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Post by fretslider on Oct 15, 2010 5:30:21 GMT -5
Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, the senior Muslim cleric in charge of Britain’s largest group of sharia law courts, has decreed that there is no such thing as rape within marriage.
What?
Sayeed said that sex without a wife’s consent was “not good” but it could not be called rape. Rape within marriage has been illegal in Britain since 1991. But according to Sayeed, rape is defined in Islamic law as adultery by force. Therefore, if a husband forces himself upon his wife the attack cannot be termed “rape”.
Sayeed, it should be remembered, demands that all Western/Christian men should not be allowed to see the face or body shape of his women, yet its ok for muslim husbands to rape them.
How many women here agree with Sayeed?
Does Beez, I wonder?
Dave Whatton, Chief Constable of Cheshire and spokesman on rape for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said most rapes were committed by someone known to or in a relationship with the victim. “It is a fundamental principle that sharia law should not replace the laws of the UK,” he said. “Putting out views that rape can be dealt with in another way fundamentally undermines everything we are trying to do.”
And that is exactly what they are trying to do. Islam cannot exist under our system of one law for all. Perhaps this outburst will destroy once and for all the foolish notion that opposition to the creeping islamification of Britain can only be motivated by bigotry and prejudice.
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Post by mouse on Oct 15, 2010 7:40:32 GMT -5
he said. “Putting out views that rape can be dealt with in another way fundamentally undermines everything we are trying to do.” And that is exactly what they are trying to do. Islam cannot exist under our system of one law for all. Perhaps this outburst will destroy once and for all the foolish notion that opposition to the creeping islamification of Britain can only be motivated by bigotry and prejudice. the whole of islamic jurisprudence is at odds with btitish law any one who thinks the two can live side by side is in some sort of denial and against the fundemental freedoms of our society has worked toward i never can understand why people who apear to be sane and reasonably rational keep wailing on about the rights of islam to exist....if it were simply a matter of beliefe in god i could understand...but its not...its all the crap that comes with it...even more amazingly some women cannot see what islam entails for them..their daughters etc etc and as some one who has been subject to rape within marriage i can say without fear of contradiction its can be as vile as rape out side of marriage......and the numbers of women who suffer this are untold and disregarded,,,and above all are mostly SILENT
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Post by beez0811 on Oct 15, 2010 8:36:15 GMT -5
There is such thing as rape in marriage. Relationship status doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2010 9:05:47 GMT -5
You don't have to be a woman to be against rape.
Plenty of men have been raped as well.
Anyone who tries to justify rape whoever the victim is - well, I'm afraid that words like 'speaking out of the back of their head' - I almost said another part of the anatomy - come to mind.
Why do people take any notice of what one clown says?
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Post by fretslider on Oct 15, 2010 10:09:16 GMT -5
You don't have to be a woman to be against rape. Plenty of men have been raped as well. Anyone who tries to justify rape whoever the victim is - well, I'm afraid that words like 'speaking out of the back of their head' - I almost said another part of the anatomy - come to mind. Why do people take any notice of what one clown says? ? I didn't mention gender, I mentioned the law - rape is against the law, period. This one clown is the senior Muslim cleric in charge of Britain’s largest group of sharia law courts. The faith you have sought to defend doesn't look that defensible now, does it.
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Post by sadie on Oct 15, 2010 11:25:56 GMT -5
Twits.......obviously they need to dropped in the middle of a planet of nothing but Amazon women......and then see how they feel about it.......
I know I know....no such thing.....but it would be fitting.
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Post by mouse on Oct 16, 2010 1:49:48 GMT -5
Why do people take any notice of what one clown says? he is in a position of power because he is deeemed worthy...he is a sheik..a leader of the comunity..and people listen to what he has to say.... """This one clown is the senior Muslim cleric in charge of Britain’s largest group of sharia law courts."""" this is where wooly thinking has brought us...this is liberalism brought to our doors......when liberalism opens the door and welcomes in iliberalism...but hey we must be diverse..we must respect other cultures...even when it comes back to bite us utter utter stupidity
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Post by fretslider on Oct 16, 2010 4:28:56 GMT -5
Why do people take any notice of what one clown says? he is in a position of power because he is deeemed worthy...he is a sheik..a leader of the comunity..and people listen to what he has to say.... """This one clown is the senior Muslim cleric in charge of Britain’s largest group of sharia law courts."""" this is where wooly thinking has brought us...this is liberalism brought to our doors......when liberalism opens the door and welcomes in iliberalism...but hey we must be diverse..we must respect other cultures...even when it comes back to bite us utter utter stupidity Its clear that Mike just doesn't get it, mouse. What will it take to open his eyes, I wonder?
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Post by mouse on Oct 16, 2010 5:07:18 GMT -5
i dont know what it will take to open eyes....or should i say minds..and let the daylight and the reality strike home....but eventuallly it will become clear exactly which road we have blundered into.....and it will not be a happy or a smooth road..especially for women freedom will have to be fought for all over again...and all so un-necessary... i think what really irks me is the fact that those who will have enabled this down grading of women and society will not be the ones paying the price,,they will not have to answer for their sheer blindness.... the very fact that this man can come out with this and NOT face a barrage of condemnation tells me we are pretty far down the road already...its later than we think ......evil thrives when good men do nothing...
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Post by aubrey on Oct 16, 2010 5:54:25 GMT -5
Considering that it's only 20 years ago that rape was legal in marriage under UK law, we don't have much to put on side about on this. And I should imagine that there are still plenty of non-muslim people who think that an anti rape in marriage law is political correctness gone mad.
I don't know why anyone's talking about Sharia Law, anyway. We don't have it. We won't have it.* Even in those places where some people have decided that they will have Sharia, UK law will still override it.
*That is, unless some crazy fundamentalists start a huge Holy war, and a Muslim side win. But they'd be welcome to it.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 16, 2010 6:37:44 GMT -5
Considering that it's only 20 years ago that rape was legal in marriage under UK law, we don't have much to put on side about on this. And I should imagine that there are still plenty of non-muslim people who think that an anti rape in marriage law is political correctness gone mad. I don't know why anyone's talking about Sharia Law, anyway. We don't have it. We won't have it.* Even in those places where some people have decided that they will have Sharia, UK law will still override it. *That is, unless some crazy fundamentalists start a huge Holy war, and a Muslim side win. But they'd be welcome to it. The point, aubrey, is we are moving forward - hence intra-marital rape is now a crime whereas it once was not. Islam is stuck in the 7th century and cannot move forward, and sharia is firmly fixed as "god's" laws which cannot be overridden by man made laws; ergo they cannot be changed, improved or anything else. The Archidiot of Canterbury says the adoption of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable". He told Radio 4's World at One that the UK has to "face up to the fact" . But he labours under the (Xian) mindset that you can pick and choose the bits you want and discard the rest. Islam does not work like that. Sharia has been operating here, in parallel to the British legal system, since 1982. Thus far it rules on individual cases, primarily in matters of Muslim personal or civil law: divorce, marriage, inheritance and settlement of dowry payments. Interestingly, people seeking a divorce, or talaq, must fill in a form and pay a fee. For a man it is £100; for women, it is £250 because the imams say it takes more work to process a woman's application as her word has to be corroborated. And remember, in matters of divorce under sharia, the right of ending a marriage lies with the man because 'women have emotions, whereas a man thinks first before he speaks'. In Britain, sharia courts are permitted to rule only in civil cases, such as divorce and financial disputes. Until 2008, these rulings depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims. But now, due to a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996, they are enforceable by county and high courts. So we do have aspects of it, aubrey, did you but know it. Sarfraz Sarwar, leader of the Basildon Islamic Centre, insists sharia should be adopted to address rising crime in Britain. 'The British legal system is fair, but it's also very sweet for criminals, Sharia is the ultimate deterrent. If you commit a crime and you're punished by sharia, you won't commit it again. Its safe to say that if you've been stoned to death you won't do it again. Anjem Choudary has said that under sharia law in Britain people who commit adultery would be stoned to death, adding that “anyone who becomes intoxicated by alcohol would be given 40 lashes in public”. People like Choudary cow so-called moderates in fear. Equality before the law for all, regardless of sex, race or religion, is one of Britain's enduring principles. Women's and gay rights are now firmly enshrined in our law - a law that has evolved over centuries to reflect the pluralist democracy Britain has become. But sharia is a law still rooted in the 7th Century; it sees modernity as the path to an immoral society. There is a conflict between these two sets of values, muslims believe their values are best. We British believe ours are better. But at the end of the day, understand this: muslims are never going to give up certain principles, even if they are in conflict. That is a fact. Islam and the western tradition are completely incompatible.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 16, 2010 6:48:29 GMT -5
i dont know what it will take to open eyes....or should i say minds..and let the daylight and the reality strike home....but eventuallly it will become clear exactly which road we have blundered into.....and it will not be a happy or a smooth road..especially for women freedom will have to be fought for all over again...and all so un-necessary... i think what really irks me is the fact that those who will have enabled this down grading of women and society will not be the ones paying the price,,they will not have to answer for their sheer blindness.... the very fact that this man can come out with this and NOT face a barrage of condemnation tells me we are pretty far down the road already...its later than we think ......evil thrives when good men do nothing... i dont know what it will take to open eyes....or should i say minds. 40 lashes?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 7:02:21 GMT -5
You don't have to be a woman to be against rape. Plenty of men have been raped as well. Anyone who tries to justify rape whoever the victim is - well, I'm afraid that words like 'speaking out of the back of their head' - I almost said another part of the anatomy - come to mind. Why do people take any notice of what one clown says? ? I didn't mention gender, I mentioned the law - rape is against the law, period. This one clown is the senior Muslim cleric in charge of Britain’s largest group of sharia law courts. The faith you have sought to defend doesn't look that defensible now, does it. Dear Fret I wish you would STOP trying to distort my position. I do NOT and never HAVE 'defended' Ialam or indeed any OTHER faith. I do however object strenously to prejudice and intolerance. This idiot IS prejudiced and intolerant. So are Islamophobes. It's ironic that nearly ALL the objections to Muslims are the SAME ones that were made to Jews a hundred years ago or even less. Many of them are STILL being recycled AS anti-Jewish ones in Russia where anti-Semitism is rife. Many incompetent or bad people get into positions of power and/or influence. This clown is simply yet one more. You are trying to tar ALL Muslims with the SAME brush and it is as irrational as claiming that, for instance, because MOST muggings are carried out by blacks that therefore MOST blacks are muggers. Please do NOT try to impute to me views which I do NOT hold and which I have NEVER held. Thank you.
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Post by mouse on Oct 16, 2010 7:04:17 GMT -5
Considering that it's only 20 years ago that rape was legal in marriage under UK law, we don't have much to put on side about on this. And I should imagine that there are still plenty of non-muslim people who think that an anti rape in marriage law is political correctness gone mad. I don't know why anyone's talking about Sharia Law, anyway. We don't have it. We won't have it.* Even in those places where some people have decided that they will have Sharia, UK law will still override it. *That is, unless some crazy fundamentalists start a huge Holy war, and a Muslim side win. But they'd be welcome to it. so we have only had ilegalisation on rape in marriage 20 yrs...so what???you cannot condone a set of behaviour just because we have only just recognised it as a crime...that is wooly backward thinking.... we have rape within marriage now as a crime..end of and its not up to some religious cult to try to gain say our laws...if they dont like it...then they should be told to niss off elswhere,,,not argue the toss there may be those who think rape in marriage is ok..but i doubt anyone puts it down to PC gone mad..the only people who think that way will be men little removed from the gutter thinking that men have rights over women..and the inadequate abusers of women,,,whose little bit of power comes within their own four walls as for sharia..well we do have it..mores the pity and what more it is spreading.. and belive me there will be nothing holy in the scrap to come...and come it will...because islam will not acomadate...for there is NO compromise in islam....its submission or dhimmini or total seperation.... but living in peace is for the fairies..cloud cukoo land....have you not taken note not only of history..but what is going on in indonesia..malya..vietnam...history repeating and repeating
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 7:05:38 GMT -5
Why do people take any notice of what one clown says? he is in a position of power because he is deeemed worthy...he is a sheik..a leader of the comunity..and people listen to what he has to say.... """This one clown is the senior Muslim cleric in charge of Britain’s largest group of sharia law courts."""" this is where wooly thinking has brought us...this is liberalism brought to our doors......when liberalism opens the door and welcomes in iliberalism...but hey we must be diverse..we must respect other cultures...even when it comes back to bite us utter utter stupidity This has got NOTHING to do with liberalism. Liberalism, with all its faults, tries to be tolerant, compassionate and on the side of freedom. Anti-liberalism always seem to be AGAINST tolerance, freedom and compassion. A world in which the anti-Muslims triumphed would be every bit as intolerable to a liberal conscience as a one in which Muslim fundamentalists came out on top. I wish people would stop trying to pretend that liberalism is something OTHER than what it is. In broad terms I consider myself a liberal of sorts and find the constant assumption that therefore I must be some sort of fool, monster or worse to be a position that is at best risible and at worst deeply frightening.
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