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Post by mouse on Oct 23, 2010 3:10:49 GMT -5
the world will never be holding hands and singing ""we are the world we are the people"" get rid of nation states tomorrow and there will still be angst....lordy some people even hate gingers for gawds sake ..or despise others for not having the right acent..others fight their neighbours we are human beings and i doubt if ever we will reach a state of compatability one with another...pie in the sky has a very hard crust
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Post by fretslider on Oct 23, 2010 5:25:09 GMT -5
The age of the (small) nation state is drawing to an end, but not as Mike would have it. When placed against the US, Russia, China, India etc smaller European states need an entity that has similar clout, ergo we have the EU. All around the world it is slowly beginning with ASEAN, OAU and others.
Not quite as Orwell foresaw it but the trend is there.
Cave - hut - settlement - fortified settlement - city state - nation state - superstate
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 23, 2010 11:40:00 GMT -5
world peace is not just unattainable, it is totally undesirable as long as there are two homo sapiens on the earth, it can never be achieved. the idea of world peace is stupid on its face patrick henry asked if peace is so sweet as to be purchased by the chains of slavery. obviously, the ONLY intelligent answer is a resound NO
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Post by fretslider on Oct 23, 2010 12:06:02 GMT -5
I agree world peace its unattainable, but you can't be serious when you say its undesirable, jumbo
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 23, 2010 12:44:33 GMT -5
I agree world peace its unattainable, but you can't be serious when you say its undesirable, jumbo of course i can. why would you want it? the ONLY way that there could ever be world peace is through subservience. do you want to bow down to slime such as the islamists in order to have peace?? how about kissing the lad in north korea's ass just so the world is peaceful. since there is NO other way of achieving world peace, only cowards and the very stupid would think that it is desirable i would refer you to the second line in my signature. that is the one immutable truth in this world, and about the only rational thing that mao ever said. the ONLY road to peace is the annihilation of the enemies of peace, but, there is a nutjob being born today that would disrupt the peace attained by eradicating all the trash in the world today
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Post by fretslider on Oct 23, 2010 13:52:43 GMT -5
I agree world peace its unattainable, but you can't be serious when you say its undesirable, jumbo of course i can. why would you want it? the ONLY way that there could ever be world peace is through subservience. do you want to bow down to slime such as the islamists in order to have peace?? how about kissing the lad in north korea's ass just so the world is peaceful. since there is NO other way of achieving world peace, only cowards and the very stupid would think that it is desirable i would refer you to the second line in my signature. that is the one immutable truth in this world, and about the only rational thing that mao ever said. the ONLY road to peace is the annihilation of the enemies of peace, but, there is a nutjob being born today that would disrupt the peace attained by eradicating all the trash in the world today Because I am homo superioris, I wish you were too. You really need to start thinking outside the box on this one. Peace is a relationship based on equality, that is why it is unattainable. I think you need to rethink the proposition through. The fact that it is unattainable does not of itself, mean it is undesirable. Dare to dream jumbo, can you do that?
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 23, 2010 14:31:48 GMT -5
of course i can. why would you want it? the ONLY way that there could ever be world peace is through subservience. do you want to bow down to slime such as the islamists in order to have peace?? how about kissing the lad in north korea's ass just so the world is peaceful. since there is NO other way of achieving world peace, only cowards and the very stupid would think that it is desirable i would refer you to the second line in my signature. that is the one immutable truth in this world, and about the only rational thing that mao ever said. the ONLY road to peace is the annihilation of the enemies of peace, but, there is a nutjob being born today that would disrupt the peace attained by eradicating all the trash in the world today Because I am homo superioris, I wish you were too. You really need to start thinking outside the box on this one. Peace is a relationship based on equality, that is why it is unattainable. I think you need to rethink the proposition through. The fact that it is unattainable does not of itself, mean it is undesirable. Dare to dream jumbo, can you do that? i do like fantasy, if a girl is involved. otherwise, i stick to reality. i told you why it is undesirable. do you wish to try to deny that i told you the only way it can be attained? as long as the reality is that you can only have peace if you choose to be a slave, i prefer to stay free and fight
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Post by fretslider on Oct 23, 2010 14:36:47 GMT -5
Because I am homo superioris, I wish you were too. You really need to start thinking outside the box on this one. Peace is a relationship based on equality, that is why it is unattainable. I think you need to rethink the proposition through. The fact that it is unattainable does not of itself, mean it is undesirable. Dare to dream jumbo, can you do that? i do like fantasy, if a girl is involved. otherwise, i stick to reality. i told you why it is undesirable. do you wish to try to deny that i told you the only way it can be attained? as long as the reality is that you can only have peace if you choose to be a slave, i prefer to stay free and fight I guess in in a backwater like Tennessee. you need a fantasy. As you are unable to think outside the box, maybe Mike can help you after all. I told you it is unattainable, but that doesn't mean its undesirable.
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 23, 2010 16:17:50 GMT -5
i do like fantasy, if a girl is involved. otherwise, i stick to reality. i told you why it is undesirable. do you wish to try to deny that i told you the only way it can be attained? as long as the reality is that you can only have peace if you choose to be a slave, i prefer to stay free and fight I guess in in a backwater like Tennessee. you need a fantasy. As you are unable to think outside the box, maybe Mike can help you after all. I told you it is unattainable, but that doesn't mean its undesirable. as i said, if you think that being a slave is so grand, world peace is obviously dersirable. since the two are synonyms, i will take freedom and war over peace with slavery any day
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Post by fretslider on Oct 23, 2010 16:26:29 GMT -5
I guess in in a backwater like Tennessee. you need a fantasy. As you are unable to think outside the box, maybe Mike can help you after all. I told you it is unattainable, but that doesn't mean its undesirable. as i said, if you think that being a slave is so grand, world peace is obviously dersirable. since the two are synonyms, i will take freedom and war over peace with slavery any day What do they teach you over there? That peace is slavery? Peace is tranquillity, serenity and contentment. Its an ideal. War is conflict, strife and bloodshed. You say peace comes from the barrel of a gun and, frankly, that's all we need to know about you.
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Post by Erasmus on Oct 23, 2010 20:03:14 GMT -5
It certainly explains the lack of alien contact. Given an infinite cosmos, there must be other cultures, some more advanced than us. If they have the interstellar contact necessary to reach here, then they have interstellar peace to operate it, that would look on even continental rivalries on a single planet as akin to Jonathon Swift's satire of Lilliput going to war over which end to crack an egg. Nearly 300 years ago, he had more sense than is still heard in our tribal gatherings!
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Post by mouse on Oct 24, 2010 4:59:55 GMT -5
peace may be forced in the first instance from the barrel of a gun....but peace isnt kept by war any more than peace is in any way slavery... peace is what we aspire to....cant see how you get to that conclusion
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Post by fretslider on Oct 24, 2010 5:22:01 GMT -5
peace may be forced in the first instance from the barrel of a gun....but peace isnt kept by war any more than peace is in any way slavery... peace is what we aspire to....cant see how you get to that conclusion I think Afghanistan is a case in point. The barrel of the gun has not brought peace and never will That is why it will in time be given back to the Taliban..... "Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar was released from Pakistani custody. Baradar has been meeting with Taliban commanders in Afghanistan and Pakistan, with security guarantees from both governments and the US. Four other Pakistan-based Taliban leaders supportive of Baradar are also thought to have been contact with US authorities, and are reported to have travelled into Afghanistan under Nato escort on several occasions. Petraeus, the commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, disclosed that Taliban figures had been granted safe passage to talks in Afghanistan. " Sometimes being right is no fun.
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