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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 10, 2018 22:00:30 GMT -5
An excellent post Mouse. I suggest that the points you make go beyond this particular exchange and could be used to represent relationships across the world. Meaning that it often seems that insisting on truths and not simply accepting unproven assertions seems to be one of the major causes of disagreements that exists. The idea of a monster in Loch Ness is a good example. There are many anecdotal tales as to its existence. Some have been proven as misunderstandings, some are proven hoaxes, none have produced viable evidence in support of the existence of this animal. And yet. . . . . . . there are those who absolutely believe in its existence, and some believe it has been proven to exist. Some want it to exist so badly that they will accept anything as proof it exists. Here is an example of rejecting the real world to instead accept a mystical and unproven belief. One could wonder . . . . . . what is it that is apparently missing in some people that they need to replace reality with unproven and mystical events to fulfill their lives. Particularly when the real world, the temporal world, is so alive, so exciting, so full of provable things and events. I have never understood the need to makeup things not real to apparently make some one’s life worth living when the real world has more excitement, more surprises, more things than could ever be made up. Nobody is making up anything.!!! It is your refusal to accept the possibility of other dimensions that is causing the problem. My face screws up in unbelief that you don"t recognize that fact and are still as spiritually ignorant as you were before. All I do is shake my head when you post the same old reason that our life is so empty we have to make things up, you remind me of a broken record. PS: Yes.!!! the World is full of exciting surprises and one of them is that there is a spiritual world besides there being a temporal World. Open your eyes and your mind for goodness sake.!!!
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Post by men an tol on Jan 10, 2018 23:05:15 GMT -5
An excellent post Mouse. I suggest that the points you make go beyond this particular exchange and could be used to represent relationships across the world. Meaning that it often seems that insisting on truths and not simply accepting unproven assertions seems to be one of the major causes of disagreements that exists. The idea of a monster in Loch Ness is a good example. There are many anecdotal tales as to its existence. Some have been proven as misunderstandings, some are proven hoaxes, none have produced viable evidence in support of the existence of this animal. And yet. . . . . . . there are those who absolutely believe in its existence, and some believe it has been proven to exist. Some want it to exist so badly that they will accept anything as proof it exists. Here is an example of rejecting the real world to instead accept a mystical and unproven belief. One could wonder . . . . . . what is it that is apparently missing in some people that they need to replace reality with unproven and mystical events to fulfill their lives. Particularly when the real world, the temporal world, is so alive, so exciting, so full of provable things and events. I have never understood the need to makeup things not real to apparently make some one’s life worth living when the real world has more excitement, more surprises, more things than could ever be made up. Nobody is making up anything.!!! It is your refusal to accept the possibility of other dimensions that is causing the problem. My face screws up in unbelief that you don"t recognize that fact and are still as spiritually ignorant as you were before. All I do is shake my head when you post the same old reason that our life is so empty we have to make things up, you remind me of a broken record. PS: Yes.!!! the World is full of exciting surprises and one of them is that there is a spiritual world besides there being a temporal World. Open your eyes and your mind for goodness sake.!!! Yes the repetition is getting quite tiresome, but it is the continued mystical pretending that you do that is tiresome. As I and others have told you, go ahead and continue your mythical garbage. People are getting very tired of it, but please, continue to believe it. I don't reject the idea of other dimensions, but rather accept them as they have been meant to be accepted and that is through mathematics, not some game of lets pretend. After all of these months you have demonstrated no proof of anything. And then you lay the blame for that on us by saying that, "if we would only believe, then we could believe the proof." That is the most pathetic assertion of all. We have to join your make believe before we can believe.
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Post by mouse on Jan 11, 2018 4:20:24 GMT -5
men said """ Here is an example of rejecting the real world to instead accept a mystical and unproven belief. One could wonder . . . . . . what is it that is apparently missing in some people that they need to replace reality with unproven and mystical events to fulfill their lives. Particularly when the real world, the temporal world, is so alive, so exciting, so full of provable things and events. I have never understood the need to makeup things not real to apparently make some one’s life worth living when the real world has more excitement, more surprises, more things than could ever be made up.""
absolutely agree .. there is so much in the real world.... what is the pull of such as Nessie.. the Yeti etc.. is it escapism? or is it a need and why would anyone have such a need..... something has to be lacking all very strange
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Post by mouse on Jan 11, 2018 4:24:57 GMT -5
The Sahara is around 7 million years old. It isn't in Australia! People lived on the edge of the desert thousands of years ago since the end of the last glacial period. The Sahara was then a much wetter place than it is today.Over 30,000 petroglyphs of river animals such as crocodiles survive, with half found in the Tassili n'Ajjer in southeast Algeria. Fossils of dinosaurs, including Afrovenator, Jobaria and Ouranosaurus, have also been found there. It is written that people have seen Nessie coming ashore and stomping around, yet people don"t believe in its authenticity. it was written the earth was flat it was said the moon was made of green cheese it was said there are little men on mars it is said where the rainbow ends is a pot of gold likewise leprechauns know where the gold is a great many things are said...many of them in jest others no more than fairy tales ... most people realise their is a difference
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Post by mouse on Jan 11, 2018 4:45:40 GMT -5
I know for a fact that at least some of what is written in the Bible is true because I have experienced it myself when I was the centurion who guarded St. Paul when he was in prison, that is why I became a Christian. I was also at the place where the Oracle is supposed to be. All this happened in past lives. You and others ofcourse don't believe in reincarnation so you will never have that proof. All you have to do is believe that it is possible with sincerity or it doesn't work, Spirit cannot be fooled.!!! c. the Oracale was at Delphi[Greece] if you have been there you really ought to know... but of course you haven't been there you dreamed.. and dreams are not real time so to sugest you have visited Delphi is both misleading and untrue sl wrote """"when I was the centurion who guarded St. Paul when he was in prison, that is why I became a Christian"""".. err that conflicts with every thing you have written...you said you were a Prestprytarian which is Christian.. from being a child """"PS: I wouldn't disbelieve you if you told me that you had been conversing with an angel or the Archbishop, either is possible in my estimation""" wow you have no objection to being lied to.. infact you would rather people lie to you than they tell you the truth and you live in a land of make belief and fantacy...and yet several posters on here tell you truths and you disbelieve and yet your open to be conned [thank heaven you don't go on your computer.. it doesn't bear thinking about if you did] """"I know for a fact that at least some of what is written in the Bible is true""" that doesn't make one iota of sense .. the bible wasn't written in Pauls time and your average Roman soldier would not know a great deal about the Jewish Torah/old testament
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Post by fretslider on Jan 11, 2018 4:45:52 GMT -5
Nobody is making up anything.!!! It is your refusal to accept the possibility of other dimensions that is causing the problem. My face screws up in unbelief that you don"t recognize that fact and are still as spiritually ignorant as you were before. All I do is shake my head when you post the same old reason that our life is so empty we have to make things up, you remind me of a broken record. PS: Yes.!!! the World is full of exciting surprises and one of them is that there is a spiritual world besides there being a temporal World. Open your eyes and your mind for goodness sake.!!! Yes the repetition is getting quite tiresome, but it is the continued mystical pretending that you do that is tiresome. As I and others have told you, go ahead and continue your mythical garbage. People are getting very tired of it, but please, continue to believe it. I don't reject the idea of other dimensions, but rather accept them as they have been meant to be accepted and that is through mathematics, not some game of lets pretend. After all of these months you have demonstrated no proof of anything. And then you lay the blame for that on us by saying that, "if we would only believe, then we could believe the proof." That is the most pathetic assertion of all. We have to join your make believe before we can believe. Broken record syndrome. A spot on diagnosis.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 7:25:04 GMT -5
Nobody is making up anything.!!! It is your refusal to accept the possibility of other dimensions that is causing the problem. My face screws up in unbelief that you don"t recognize that fact and are still as spiritually ignorant as you were before. All I do is shake my head when you post the same old reason that our life is so empty we have to make things up, you remind me of a broken record. PS: Yes.!!! the World is full of exciting surprises and one of them is that there is a spiritual world besides there being a temporal World. Open your eyes and your mind for goodness sake.!!! Yes the repetition is getting quite tiresome, but it is the continued mystical pretending that you do that is tiresome. As I and others have told you, go ahead and continue your mythical garbage. People are getting very tired of it, but please, continue to believe it. I don't reject the idea of other dimensions, but rather accept them as they have been meant to be accepted and that is through mathematics, not some game of lets pretend. After all of these months you have demonstrated no proof of anything. And then you lay the blame for that on us by saying that, "if we would only believe, then we could believe the proof." That is the most pathetic assertion of all. We have to join your make believe before we can believe. You are twisting things again. I have said you will not know the truth of ECKANKAR unless you are a member. However there is a method where you may be ready to start your journey towards spirituality and I gave it out in a post, it has to do with contemplation (meditation) that will eventually give you the proof that you need. But all you do is beat about the bush and criticize.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 7:58:53 GMT -5
I know for a fact that at least some of what is written in the Bible is true because I have experienced it myself when I was the centurion who guarded St. Paul when he was in prison, that is why I became a Christian. I was also at the place where the Oracle is supposed to be. All this happened in past lives. You and others ofcourse don't believe in reincarnation so you will never have that proof. All you have to do is believe that it is possible with sincerity or it doesn't work, Spirit cannot be fooled.!!! c. the Oracale was at Delphi[Greece] if you have been there you really ought to know... but of course you haven't been there you dreamed.. and dreams are not real time so to sugest you have visited Delphi is both misleading and untrue sl wrote """"when I was the centurion who guarded St. Paul when he was in prison, that is why I became a Christian"""".. err that conflicts with every thing you have written...you said you were a Prestprytarian which is Christian.. from being a child """"PS: I wouldn't disbelieve you if you told me that you had been conversing with an angel or the Archbishop, either is possible in my estimation""" wow you have no objection to being lied to.. infact you would rather people lie to you than they tell you the truth and you live in a land of make belief and fantacy...and yet several posters on here tell you truths and you disbelieve and yet your open to be conned [thank heaven you don't go on your computer.. it doesn't bear thinking about if you did] """"I know for a fact that at least some of what is written in the Bible is true""" that doesn't make one iota of sense .. the bible wasn't written in Pauls time and your average Roman soldier would not know a great deal about the Jewish Torah/old testament You have absolutely no comprehension of what is possible. Ithought it was Delphi but wasn"t sure, so left it out. I do mind being lied to, but because I am an honest person myself I expect others to be the same. All I said was: that you COULD have been telling me the truth, because to me both statements are feasible. I first became a believer when I was a centurion and was given the duty of guarding Saul of Tarsus (Paul), He told me the things that had happened to him and I evidently believed him, so we both became a believer in Jesus. That was then, now I have been reincarnated into this present lifetime and born to Christian parents. Do you get it now?
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Post by mouse on Jan 11, 2018 8:48:50 GMT -5
Yes the repetition is getting quite tiresome, but it is the continued that you do that is tiresome. As I and others have told you, go ahead and continue your mythical garbage. People are getting very tired of it, but please, continue to believe it. I don't reject the idea of other dimensions, but rather accept them as they have been meant to be accepted and that is through mathematics, not some game of lets pretend. After all of these months you have demonstrated no proof of anything. And then you lay the blame for that on us by saying that, "if we would only believe, then we could believe the proof." That is the most pathetic assertion of all. We have to join your make believe before we can believe. You are twisting things again. I have said you will not know the truth of ECKANKAR unless you are a member. However there is a method where you may be ready to start your journey towards spirituality and I gave it out in a post, it has to do with contemplation (meditation) that will eventually give you the proof that you need. But all you do is beat about the bush and criticize. if you don't want people to be critical stop the constant unwanted badgering ... and no he isn't twisting anything at all.. spirituality is not the preserve of people who have to pay to believe as has been mentioned we can all have and have had spiritual experiences with out all nonsence... infact I remember giving you an option to hear one of the most spiritual pieces of music a piece universally recognised as superb .. all you had to do was press on the link
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Post by men an tol on Jan 11, 2018 9:57:25 GMT -5
Yes the repetition is getting quite tiresome, but it is the continued mystical pretending that you do that is tiresome. As I and others have told you, go ahead and continue your mythical garbage. People are getting very tired of it, but please, continue to believe it. I don't reject the idea of other dimensions, but rather accept them as they have been meant to be accepted and that is through mathematics, not some game of lets pretend. After all of these months you have demonstrated no proof of anything. And then you lay the blame for that on us by saying that, "if we would only believe, then we could believe the proof." That is the most pathetic assertion of all. We have to join your make believe before we can believe. You are twisting things again. I have said you will not know the truth of ECKANKAR unless you are a member. However there is a method where you may be ready to start your journey towards spirituality and I gave it out in a post, it has to do with contemplation (meditation) that will eventually give you the proof that you need. But all you do is beat about the bush and criticize. You post as if this is some great revaluation, it isn't. During the 1960s and the 1970s there were a number of similar approaches. Many people tried them. Guess what, they didn't work. Guess what, a number of people who tried them destroyed their lives. It still comes down to you must believe to believe, and, none of it is provable in the temporal world. Even during the 1920s there was a version of this believing to believe. You want to believe, then do so. But don't expect others to also believe based on you unsubstantiated say so. Have fun with your living in the mystical world, but I'll suggest that others are too involved with fulfilling and satisfying real world lives than to be involved with the mystical pretend world.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 17:57:31 GMT -5
You are twisting things again. I have said you will not know the truth of ECKANKAR unless you are a member. However there is a method where you may be ready to start your journey towards spirituality and I gave it out in a post, it has to do with contemplation (meditation) that will eventually give you the proof that you need. But all you do is beat about the bush and criticize. if you don't want people to be critical stop the constant unwanted badgering ... and no he isn't twisting anything at all.. spirituality is not the preserve of people who have to pay to believe as has been mentioned we can all have and have had spiritual experiences with out all nonsence... infact I remember giving you an option to hear one of the most spiritual pieces of music a piece universally recognised as superb .. all you had to do was press on the link You seem to have some difficulty in recognising what spirituality is all about. It is not about feeling good, it is about Spirit, and Spirit is God.!!! yet you don't believe that God exists. God exists in the spiritual realms. Put on your thinking cap for goodness sake.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 18:15:10 GMT -5
You are twisting things again. I have said you will not know the truth of ECKANKAR unless you are a member. However there is a method where you may be ready to start your journey towards spirituality and I gave it out in a post, it has to do with contemplation (meditation) that will eventually give you the proof that you need. But all you do is beat about the bush and criticize. You post as if this is some great revaluation, it isn't. During the 1960s and the 1970s there were a number of similar approaches. Many people tried them. Guess what, they didn't work. Guess what, a number of people who tried them destroyed their lives. It still comes down to you must believe to believe, and, none of it is provable in the temporal world. Even during the 1920s there was a version of this believing to believe. You want to believe, then do so. But don't expect others to also believe based on you unsubstantiated say so. Have fun with your living in the mystical world, but I'll suggest that others are too involved with fulfilling and satisfying real world lives than to be involved with the mystical pretend world. All I can say is: that you are lost !!! You keep talking about a mystical world as if it was a place, if it is a place, then it must exist despite your denial. It is all very peculiar, because your comrade in arms seems to think that spirituality exists and that is associated with mystery.!!! Can't you make up your mind?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 18:35:54 GMT -5
PS: Spirit makes no mistakes, as God knows everything from beginning to end, therefore knew that these people who failed to connect were never going to make the grade.
I've mentioned this before but it doesn't seem to have sunk in? When the pupil is ready, the Master will appear. This will apply under all circumstances and at all times. Trust me.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 18:57:13 GMT -5
Yes the repetition is getting quite tiresome, but it is the continued mystical pretending that you do that is tiresome. As I and others have told you, go ahead and continue your mythical garbage. People are getting very tired of it, but please, continue to believe it. I don't reject the idea of other dimensions, but rather accept them as they have been meant to be accepted and that is through mathematics, not some game of lets pretend. After all of these months you have demonstrated no proof of anything. And then you lay the blame for that on us by saying that, "if we would only believe, then we could believe the proof." That is the most pathetic assertion of all. We have to join your make believe before we can believe. Broken record syndrome. A spot on diagnosis. It shouldn't have come to that because if an intelligent person finds something tiresome, they don't bother to reply, so what happened? I only answer the posts of people who reply to my posts. You had the choice of nipping it in the bud, then you wouldn't have been receiving tiresome information. Sounds logical to me.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2018 19:13:39 GMT -5
men said """ Here is an example of rejecting the real world to instead accept a mystical and unproven belief. One could wonder . . . . . . what is it that is apparently missing in some people that they need to replace reality with unproven and mystical events to fulfill their lives. Particularly when the real world, the temporal world, is so alive, so exciting, so full of provable things and events. I have never understood the need to makeup things not real to apparently make some one’s life worth living when the real world has more excitement, more surprises, more things than could ever be made up."" absolutely agree .. there is so much in the real world.... what is the pull of such as Nessie.. the Yeti etc.. is it escapism? or is it a need and why would anyone have such a need..... something has to be lacking all very strange There is definitely something lacking and that is your continued lack of trust in the veracity of the people who have seen unusual creatures and have reported it. This is what has become tiresome.!!!
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