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Post by mouse on May 26, 2018 4:48:42 GMT -5
didn't know where to put this.. because its not exactly politics and its not exactly gender www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ireland-on-course-to-vote-an-overwhelming-yes-in-abortion-referendum-two-exit-polls/ar-AAxOg8b?ociI hope its a yes... and the women of Ireland get to choose whether or not they wish to continue with an unwanted or unsafe pregnancy... for far too long the church and its male views have dominated the women of Ireland ... manu of whom had to come to the UK to either have their babies to be adopted or kept or to have terminations..... the church wont like it...but then it isn't the church who has to pay the price is it |
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Post by toby1 on May 26, 2018 6:51:51 GMT -5
Common sense will prevail, it's about time the sky-fairy myths were roundly debunked too !!
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Post by mouse on May 26, 2018 7:22:12 GMT -5
its a landslide yes.....from the independent
""""Simon Harris also reacted to the anticipated result: "I think the people of Ireland have voted with compassion to the fore of their mind, I'm so humbled to be their Health Minster today.
"We have faced up to reality that women are leaving our country every day to access terminations.
"As long as it remained in our constitution we were saying to woman 'take the plane of take the boat', now we're saying 'take our hand'."
Solidarity TD Paul Murphy has said today’s expected result is because of a “youth-quake” and a “gender-quake”. The Dublin South-West TD said the victory was been driven by young people and women.
The likely result will be delivered three years after the country voted to legalise same-sex marriage - another landmark moment in Ireland's tectonic drift from "social conservatism" to "progressive liberalism"."""
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Post by mouse on May 26, 2018 7:32:25 GMT -5
Common sense will prevail, it's about time the sky-fairy myths were roundly debunked too !! its time a church run by men stopped trying to imagine that they know what is best for women ... based on the norms of some two thousand years ago in a totally different culture.. this case undoubtedly had a part to play in the result...showing up the inhumanity of the Irish law www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/19/savita-halappanavar-abortion-midwifewww.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10119109/Irish-abortion-law-key-factor-in-death-of-Savita-Halappanavar-officithe Mail of course is running exactly the same story.. but knew if it was from the mail it would be disbelieved and it would be deemed as sensationalist or tittle tattle... none the less here is the mails report.. with photos showing the human side of why this vote was so important to Irish women .....and I can find no instances of exaggeration or untruths so fill yer boots and make your choices as we say... from the mail Tears of joy for Ireland's 'Yes' supporters after anti-abortion campaign CONCEDES defeat calling it 'a tragedy of historic proportions' as 'more than TWO THIRDS' vote to change strict law Irish went to the polls on Friday to vote on whether abortions should be legal with yes campaign set to win Save the Eighth campaign this morning conceded defeat in the vote and said it expects legislation to pass Eighth Amendment to constitution outlaws all abortions unless the health of the mother is at risk Ipsos/MRBI poll predicts 68 per cent of voters will back removing the amendment and overhauling law Tears of joy have been shed across Ireland today as supporters of abortion reform have won a landslide victory in a historic referendum. Voters cast their ballots yesterday on whether to overhaul the country's Eight Amendment which makes abortions illegal except in cases where it endangers a mother's life. But today anti-abortion campaign leaders conceded defeat in the vote after exit polls predicted almost 70 per cent said Yes to repealing the amendment. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5774183/Irish-PM-hails-expected-landslide-vote-legalise-abortion-counting-begins.html#ixzz5Gbz0RhLy Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
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Post by annaj26 on May 26, 2018 9:05:35 GMT -5
Common sense will prevail, it's about time the sky-fairy myths were roundly debunked too !! its time a church run by men stopped trying to imagine that they know what is best for women ... based on the norms of some two thousand years ago in a totally different culture.. this case undoubtedly had a part to play in the result...showing up the inhumanity of the Irish law www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/19/savita-halappanavar-abortion-midwifewww.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10119109/Irish-abortion-law-key-factor-in-death-of-Savita-Halappanavar-officithe Mail of course is running exactly the same story.. but knew if it was from the mail it would be disbelieved and it would be deemed as sensationalist or tittle tattle... none the less here is the mails report.. with photos showing the human side of why this vote was so important to Irish women .....and I can find no instances of exaggeration or untruths so fill yer boots and make your choices as we say... from the mail Tears of joy for Ireland's 'Yes' supporters after anti-abortion campaign CONCEDES defeat calling it 'a tragedy of historic proportions' as 'more than TWO THIRDS' vote to change strict law Irish went to the polls on Friday to vote on whether abortions should be legal with yes campaign set to win Save the Eighth campaign this morning conceded defeat in the vote and said it expects legislation to pass Eighth Amendment to constitution outlaws all abortions unless the health of the mother is at risk Ipsos/MRBI poll predicts 68 per cent of voters will back removing the amendment and overhauling law Tears of joy have been shed across Ireland today as supporters of abortion reform have won a landslide victory in a historic referendum. Voters cast their ballots yesterday on whether to overhaul the country's Eight Amendment which makes abortions illegal except in cases where it endangers a mother's life. But today anti-abortion campaign leaders conceded defeat in the vote after exit polls predicted almost 70 per cent said Yes to repealing the amendment. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5774183/Irish-PM-hails-expected-landslide-vote-legalise-abortion-counting-begins.html#ixzz5Gbz0RhLy Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook What I have against the Mail is not that they lie, but that they exaggerate and get so flowery and sometimes silly with the details. Our tabloids, which can NOT be trusted to be truthful, use the same style. I'm glad for the Irish women. It sounds like they are getting helped out of the pit we are about to get kicked back into. |
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Post by toby1 on May 26, 2018 15:49:14 GMT -5
mouse."the church wont like it...but then it isn't the church who has to pay the price is it " The church always preached," be fruitful and multiply', they want an ever-growing population because that is good for business, a declining population means that poverty will be on the horizon. Church and Business always went hand in hand the same as Church and Monarchy always went hand in hand.
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Post by kronks on May 27, 2018 1:21:25 GMT -5
didn't know where to put this.. because its not exactly politics and its not exactly gender www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ireland-on-course-to-vote-an-overwhelming-yes-in-abortion-referendum-two-exit-polls/ar-AAxOg8b?ociI hope its a yes... and the women of Ireland get to choose whether or not they wish to continue with an unwanted or unsafe pregnancy... for far too long the church and its male views have dominated the women of Ireland ... manu of whom had to come to the UK to either have their babies to be adopted or kept or to have terminations..... the church wont like it...but then it isn't the church who has to pay the price is it Babies are female as well as male so not sure how abortion is good for women.
It is about respecting vulnerable life though, and clearly it is not respected now same as in the UK.....
It's euthanasia, Hitler is still with us. Except there is no pain or suffering, just a healthy life.
What is wrong with having the child adoped if the mother does not want it?
If a little inconvience enough to justify terminating someone's life?
The Islamic view.
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Post by kronks on May 27, 2018 1:31:39 GMT -5
English law has some duplicity on the matter.
A tricky topic for the lawyers no doubt!
So basically it is a crime to kill an unborn child unless the mother wants you kill it.
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Post by kronks on May 27, 2018 1:35:59 GMT -5
Common sense will prevail, it's about time the sky-fairy myths were roundly debunked too !! its time a church run by men stopped trying to imagine that they know what is best for women ... based on the norms of some two thousand years ago in a totally different culture.. this case undoubtedly had a part to play in the result...showing up the inhumanity of the Irish law www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/19/savita-halappanavar-abortion-midwifewww.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10119109/Irish-abortion-law-key-factor-in-death-of-Savita-Halappanavar-officithe Mail of course is running exactly the same story.. but knew if it was from the mail it would be disbelieved and it would be deemed as sensationalist or tittle tattle... none the less here is the mails report.. with photos showing the human side of why this vote was so important to Irish women .....and I can find no instances of exaggeration or untruths so fill yer boots and make your choices as we say... from the mail Tears of joy for Ireland's 'Yes' supporters after anti-abortion campaign CONCEDES defeat calling it 'a tragedy of historic proportions' as 'more than TWO THIRDS' vote to change strict law Irish went to the polls on Friday to vote on whether abortions should be legal with yes campaign set to win Save the Eighth campaign this morning conceded defeat in the vote and said it expects legislation to pass Eighth Amendment to constitution outlaws all abortions unless the health of the mother is at risk Ipsos/MRBI poll predicts 68 per cent of voters will back removing the amendment and overhauling law Tears of joy have been shed across Ireland today as supporters of abortion reform have won a landslide victory in a historic referendum. Voters cast their ballots yesterday on whether to overhaul the country's Eight Amendment which makes abortions illegal except in cases where it endangers a mother's life. But today anti-abortion campaign leaders conceded defeat in the vote after exit polls predicted almost 70 per cent said Yes to repealing the amendment. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5774183/Irish-PM-hails-expected-landslide-vote-legalise-abortion-counting-begins.html#ixzz5Gbz0RhLy Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Plenty of women oppose abortion, and the church view would be what was best for the unborn child.
Is is somewhat disturbing to hear of people being "joyful" at taking human life.
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Post by mouse on May 27, 2018 3:43:52 GMT -5
mouse."the church wont like it...but then it isn't the church who has to pay the price is it " The church always preached," be fruitful and multiply', they want an ever-growing population because that is good for business, a declining population means that poverty will be on the horizon. Church and Business always went hand in hand the same as Church and Monarchy always went hand in hand. religion and poverty go hand in hand .... the better the standard of education and living the less effect the priests have and the church in Irekland shor its self in the foot... too many scandles |
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Post by mouse on May 27, 2018 3:54:17 GMT -5
its time a church run by men stopped trying to imagine that they know what is best for women ... based on the norms of some two thousand years ago in a totally different culture.. this case undoubtedly had a part to play in the result...showing up the inhumanity of the Irish law www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/19/savita-halappanavar-abortion-midwifewww.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10119109/Irish-abortion-law-key-factor-in-death-of-Savita-Halappanavar-officithe Mail of course is running exactly the same story.. but knew if it was from the mail it would be disbelieved and it would be deemed as sensationalist or tittle tattle... none the less here is the mails report.. with photos showing the human side of why this vote was so important to Irish women .....and I can find no instances of exaggeration or untruths so fill yer boots and make your choices as we say... from the mail Tears of joy for Ireland's 'Yes' supporters after anti-abortion campaign CONCEDES defeat calling it 'a tragedy of historic proportions' as 'more than TWO THIRDS' vote to change strict law Irish went to the polls on Friday to vote on whether abortions should be legal with yes campaign set to win Save the Eighth campaign this morning conceded defeat in the vote and said it expects legislation to pass Eighth Amendment to constitution outlaws all abortions unless the health of the mother is at risk Ipsos/MRBI poll predicts 68 per cent of voters will back removing the amendment and overhauling law Tears of joy have been shed across Ireland today as supporters of abortion reform have won a landslide victory in a historic referendum. Voters cast their ballots yesterday on whether to overhaul the country's Eight Amendment which makes abortions illegal except in cases where it endangers a mother's life. But today anti-abortion campaign leaders conceded defeat in the vote after exit polls predicted almost 70 per cent said Yes to repealing the amendment. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5774183/Irish-PM-hails-expected-landslide-vote-legalise-abortion-counting-begins.html#ixzz5Gbz0RhLy Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Plenty of women oppose abortion, and the church view would be what was best for the unborn child. Is is somewhat disturbing to hear of people being "joyful" at taking human life.
any woman who apposes abortion is free not to have one... its and should be a matter of personal choicec based on personal circumstances .. no woman who has been raped should be forced to give birth to any child from that act of brutality... every child deserves to be wanted and no woman should be forced to travel to a foreign c0ountry to have abortions... taking human life... get a grip.... what do you think the killing of Savita Halappanvar was...it was taken a life.....on the edicts of men... men you know as little about abortion as you do of every thing else there was no joy at taking of human life.. there was joy that at last women would have the right to choose on matter which concern them and their bodies and only trhe most stupid and idiotic would think there was no abortion in S Ireland ... the back street abortionis do trade as do the do it yourself abortions via knitting needles.. jumping down stairs and hot baths and bottles of gin.. and all the rest of the dubiouis of methods.... mucg better and safer the have a safe claen medical proceedure |
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Post by fretslider on May 27, 2018 4:11:28 GMT -5
didn't know where to put this.. because its not exactly politics and its not exactly gender www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ireland-on-course-to-vote-an-overwhelming-yes-in-abortion-referendum-two-exit-polls/ar-AAxOg8b?ociI hope its a yes... and the women of Ireland get to choose whether or not they wish to continue with an unwanted or unsafe pregnancy... for far too long the church and its male views have dominated the women of Ireland ... manu of whom had to come to the UK to either have their babies to be adopted or kept or to have terminations..... the church wont like it...but then it isn't the church who has to pay the price is it A resounding Yes, it seems. What puzzles me somewhat is the fact that although abortion was illegal, they have been able to buy the morning-after pill for three years or more. |
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Post by mouse on May 27, 2018 4:19:52 GMT -5
didn't know where to put this.. because its not exactly politics and its not exactly gender www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ireland-on-course-to-vote-an-overwhelming-yes-in-abortion-referendum-two-exit-polls/ar-AAxOg8b?ociI hope its a yes... and the women of Ireland get to choose whether or not they wish to continue with an unwanted or unsafe pregnancy... for far too long the church and its male views have dominated the women of Ireland ... manu of whom had to come to the UK to either have their babies to be adopted or kept or to have terminations..... the church wont like it...but then it isn't the church who has to pay the price is it A resounding Yes, it seems. What puzzles me somewhat is the fact that although abortion was illegal, they have been able to buy the morning-after pill for three years or more. but that's the hypocracy isn't it... just as it was known about the boat and plane and yes back street abortionists......its all religion based hypocracy..and the religion concerned was 1005 MALE DOMINATED... BUT TINES HAVE CHANGED |
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Post by fretslider on May 27, 2018 4:29:59 GMT -5
A resounding Yes, it seems. What puzzles me somewhat is the fact that although abortion was illegal, they have been able to buy the morning-after pill for three years or more. but that's the hypocracy isn't it... just as it was known about the boat and plane and yes back street abortionists......its all religion based hypocracy..and the religion concerned was 1005 MALE DOMINATED... BUT TINES HAVE CHANGED Times have changed. But the MA pill was a fairly easy way round it. I would bet it's a far cheaper option than a termination procedure. Far more private too. But it's silly not to have matching legislation on this in Europe. |
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Post by mouse on May 27, 2018 4:56:45 GMT -5
don't you think that there could be a certain amount of revolt in that vote.. and I also do think that the morning after pill has its place and is preffereable to a later abortion... but there have been the cases,, one of which I mentioned[Savita Halappanvar] which had a great effect on the Irish which the morning after would have had no effect on at all
with the abortion bill all roads are covered.. or at least I hope they are
hopfully the MA will be the main preventative... but now there is also another option for those who find them selves in really bad situations
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