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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2010 11:03:39 GMT -5
popular disaproval in iran ...irak is not the entire islamic world..and there are other factors at play in iran...meanwhile they are waiting in the wings in pakistan..afghanistan yemen..syria..jordan...egypt..vietnam..indonesia..malaya etc etc etc one country does not make collapse inevitable any time soon I'm fascinated by the way you keep moving the goal-posts, Mouse. Maybe you should go into politics! One minute you claim that ALL Muslims are a monolithic bloc of terrorists, misogynists and religious fundamentalists; the next minute, when you're finally forced to confront the reality that the Muslim extremists ARE facing fierce opposition in some OF the more extreme countries you then try and wriggle out of it by claiming that the FACT of popular opposition does NOT (which it self-evidently DOES) disprove your previous claim. Either they are or they are not. It's known as the 'law of the excluded middle.;
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2010 11:11:12 GMT -5
And where are there not Christian fundamentalists waiting in the wings? Well, the USA for a start - there, they are out in force demonstrating against every liberal move since separation of Church and State in 1776. when chrisytian fundementals are killing all over the planet i shall start to complain...until then demonstrating in one country is not quite the same thing as activly murdering and causing mayhem world wide..... fail to see how demonstrating equals bombing night clubs,,acid attacks and derailing trains So you do NOT consider Christian fundamentalists bombing abortion clinics, murdering doctors, or the likes of McVeigh bombing Oklahoma City to be behaving in an unacceptable way, Mouse? Isn't selective indignation a wonderful thing?
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Post by mouse on Oct 20, 2010 14:22:21 GMT -5
popular disaproval in iran ...irak is not the entire islamic world..and there are other factors at play in iran...meanwhile they are waiting in the wings in pakistan..afghanistan yemen..syria..jordan...egypt..vietnam..indonesia..malaya etc etc etc one country does not make collapse inevitable any time soon I'm fascinated by the way you keep moving the goal-posts, Mouse. moved nothing..simply answering your refference to iran no goal posts were moved or hurt in this post
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Post by mouse on Oct 20, 2010 14:27:42 GMT -5
popular disaproval in iran ...irak is not the entire islamic world..and there are other factors at play in iran...meanwhile they are waiting in the wings in pakistan..afghanistan yemen..syria..jordan...egypt..vietnam..indonesia..malaya etc etc etc one country does not make collapse inevitable any time soon I'm fascinated by the way you keep moving the goal-posts, Mouse. Maybe you should go into politics! One minute you claim that ALL Muslims are a monolithic bloc of terrorists, misogynists and religious fundamentalists; the next minute, when you're finally forced to confront the reality that the Muslim extremists ARE facing fierce opposition in some OF the more extreme countries you then try and wriggle out of it by claiming that the FACT of popular opposition does NOT (which it self-evidently DOES) disprove your previous claim. i doubt i have ever said ALL muslims are terrorists...what i have said is that if you buy into the manifesto you/they are complicit in the enabling of terrorism the fierce opposition of some in iran is not to get rid of islam but to get rid of the ruling mullahs..and their system which in many instances puts the sha,s surveilence to shame..as does the brutality within the prison system...its the system they wish to change..not islam
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Post by mouse on Oct 20, 2010 14:40:32 GMT -5
when chrisytian fundementals are killing all over the planet i shall start to complain...until then demonstrating in one country is not quite the same thing as activly murdering and causing mayhem world wide..... fail to see how demonstrating equals bombing night clubs,,acid attacks and derailing trains So you do NOT consider Christian fundamentalists bombing abortion clinics, murdering doctors, or the likes of McVeigh bombing Oklahoma City to be behaving in an unacceptable way, Mouse? Isn't selective indignation a wonderful thing? no selective indignation..what americans do in their own country is their affair..if they wish to change the rules etc etc while i do not aprove or condone of their methods it is their country and if they wish to kill each other then its their problem the same way if the taliban wish to make the lives of their people a misery that is an afghani problem..ditto saudi...ditto pakistan i may coment..i may discuss..i may loathe but its up to the people of those countries to decide the way they are ruled/mismanaged and i will certainly object to giving them monies and or aid WHEN the americans come to europe and start bombing abortion clinics,,,trying and getting laws,,education etc changed to suit themselves..when these people start comming to my country and europe and start throwing their weight around and expect special favours i shall object. untill then i shall apose in any way i can those who have no loyalty and do not stand up and activly apose islam and its message of submission..violence and death and as this thread is NOT about christian fundementalists..but about an islamic sheik sending a message to the believers that to disobey uk law is fine and dandy.....christian fundementalists do not have a part to play
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Post by mouse on Oct 20, 2010 14:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 10:13:29 GMT -5
So you do NOT consider Christian fundamentalists bombing abortion clinics, murdering doctors, or the likes of McVeigh bombing Oklahoma City to be behaving in an unacceptable way, Mouse? Isn't selective indignation a wonderful thing? no selective indignation..what americans do in their own country is their affair..if they wish to change the rules etc etc while i do not aprove or condone of their methods it is their country and if they wish to kill each other then its their problem the same way if the taliban wish to make the lives of their people a misery that is an afghani problem..ditto saudi...ditto pakistan i may coment..i may discuss..i may loathe but its up to the people of those countries to decide the way they are ruled/mismanaged and i will certainly object to giving them monies and or aid WHEN the americans come to europe and start bombing abortion clinics,,,trying and getting laws,,education etc changed to suit themselves..when these people start comming to my country and europe and start throwing their weight around and expect special favours i shall object. untill then i shall apose in any way i can those who have no loyalty and do not stand up and activly apose islam and its message of submission..violence and death and as this thread is NOT about christian fundementalists..but about an islamic sheik sending a message to the believers that to disobey uk law is fine and dandy.....christian fundementalists do not have a part to play So you don't care if Christian fundamentalists murder people in America because of THEIR religious beliefs/sexual behaviour etc but you DO care if Muslim fundamentalists murder people in Muslim countries of because of THEIR religious beliefs/sexual behaviour? I'd say that was a pretty CLASSIC example of hypocrisy!
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Post by mouse on Oct 21, 2010 11:21:56 GMT -5
no selective indignation..what americans do in their own country is their affair..if they wish to change the rules etc etc while i do not aprove or condone of their methods it is their country and if they wish to kill each other then its their problem the same way if the taliban wish to make the lives of their people a misery that is an afghani problem..ditto saudi...ditto pakistan i may coment..i may discuss..i may loathe but its up to the people of those countries to decide the way they are ruled/mismanaged and i will certainly object to giving them monies and or aid WHEN the americans come to europe and start bombing abortion clinics,,,trying and getting laws,,education etc changed to suit themselves..when these people start comming to my country and europe and start throwing their weight around and expect special favours i shall object. untill then i shall apose in any way i can those who have no loyalty and do not stand up and activly apose islam and its message of submission..violence and death and as this thread is NOT about christian fundementalists..but about an islamic sheik sending a message to the believers that to disobey uk law is fine and dandy.....christian fundementalists do not have a part to play So you don't care if Christian fundamentalists murder people in America because of THEIR religious beliefs/sexual behaviour etc but you DO care if Muslim fundamentalists murder people in Muslim countries of because of THEIR religious beliefs/sexual behaviour? I'd say that was a pretty CLASSIC example of hypocrisy! ehhh ? i dont care if muslims murder each other....IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.. i care in so far its all stupid and a wicked waste of life...but if they wish to murder each other thats fine by me as long as they stay in their own countries and dont come into mine or the countries of others what they do in their countries is their affair...ditto for christian fundies in america...its up to the peoples of those countries to stop them.... nice try michael
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 10:40:52 GMT -5
So basically you don't have any problem with murder as long as it doesn't happen in your own back yard?
My God, I wish you'd been one of my students when I used to teach ethics.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 22, 2010 12:14:10 GMT -5
So basically you don't have any problem with murder as long as it doesn't happen in your own back yard? My God, I wish you'd been one of my students when I used to teach ethics. I'm glad I'm too old and wise to have been one of your students.
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 22, 2010 12:18:51 GMT -5
when chrisytian fundementals are killing all over the planet i shall start to complain...until then demonstrating in one country is not quite the same thing as activly murdering and causing mayhem world wide..... fail to see how demonstrating equals bombing night clubs,,acid attacks and derailing trains So you do NOT consider Christian fundamentalists bombing abortion clinics, murdering doctors, or the likes of McVeigh bombing Oklahoma City to be behaving in an unacceptable way, Mouse? Isn't selective indignation a wonderful thing? there is NO similarity between christian fundamentalists bombing abortion clinics and muslims bombing marketplaces. there is not an iota of bibical justification for the murder of abortion doctors, whereas the koran DEMANDS that all muslims murder every non muslim on earth. REALITY, once again. it is the terrorists who are true muslims, not those who try to pervert the teaching of the koran by claiming islam to be a religion of peace
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 22, 2010 12:23:12 GMT -5
So basically you don't have any problem with murder as long as it doesn't happen in your own back yard? My God, I wish you'd been one of my students when I used to teach ethics. I'm glad I'm too old and wise to have been one of your students. why? i would have loved to have mike as a professor. he is basically honest, and i think would have given the proper grade on a paper based on the merit of the paper rather than his disagreeing with everything written on it, as opposed to an economics professor that i did have, who constantly only gave me a C because he couldn't accept the fact that he was wrong
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Post by fretslider on Oct 22, 2010 12:26:05 GMT -5
I'm glad I'm too old and wise to have been one of your students. why? i would have loved to have mike as a professor. he is basically honest, and i think would have given the proper grade on a paper based on the merit of the paper rather than his disagreeing with everything written on it Think about it......
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Post by mouse on Oct 22, 2010 14:13:21 GMT -5
So basically you don't have any problem with murder as long as it doesn't happen in your own back yard? My God, I wish you'd been one of my students when I used to teach ethics. its not that i DONT have a problem with murder on religious grounds[or any other grounds]...its more i cannot do anything about it..and i am not the gaurdian of the world...nor is my country we cannot impose our mores/ethics on others....at the same time we must not let them impose theirs on us it is up to the various nations to alter their systems..it is up to the peoples of those nations to make their governments govern the way the people wish...and all those who are muslims will opt for islam...so on their heads be it..reform or live with it what i refuse to acept is that we have any responsibility to acept ANY PART their systems in our country...or have any responsibility towards those who would impose or try to inflict any part of those religious beliefes upon us so yes i can have ethics and principles and moral and still say to any one get your murderous viciousness out of my country you want to kill...go kill in your own country because i most certainly do not want your backward ideas in my country/my back yard.. as for being one of your students...i think sparks would have flown...and if fretty is too old to have been one of your students...i most certyainly am have you ever read any of canon peter greens work ??[theologion....just out of interest]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 15:43:37 GMT -5
So basically you don't have any problem with murder as long as it doesn't happen in your own back yard? My God, I wish you'd been one of my students when I used to teach ethics. its not that i DONT have a problem with murder on religious grounds[or any other grounds]...its more i cannot do anything about it..and i am not the gaurdian of the world...nor is my country we cannot impose our mores/ethics on others....at the same time we must not let them impose theirs on us it is up to the various nations to alter their systems..it is up to the peoples of those nations to make their governments govern the way the people wish...and all those who are muslims will opt for islam...so on their heads be it..reform or live with it what i refuse to acept is that we have any responsibility to acept ANY PART their systems in our country...or have any responsibility towards those who would impose or try to inflict any part of those religious beliefes upon us so yes i can have ethics and principles and moral and still say to any one get your murderous viciousness out of my country you want to kill...go kill in your own country because i most certainly do not want your backward ideas in my country/my back yard.. as for being one of your students...i think sparks would have flown...and if fretty is too old to have been one of your students...i most certyainly am have you ever read any of canon peter greens work ??[theologion....just out of interest] My sentiments exactly, Mouse. If Mike wants the world to be one big happy family, he has to do away with the nation-state as a political institution. Good freaking luck with that, Mikey. Anything short of that is a bunch of preachy, meaningless jawboning.
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