..... who can survive without medical aid.....
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Post by beth on Jun 2, 2018 7:35:10 GMT -5
I think though for the vast majority of abortions there are no medical issues, it is more a lifestyle choice. so you think it a life style choice.. and your proof is People do not have to prove opinions. If they state something they claim is a fact, it requires proof - but opinions are simply the way they see it. IMHO
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Post by mouse on Jun 2, 2018 7:48:10 GMT -5
no worries.. he is for ever making statements that are untrue so whats an opinion here and there so lets rephrase krionks stated his opnion as """I think though for the vast majority of abortions there are no medical issues, it is more a lifestyle choice"""" so how did you reached that opinion then kronks ?
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Post by kronks on Jun 3, 2018 1:22:49 GMT -5
Stalins Russia, Moa's China, Pol Pots Cambodia. There is no "thou shalt not kill" in atheism, so it is hardly surprising. If you do not believe in God you do not believe in the sanctity of human life.
no "thou shalt not kill" in atheismOn every level, a wholly ludicrous contention. One gets used to the old hackneyed stuff that the self-righteous piously religious zealots come out with. Others include... "I want to tell people about the virtues and benefits of my religion." Some days you claim to be Christian and on others you default back to islam. They're hardly the same. "I know from personal experience and prayer that God exists." How many times have we heard that old chestnut?! "Everyone worships something, whether it's money, power or God." An old favourite! Theists care just as much about those things which makes them polytheists. Oops. "The Bible says "Thou shalt not kill," I can't wait to hear the explanation for St Augustine's theory; Are you for or against? We've even had the hilarious The Bible says pi is 3The so-called sanctity of life is a myth, a human construct. In the Judeo Christian heritage life is treasured. In another faith death is definitely the more welcome guest. The simple fact is that we are, or should all be, equal under the laws that we elect representatives to make. The law forbids killing. End of.
Actually the bibles estimate of pi is remarkable accurate, to two or 3 decimal places.
The law may forbid killing but those who do not expect to be caught ignore the law, you can't ignore and all knowing God.
The more atheist a society is the less live if respected, those atheist regimes had little respect for human life.
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Post by kronks on Jun 3, 2018 1:26:02 GMT -5
no worries.. he is for ever making statements that are untrue so whats an opinion here and there so lets rephrase krionks stated his opnion as """I think though for the vast majority of abortions there are no medical issues, it is more a lifestyle choice"""" so how did you reached that opinion then kronks ?
Well there are nearly 200,000 abortions in the UK in 2016, 696,271 live births, nobody believe 2 in 9 pregnancies require abortion for medial reasons.
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Post by kronks on Jun 3, 2018 1:27:08 GMT -5
so you think it a life style choice.. and your proof is People do not have to prove opinions. If they state something they claim is a fact, it requires proof - but opinions are simply the way they see it. IMHO Well it is an opinion but I think my last post add significant proof.
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Post by kronks on Jun 3, 2018 1:42:33 GMT -5
Point is the "my body" argument is invalid as it is not their body which is being aborted. There would be far fewer abortions were that the case!
what don't you understand about biology... the mothers body is her body... her bo0dy is host to the unborn.. it is her body that feeds the unborn and the mothers health is used to sustain the unborn .....the two are separate... yet one is relient on the other .... so yes the mothers body is hers and hers alone ....until such time as the unborn reaches the stage of being fully able to live out side the womb without any medical intervention an abortion will take place long before there is a fully functioning being..... who can survive without medical aid.....
A new born baby cannot survive by itself however you are not allow to abandon it, you are required to intervene to preserve life.
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Post by kronks on Jun 3, 2018 1:45:13 GMT -5
Stalins Russia, Moa's China, Pol Pots Cambodia. There is no "thou shalt not kill" in atheism, so it is hardly surprising. If you do not believe in God you do not believe in the sanctity of human life.
I said I wanted proof...Cambodia is very much a religious country.. not your religion but religion non the less... so name the death camps of Cambodia and the death camps of China and the death camps of Russia ...I think you will find that what they had were actually work camps... rather than death camps.. where death ocured because of working and living conditions .. so death was secondry to work and punishment was the first aim...whereas with concentration death camps... death was actually the only intended out come when it comes to death camps the Christian UK and Christian Germany manage to set up some pretty notorious camps They are all marxist and of course marxism does not believe in religion and generally supresses the religious, jailing priests etc..or worse..
Yes work camps, worked to death! What is the difference!
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Post by mouse on Jun 3, 2018 3:59:18 GMT -5
no worries.. he is for ever making statements that are untrue so whats an opinion here and there so lets rephrase krionks stated his opnion as """I think though for the vast majority of abortions there are no medical issues, it is more a lifestyle choice"""" so how did you reached that opinion then kronks ? Well there are nearly 200,000 abortions in the UK in 2016, 696,271 live births, nobody believe 2 in 9 pregnancies require abortion for medial reasons.
and the breakdown of those abortions ?..... as I have said before in this thread there will be those who use abortion carelessly.. but that is no ones affair but theirs.. and regardless of that point punishing all women for the sake of one or two is really rather short sighted... any way the good news is .. the women of southern Ireland can now choose for therm selves and no longer have to trek over to the UK so rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrresulttttttttttttttttttttttt now all that is needed is for the male impregnators of Ireland to learn how to prevent a pregnancy and the young women of Ireland to use the morning after pill and the need for abortion would be lessened
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