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Post by men an tol on Jan 11, 2018 20:38:45 GMT -5
You post as if this is some great revaluation, it isn't. During the 1960s and the 1970s there were a number of similar approaches. Many people tried them. Guess what, they didn't work. Guess what, a number of people who tried them destroyed their lives. It still comes down to you must believe to believe, and, none of it is provable in the temporal world. Even during the 1920s there was a version of this believing to believe. You want to believe, then do so. But don't expect others to also believe based on you unsubstantiated say so. Have fun with your living in the mystical world, but I'll suggest that others are too involved with fulfilling and satisfying real world lives than to be involved with the mystical pretend world. All I can say is: that you are lost !!! You keep talking about a mystical world as if it was a place, if it is a place, then it must exist despite your denial. It is all very peculiar, because your comrade in arms seems to think that spirituality exists and that is associated with mystery.!!! Can't you make up your mind? Scottish Lassie, this entire thing started because you made the posting that you could prove your beliefs in the temporal world. People wanted to see you do so although, including myself, many (most, all) doubted that you could do so. After, many postings you stated that you ‘could not’ prove the existence of this world you believe in. A world, to which we here have come to refer to, as a mystical world to differentiate it from the temporal world for the sake of conversation. Actually, emphasize ‘for the sake of conversation’ as it doesn’t really exist. Then you stated the most illogical assertion of all, that is, that we could not believe until we believed. That is the age-old working line of the con-man. You have stated that you do not badger people about your beliefs, may I suggest that telling people that they are ‘lost’ is a form of attempting to badger people, to try to make them seem less than they are. Personally, I don’t care, and you can refer to me any way that you wish. In my opinion, not that you should care what I think, you are lost in a world of make believe. You say to me that that I refer to a mystical world as if it were a place, well, in a way you’re right it is a place. A place that exists entirely in your mind. The reference that others make as to spirituality, if I may say so, is not the definition you create, and I suggest that as part of your badgering is not accepting the definition of others and demonstrates a closed mind. My mind and opinions of this have not changed at all. There is nothing new in what you offer as it has been around in one form or another, in many cultures and many times, but this relatively modern version is nearly a direct copy of Gnosis as found in the codices of Hag Nabi in the 1940s and used by Paul Twitchelle. I know that you do not accept that, but it is the reality.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 23:57:20 GMT -5
All I can say is: that you are lost !!! You keep talking about a mystical world as if it was a place, if it is a place, then it must exist despite your denial. It is all very peculiar, because your comrade in arms seems to think that spirituality exists and that is associated with mystery.!!! Can't you make up your mind? Scottish Lassie, this entire thing started because you made the posting that you could prove your beliefs in the temporal world. People wanted to see you do so although, including myself, many (most, all) doubted that you could do so. After, many postings you stated that you ‘could not’ prove the existence of this world you believe in. A world, to which we here have come to refer to, as a mystical world to differentiate it from the temporal world for the sake of conversation. Actually, emphasize ‘for the sake of conversation’ as it doesn’t really exist. Then you stated the most illogical assertion of all, that is, that we could not believe until we believed. That is the age-old working line of the con-man. You have stated that you do not badger people about your beliefs, may I suggest that telling people that they are ‘lost’ is a form of attempting to badger people, to try to make them seem less than they are. Personally, I don’t care, and you can refer to me any way that you wish. In my opinion, not that you should care what I think, you are lost in a world of make believe. You say to me that that I refer to a mystical world as if it were a place, well, in a way you’re right it is a place. A place that exists entirely in your mind. The reference that others make as to spirituality, if I may say so, is not the definition you create, and I suggest that as part of your badgering is not accepting the definition of others and demonstrates a closed mind. My mind and opinions of this have not changed at all. There is nothing new in what you offer as it has been around in one form or another, in many cultures and many times, but this relatively modern version is nearly a direct copy of Gnosis as found in the codices of Hag Nabi in the 1940s and used by Paul Twitchelle. I know that you do not accept that, but it is the reality. I believed that you were an intelligent person, but now I am beginning to question that impression. You are certainly not understanding what I am posting. I have explained all this before, so you either haven't read my relevant post or you are not as bright as I first thought. In order to give the evidence that you require, I posted a method of meditation that could help you receive that proof. Now you give me the excuse that it has been tried by others for years, but has not been successful up to the present time. I was forced to give you a reason why it might not prove successful and that is the complete truth. I don't for one moment think that you have tried that method yourself, if you have tried? then it stands to reason that you are not ready to meet the Master, and doubt that you ever will; so you are indeed lost.
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Post by men an tol on Jan 12, 2018 2:06:25 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, this entire thing started because you made the posting that you could prove your beliefs in the temporal world. People wanted to see you do so although, including myself, many (most, all) doubted that you could do so. After, many postings you stated that you ‘could not’ prove the existence of this world you believe in. A world, to which we here have come to refer to, as a mystical world to differentiate it from the temporal world for the sake of conversation. Actually, emphasize ‘for the sake of conversation’ as it doesn’t really exist. Then you stated the most illogical assertion of all, that is, that we could not believe until we believed. That is the age-old working line of the con-man. You have stated that you do not badger people about your beliefs, may I suggest that telling people that they are ‘lost’ is a form of attempting to badger people, to try to make them seem less than they are. Personally, I don’t care, and you can refer to me any way that you wish. In my opinion, not that you should care what I think, you are lost in a world of make believe. You say to me that that I refer to a mystical world as if it were a place, well, in a way you’re right it is a place. A place that exists entirely in your mind. The reference that others make as to spirituality, if I may say so, is not the definition you create, and I suggest that as part of your badgering is not accepting the definition of others and demonstrates a closed mind. My mind and opinions of this have not changed at all. There is nothing new in what you offer as it has been around in one form or another, in many cultures and many times, but this relatively modern version is nearly a direct copy of Gnosis as found in the codices of Hag Nabi in the 1940s and used by Paul Twitchelle. I know that you do not accept that, but it is the reality. I believed that you were an intelligent person, but now I am beginning to question that impression. You are certainly not understanding what I am posting. I have explained all this before, so you either haven't read my relevant post or you are not as bright as I first thought. In order to give the evidence that you require, I posted a method of meditation that could help you receive that proof. Now you give me the excuse that it has been tried by others for years, but has not been successful up to the present time. I was forced to give you a reason why it might not prove successful and that is the complete truth. I don't for one moment think that you have tried that method yourself, if you have tried? then it stands to reason that you are not ready to meet the Master, and doubt that you ever will; so you are indeed lost. Question to your heart’s content as your opinion is not relevant. And, if you want to use the con-man’s attempt to control the person you’re talking to by creating another myth of being lost, have at it. I understand exactly what you are posting, but I have the advantage of not believing what you are saying. The process you offer is not new and certainly not unknown and other than helping the user with meditation, it does nothing. First, it was you who said you could prove it in the temporal world. Not me and not any other asked you to prove anything in the temporal world, you offered that on you own. Now that you could not perform, it has changed to, ‘we others must do this for you, by believing so that we can believe.’ Not a bad ploy as if it now fails you can say that it is our fault as not performing. As I said there is nothing new here, various forms of this has been active for many years. I had two high school friends who got involved, one ended up in a mental institution and the other walked away from his wife to wander the Texas beaches on the gulf. What you are suggesting is not new and, it has never worked. All you have done is to prove that you have no ‘special relationship’ with anyone, mystical or not. All you have done is make what you profess, to appear more foolish.
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Post by mouse on Jan 12, 2018 5:43:57 GMT -5
if you don't want people to be critical stop the constant unwanted badgering ... and no he isn't twisting anything at all.. spirituality is not the preserve of people who have to pay to believe as has been mentioned we can all have and have had spiritual experiences with out all nonsence... infact I remember giving you an option to hear one of the most spiritual pieces of music a piece universally recognised as superb .. all you had to do was press on the link You seem to have some difficulty in recognising what spirituality is all about. It is not about feeling good, it is about Spirit, and Spirit is God.!!! yet you don't believe that God exists. God exists in the spiritual realms. Put on your thinking cap for goodness sake.!!! what ever you say.. easy to see you don't understand spirituality ...and spiritual moments ...you do not have to believe in some god to have these experiences.. and music is a known for for its powers
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Post by mouse on Jan 12, 2018 6:06:15 GMT -5
men said """ Here is an example of rejecting the real world to instead accept a mystical and unproven belief. One could wonder . . . . . . what is it that is apparently missing in some people that they need to replace reality with unproven and mystical events to fulfill their lives. Particularly when the real world, the temporal world, is so alive, so exciting, so full of provable things and events. I have never understood the need to makeup things not real to apparently make some one’s life worth living when the real world has more excitement, more surprises, more things than could ever be made up."" absolutely agree .. there is so much in the real world.... what is the pull of such as Nessie.. the Yeti etc.. is it escapism? or is it a need and why would anyone have such a need..... something has to be lacking all very strange There is definitely something lacking and that is your continued lack of trust in the veracity of the people who have seen unusual creatures and have reported it. This is what has become tiresome.!!! dream on... .. it was written the earth was flat it was said the moon was made of green cheese it was said there are little men on mars it is said where the rainbow ends is a pot of gold likewise leprechauns know where the gold is flying reindeer a great many things are said...many of them in jest others no more than fairy tales ...and just because some one says something it doesn't mean anything ... some thing isn't real until it is proven by one means or another ... and what other unusual creatures are you speaking about ?
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Post by mouse on Jan 12, 2018 6:17:36 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, this entire thing started because you made the posting that you could prove your beliefs in the temporal world. People wanted to see you do so although, including myself, many (most, all) doubted that you could do so. After, many postings you stated that you ‘could not’ prove the existence of this world you believe in. A world, to which we here have come to refer to, as a mystical world to differentiate it from the temporal world for the sake of conversation. Actually, emphasize ‘for the sake of conversation’ as it doesn’t really exist. Then you stated the most illogical assertion of all, that is, that we could not believe until we believed. That is the age-old working line of the con-man. You have stated that you do not badger people about your beliefs, may I suggest that telling people that they are ‘lost’ is a form of attempting to badger people, to try to make them seem less than they are. Personally, I don’t care, and you can refer to me any way that you wish. In my opinion, not that you should care what I think, you are lost in a world of make believe. You say to me that that I refer to a mystical world as if it were a place, well, in a way you’re right it is a place. A place that exists entirely in your mind. The reference that others make as to spirituality, if I may say so, is not the definition you create, and I suggest that as part of your badgering is not accepting the definition of others and demonstrates a closed mind. My mind and opinions of this have not changed at all. There is nothing new in what you offer as it has been around in one form or another, in many cultures and many times, but this relatively modern version is nearly a direct copy of Gnosis as found in the codices of Hag Nabi in the 1940s and used by Paul Twitchelle. I know that you do not accept that, but it is the reality. I believed that you were an intelligent person, but now I am beginning to question that impression. You are certainly not understanding what I am posting. I have explained all this before, so you either haven't read my relevant post or you are not as bright as I first thought. In order to give the evidence that you require, I posted a method of meditation that could help you receive that proof. Now you give me the excuse that it has been tried by others for years, but has not been successful up to the present time. I was forced to give you a reason why it might not prove successful and that is the complete truth. I don't for one moment think that you have tried that method yourself, if you have tried? then it stands to reason that you are not ready to meet the Master, and doubt that you ever will; so you are indeed lost. oh my word.. men your perfectly right this is real con phrasing ....classic control stuff.... with the inbuilt excuses and carrot and stick ....oh my word
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Post by fretslider on Jan 12, 2018 7:33:20 GMT -5
Broken record syndrome. A spot on diagnosis. It shouldn't have come to that because if an intelligent person finds something tiresome, they don't bother to reply, so what happened? I only answer the posts of people who reply to my posts. You had the choice of nipping it in the bud, then you wouldn't have been receiving tiresome information. Sounds logical to me.!!! Goodnight Vienna.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2018 10:59:24 GMT -5
I believed that you were an intelligent person, but now I am beginning to question that impression. You are certainly not understanding what I am posting. I have explained all this before, so you either haven't read my relevant post or you are not as bright as I first thought. In order to give the evidence that you require, I posted a method of meditation that could help you receive that proof. Now you give me the excuse that it has been tried by others for years, but has not been successful up to the present time. I was forced to give you a reason why it might not prove successful and that is the complete truth. I don't for one moment think that you have tried that method yourself, if you have tried? then it stands to reason that you are not ready to meet the Master, and doubt that you ever will; so you are indeed lost. Question to your heart’s content as your opinion is not relevant. And, if you want to use the con-man’s attempt to control the person you’re talking to by creating another myth of being lost, have at it. I understand exactly what you are posting, but I have the advantage of not believing what you are saying. The process you offer is not new and certainly not unknown and other than helping the user with meditation, it does nothing. First, it was you who said you could prove it in the temporal world. Not me and not any other asked you to prove anything in the temporal world, you offered that on you own. Now that you could not perform, it has changed to, ‘we others must do this for you, by believing so that we can believe.’ Not a bad ploy as if it now fails you can say that it is our fault as not performing. As I said there is nothing new here, various forms of this has been active for many years. I had two high school friends who got involved, one ended up in a mental institution and the other walked away from his wife to wander the Texas beaches on the gulf. What you are suggesting is not new and, it has never worked. All you have done is to prove that you have no ‘special relationship’ with anyone, mystical or not. All you have done is make what you profess, to appear more foolish. . You are becoming funnier by the hour, now I am a con artist trying to run your life besides all the other words ascribed to the person that I am. Talk about repetition, you take the cake for sure.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2018 11:06:42 GMT -5
I believed that you were an intelligent person, but now I am beginning to question that impression. You are certainly not understanding what I am posting. I have explained all this before, so you either haven't read my relevant post or you are not as bright as I first thought. In order to give the evidence that you require, I posted a method of meditation that could help you receive that proof. Now you give me the excuse that it has been tried by others for years, but has not been successful up to the present time. I was forced to give you a reason why it might not prove successful and that is the complete truth. I don't for one moment think that you have tried that method yourself, if you have tried? then it stands to reason that you are not ready to meet the Master, and doubt that you ever will; so you are indeed lost. oh my word.. men your perfectly right this is real con phrasing ....classic control stuff.... with the inbuilt excuses and carrot and stick ....oh my word You all have been repeatedly asking me to provide proof of my experiences, but as I have explainedso often, this cannot be done as it is an individual experience.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2018 11:11:22 GMT -5
It shouldn't have come to that because if an intelligent person finds something tiresome, they don't bother to reply, so what happened? I only answer the posts of people who reply to my posts. You had the choice of nipping it in the bud, then you wouldn't have been receiving tiresome information. Sounds logical to me.!!! Goodnight Vienna. Have it your way.!!! Aurevoir.
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Post by mouse on Jan 12, 2018 11:26:12 GMT -5
oh my word.. men your perfectly right this is real con phrasing ....classic control stuff.... with the inbuilt excuses and carrot and stick ....oh my word You all have been repeatedly asking me to provide proof of my experiences, but as I have explainedso often, this cannot be done as it is an individual experience. this isn't about your experiences but what you wrote ..and the words you used... what you have written is classic... with an excuse built in for a fail... as for your experiences well originally you did say you could prove them...now you realise you have no proof
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2018 18:06:16 GMT -5
You all have been repeatedly asking me to provide proof of my experiences, but as I have explained so often, this cannot be done as it is an individua l experience. this isn't about your experiences but what you wrote ..and the words you used... what you have written is classic... with an excuse built in for a fail... as for your experiences well originally you did say you could prove them...now you realise you have no proof Don't keep going on about it, it is becoming monotonous. I meant what I said.!!! but sometimes you need the co operation of others. No big deal.!!! PS: Have you tried meditating? I did send you the instructions as to how it could be done. You obviously spend a little time each day until something DOES occur. That is ofcourse if you are sincere and really want proof. I'm beginning to think that it is all a ruse and you are just texting for the sake of using up your spare time?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2018 18:32:06 GMT -5
There is definitely something lacking and that is your continued lack of trust in the veracity of the people who have seen unusual creatures and have reported it. This is what has become tiresome.!!! dream on... .. it was written the earth was flat it was said the moon was made of green cheese it was said there are little men on mars it is said where the rainbow ends is a pot of gold likewise leprechauns know where the gold is flying reindeer a great many things are said...many of them in jest others no more than fairy tales ...and just because some one says something it doesn't mean anything ... some thing isn't real until it is proven by one means or another ... and what other unusual creatures are you speaking about ? Perhaps Unicorns and fire breathing Dragons, I'm sure there are many more that you can think up.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2018 18:48:17 GMT -5
You seem to have some difficulty in recognising what spirituality is all about. It is not about feeling good, it is about Spirit,n and Spirit is God.!!! yet you don't believe that God exists. God exists in the spiritual realms. Put on your nthinking cap for goodness sake.!!! what ever you say.. easy to see you don't understand spirituality ...and spiritual moments ...you do not have to believe in some god to have these experiences.. and music is a known for for its powers A word is usuallly derived from something innately tangible so how could it mean a special moment if there isn't a specific association attached and believed. That is nonsense for sure.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2018 19:01:11 GMT -5
You seem to have some difficulty in recognising what spirituality is all about. It is not about feeling good, it is about Spirit, and Spirit is God.!!! yet you don't believe that God exists. God exists in the spiritual realms. Put on your thinking cap for goodness sake.!!! what ever you say.. easy to see you don't understand spirituality ...and spiritual moments ...you do not have to believe in some god to have these experiences.. and music is a known for for its powers A feeling of elation has nothing to do with spirituality. The word spirituality is derived from the fact that there are spiritual realms in existence.
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