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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 7:31:46 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, did Isaiah hear God's voice himself or was this info passed on?
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Post by men an tol on May 17, 2017 12:14:22 GMT -5
It would seem that you have your own hidden agenda, who would have thought it? Now I truly know the true you. Not the kindly old man supposedly out to help people, but to instil fear, just so that you can hang on to being an Atheist not willing to admit that you have wasted your life being an Atheist. Scottish Lassie, I have no hidden agenda. I am simply a person who works from evidence, that is, a person who doesn’t work from belief. If others wish to fill their lives from beliefs, they will do so for whatever reason they find palatable. I have never hidden that the temporal world is the only world for which I see any evidence. Even so, I have asked for evidence of ‘other’ worlds from those (such as yourself) who say they believe in other worlds and say they can provide such evidence. However, never has any such proof been provided. In your case, you have waxed eloquently as to the truth and wonders of ECKANKAR, and have offered as proof what you determine as your personal experiences, but no proof that is acceptable in the temporal world. It may be that you are just not good at providing that proof. If that is so, the question must be asked, ‘are there others who have experience with ECKANKAR?’ It turns out that there are many who provide their experiences with ECKANKAR. It also turns out that there are many of such people who provide negative experiences with ECKANKAR. You provide access to ECKANKAR to support your assertions and expect such to be accepted, but when others provide access to those who demonstrate negative experiences you exhibit anger at those who provide such access, throwing out names and accusations that others of having venal hidden agendas. It seems that you wish to control who gets to explain just what ECKANKAR is. As an Atheist, all I have offered is that I make decisions based on evidence from the temporal world and have no faith in that which is purported to come from the non-temporal world. ECKANKAR, as near as I can see, has no evidence of validity in the temporal world. No one, and that includes myself, have any agenda to stop ECKANKAR, or to weaken your belief in it. That is entirely your own business. But it is you yourself who bring it to an open forum and sing its praises. If you believe that others will simply jump on your band wagon of belief, that is not being realistic. Nor is it realistic to accuse others of hidden agendas, such conspiracy theories are contrived all in your own head. Although I suspect you will deny it, from your many postings it appears that at best you dislike Christianity and attempt to diminish its validity by mis-quoting and going against many of the scholars who study Christianity, so from this it appears that ECKANKAR stands against other religions as well as Atheists. However, I admit that I could be wrong as I have only your postings from which to draw any conclusion. It seems (my guess now) that you want to have dialog with those who appreciate your comments about ECKANKAR and if that is true, then trying to find such discourse on an open site such as this one will be a near impossibility or at best frustrating. I suggest that you start a new thread to be only for those who believe in ECKANKAR and that way you can each support each other with no interference from others.
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Post by ladylinda on May 17, 2017 18:33:00 GMT -5
I was quoting you"" with his son by his side"" there will be no son by his side the Trinity is a three in one ..indivisible one from the other The 'Trinity'.... is clearly a case of multiple personality disorder. Perhaps someone should tell Wakefield Trinity!
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Post by ladylinda on May 17, 2017 18:33:49 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, did Isaiah hear God's voice himself or was this info passed on? Or neither?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 19:49:23 GMT -5
Men an tol... Men an tol... Men an tol, You are barking up the wrong tree in all counts. I love Christianity, Jesus is a man after my own heart. He came to set the people staight, that was His mission in life. I have just moved on.
There is more to the Bible than meets the eye and a lot of the things that happened to Jesus have been understood and experienced by ECKISTS that as far as I know, have not been experienced by any other denomination.
Jesus is purportedly said to have gone to India and preached there which is probably why they are grest believers in reincarnation. I know that it is true, from my own experiences.
In speaking about ECKANKAR I am just passing along information that I know from my experiences is true. Just for the simple reason that it is different from what most people think is the norm.Chatting about trivialities rather bores me so I'm not going to be talking in great depth about what I had for dinner etc. etc.
I do not get angry as you. have wrongly suggested, why should there be a need for that. We surely understand that people are going to have different viewpoints on all subjects, so it is inevitable that people will disagree. I am not a bit phased by that.
I do believe that you have an agenda which is not necessarily hidden from me. Why else would you want to warn a person of the so called pitfalls of ECKANKAR? the minute that he/she shows interest.
I am certainly nor buying the explsnations that you have proffered. Had you not had an agenda of your own you would have let the person find out for themselves by maybe directing them to the ECKANKAR organization.
Paul Twitchell was searching for spiritual answers which is what I also have been doing. I am forever grateful for his efforts, because when I discovered ECKANKAR it fully explained my experiences,
Most Christian Ministers can only tell you that it is a mystery and to just have faith. You are also warned that if you are a disbeliever in God or you stop believing for any reason, you will be DAMNED. We in ECKANKAR believe that spiritual growth can be stifled by the fixed attitude that we hold. We must first believe in God to start on our journey.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 21:01:44 GMT -5
Men an tol... Men an tol... Men an tol, You are barking up the wrong tree in all counts. I love Christianity, Jesus is a man after my own heart. He came to set the people staight, that was His mission in life. I have just moved on. There is more to the Bible than meets the eye and a lot of the things that happened to Jesus have been understood and experienced by ECKISTS that as far as I know, have not been experienced by any other denomination. Jesus is purportedly said to have gone to India and preached there which is probably why they are grest believers in reincarnation. I know that it is true, from my own experiences. In speaking about ECKANKAR I am just passing along information that I know from my experiences is true. Just for the simple reason that it is different from what most people think is the norm.Chatting about trivialities rather bores me so I'm not going to be talking in great depth about what I had for dinner etc. etc. I do not get angry as you. have wrongly suggested, why should there be a need for that. We surely understand that people are going to have different viewpoints on all subjects, so it is inevitable that people will disagree. I am not a bit phased by that. I do believe that you have an agenda which is not necessarily hidden from me. Why else would you want to warn a person of the so called pitfalls of ECKANKAR? the minute that he/she shows interest. I am certainly nor buying the explsnations that you have proffered. Had you not had an agenda of your own you would have let the person find out for themselves by maybe directing them to the ECKANKAR organization. Paul Twitchell was searching for spiritual answers which is what I also have been doing. I am forever grateful for his efforts, because when I discovered ECKANKAR it fully explained my experiences, Most Christian Ministers can only tell you that it is a mystery and to just have faith. You are also warned that if you are a disbeliever in God or you stop believing for any reason, you will be DAMNED. We in ECKANKAR believe that spiritual growth can be stifled by the fixed attitude that we hold. We must first believe in God to start on our journey. Your grasp of Jesus is miniscule...a five year old from a Christ centered church has more understanding than you display. Eckanker is a false religion and cult but I fear you have become unable to see or hear the truth as you are so brainwashed and caught up in your ego. Look at it this way....you are barreling down a road at 85mph but the bridge is washed out...it will be certain death if you don't heed the warnings but as much as I try to warn you, you ignore the warnings because you are programmed to block out truth. I will warn you no more.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 21:28:34 GMT -5
Men an tol... Men an tol... Men an tol, You are barking up the wrong tree in all counts. I love Christianity, Jesus is a man after my own heart. He came to set the people staight, that was His mission in life. I have just moved on. There is more to the Bible than meets the eye and a lot of the things that happened to Jesus have been understood and experienced by ECKISTS that as far as I know, have not been experienced by any other denomination. Jesus is purportedly said to have gone to India and preached there which is probably why they are grest believers in reincarnation. I know that it is true, from my own experiences. In speaking about ECKANKAR I am just passing along information that I know from my experiences is true. Just for the simple reason that it is different from what most people think is the norm.Chatting about trivialities rather bores me so I'm not going to be talking in great depth about what I had for dinner etc. etc. I do not get angry as you. have wrongly suggested, why should there be a need for that. We surely understand that people are going to have different viewpoints on all subjects, so it is inevitable that people will disagree. I am not a bit phased by that. I do believe that you have an agenda which is not necessarily hidden from me. Why else would you want to warn a person of the so called pitfalls of ECKANKAR? the minute that he/she shows interest. I am certainly nor buying the explsnations that you have proffered. Had you not had an agenda of your own you would have let the person find out for themselves by maybe directing them to the ECKANKAR organization. Paul Twitchell was searching for spiritual answers which is what I also have been doing. I am forever grateful for his efforts, because when I discovered ECKANKAR it fully explained my experiences, Most Christian Ministers can only tell you that it is a mystery and to just have faith. You are also warned that if you are a disbeliever in God or you stop believing for any reason, you will be DAMNED. We in ECKANKAR believe that spiritual growth can be stifled by the fixed attitude that we hold. We must first believe in God to start on our journey. Your grasp of Jesus is miniscule...a five year old from a Christ centered church has more understanding than you display. Eckanker is a false religion and cult but I fear you have become unable to see or hear the truth as you are so brainwashed and caught up in your ego. Look at it this way....you are barreling down a road at 85mph but the bridge is washed out...it will be certain death if you don't heed the warnings but as much as I try to warn you, you ignore the warnings because you are programmed to block out truth. I will warn you no more. Hi Chfmate51, what does it say in the Bible about the signs that will show who is the true believer? Please remind me, and in doing so, you will be reminding yourself. It is the signs that count. If they are not showing, then you are still in a lost state and are not adhering to what Jesus has stipulated from the beginning. Seek and You shall find. You don't seem to have found anything but the ability to accuse by telling people that they are DAMNED. It seems that everything you say about me is in fact describing yourself. No more to be said on that subject.!!!
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Post by men an tol on May 17, 2017 21:48:18 GMT -5
Men an tol... Men an tol... Men an tol, You are barking up the wrong tree in all counts. I love Christianity, Jesus is a man after my own heart. He came to set the people staight, that was His mission in life. I have just moved on. There is more to the Bible than meets the eye and a lot of the things that happened to Jesus have been understood and experienced by ECKISTS that as far as I know, have not been experienced by any other denomination. Jesus is purportedly said to have gone to India and preached there which is probably why they are grest believers in reincarnation. I know that it is true, from my own experiences. In speaking about ECKANKAR I am just passing along information that I know from my experiences is true. Just for the simple reason that it is different from what most people think is the norm.Chatting about trivialities rather bores me so I'm not going to be talking in great depth about what I had for dinner etc. etc. I do not get angry as you. have wrongly suggested, why should there be a need for that. We surely understand that people are going to have different viewpoints on all subjects, so it is inevitable that people will disagree. I am not a bit phased by that. I do believe that you have an agenda which is not necessarily hidden from me. Why else would you want to warn a person of the so called pitfalls of ECKANKAR? the minute that he/she shows interest. I am certainly nor buying the explsnations that you have proffered. Had you not had an agenda of your own you would have let the person find out for themselves by maybe directing them to the ECKANKAR organization. Paul Twitchell was searching for spiritual answers which is what I also have been doing. I am forever grateful for his efforts, because when I discovered ECKANKAR it fully explained my experiences, Most Christian Ministers can only tell you that it is a mystery and to just have faith. You are also warned that if you are a disbeliever in God or you stop believing for any reason, you will be DAMNED. We in ECKANKAR believe that spiritual growth can be stifled by the fixed attitude that we hold. We must first believe in God to start on our journey. Scottish Lassie, no matter how much others explain themselves to you, it is apparent that you believe that they are either lying, or speaking incorrect knowledge, or are just dumb. Others here can explain better than I, but my understanding of the Christian religion is that Jesus came to pay for the sins of man and teach that he is the singular way to God. People were left to make their own decisions rather than being ‘set straight.’ Here in your own words you apparently casually reject the words of Jesus by saying that you have, ‘just moved on’. There is no moving on, it is accept it or not. Again, here you go with making assertions without proof, what is there of being ‘more to the bible than meets the eye.’ Please feel free to expand on that comment. And yet more, what are the things that happened to Jesus that have also, and only, happened to ECKISTS? Referring to another myth of Jesus of his going to India to teach, please, feel free to point to a single recognized scholar of Christianity who supports this myth. Even so you have the myth wrong, they in India had the concept of reincarnation long before Jesus was ever born. And this myth of him going to India was put forth by some to explain some of the things he did, that is, he learned from those of India. However, there is no recognized scholar who has ever asserted that he went to India. Disagreeing is not a result of getting angry. However, such disagreement leading to name calling, saying and implying untrue things about other people are examples of a person becoming angry and verbally striking out and that represents some of your postings. You expect others to accept your descriptions of your personal experiences, and yet you do not accept the words of others here as being of truth. I have nothing to hide, including some hidden agenda, from anyone and certainly I don’t hide anything from you. I believe that people should have all the information they can get on any subject and that includes ECKANKAR. I haven’t warned anybody about anything but only offered on line access to others who have their experiences with ECKANKAR. You apparently want people to be informed only with part of what is available, rather than allow then to make up their own minds. Offering people to acquire full disclosure is only allowing them access to information, what they do with it is up to them. On the other hand you seem to want them to have only a narrow and specific view of ECKANKAR. I haven’t offered any thoughts as to what Paul Twitchell was trying to do. You have and here in this forum your thoughts about him stand alone. If you had read much of the beginnings of Scientology and ECKANKAR and the role of Paul Twitchell and following leaders, you know that I could have gotten far more specific about the truth of these enterprises. I haven’t done so, but I could and your saying untrue things about me makes me wonder if I should have jumped right in with all of the sources about ECKANKAR Your explanation about what Christian Ministers do and say (threaten the congregation) is absolute bull and have nothing to do with Christian theology. You have been told more than once here to adhere to your beliefs, no one is against that, however, your continued negativity and pushing it on to people is more than ample proof of the validity of ECKANKAR.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 22:28:21 GMT -5
WOW.!!! and WOW.!!! again Men an tol, I know exactly where you are coming from, I didn't study the book The Psychology of Human Behaviour not to know a thing or two about how a person can deceive themselves into thinking something that is not true. I think you are a master at it. But apart from that, God will not be scoffed no matter how a person tries by harrying those who love God. By the way, soft soaping, or buttering me up by platitudes has no hold over me. I have never been affected by flattery, though I do thank the person out of politeness, because I am aware that by wordly standards, they mean well. I do care about people, and I always will.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 22:51:50 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, More interesting is What ECKANKAR stands for. Mahantas go all the way back in time to the very first Mahanta. The human beings who served as the Mahanta in their time, are still alive in the spiritual realms. The more recent ones are still teaching, and ECKists today visit them in their Soul bodies. Members of ECKANKAR believe in God and follow the Holy Spirit, their spiritual leader the present Mahanta and Living ECK Master, is God's messenger. He is Sri Harold Klemp the wayshower.. In other words he is always in touch with all ECKists in the inner realms.ECKANKAR promotes the love of God.. Cults always end up the same. Try not to do a Jonestown or a Waco. Hi Fretslider, I don't remember if I answered this post or not, but I am answering it now. If people take the time to reply to a post they deserve an answer. Anyway I don't think there is any chance of what happened in Jonestown or Waco ever happening in regards to ECKANKAR as we already have access to the realms that constitute the realms of God via Soul Travel. Sorry to disappoint you.!!!
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Post by men an tol on May 17, 2017 23:34:39 GMT -5
WOW.!!! and WOW.!!! again Men an tol, I know exactly where you are coming from, I didn't study the book The Psychology of Human Behaviour not to know a thing or two about how a person can deceive themselves into thinking something that is not true. I think you are a master at it. But apart from that, God will not be scoffed no matter how a person tries by harrying those who love God. By the way, soft soaping, or buttering me up by platitudes has no hold over me. I have never been affected by flattery, though I do thank the person out of politeness, because I am aware that by wordly standards, they mean well. I do care about people, and I always will. Scottish Lassie, you continue to twist the words of others into what you want them to mean and the only reason I can understand you doing so is to try create the role of a victim for yourself. It is a near impossibility to carry on a conversation with you, so my involvement with this thread is ended.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 18, 2017 0:46:20 GMT -5
WOW.!!! and WOW.!!! again Men an tol, I know exactly where you are coming from, I didn't study the book The Psychology of Human Behaviour not to know a thing or two about how a person can deceive themselves into thinking something that is not true. I think you are a master at it. But apart from that, God will not be scoffed no matter how a person tries by harrying those who love God. By the way, soft soaping, or buttering me up by platitudes has no hold over me. I have never been affected by flattery, though I do thank the person out of politeness, because I am aware that by wordly standards, they mean well. I do care about people, and I always will. Scottish Lassie, you continue to twist the words of others into what you want them to mean and the only reason I can understand you doing so is to try create the role of a victim for yourself. It is a near impossibility to carry on a conversation with you, so my involvement with this thread is ended. Hi Men an tol, I was just thinking earlier, that if I don't enter the Soul plane on a permanent basis so that I don't have to return to this physical plane. My mission in the next life might be the same as what is happening now, and that is to keep trying to get my message across to Atheists that God does indeed exist, so you won't see the last of me yet. LOL
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Post by mouse on May 18, 2017 2:57:17 GMT -5
I will indeed think what ever I wish BUT and its a very large BUT I do not make any assumption...or alter the meanings of words any words...nor do I defame Christianity by wild assertions and of course its time to call it a day... but that is not my choice to make nor is it you choice to make .. if others wish to continue that is up to them Divine evolution ? divinity evolving into what.. and why numbered 1 2 3 Hi Mouse, do I have to spell it out? The experiences would take too long to type out in one go and to make it easier to follow, so that you are reading it as it is meant to be read. Not everyone takes notice of the date. what date
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Post by mouse on May 18, 2017 3:49:08 GMT -5
Oh dear. According to Eckankar, the Mahanta is a "living manifestation of God". It seems like kronks you've failed too. Atheists don't believe. I think you've been told this quite a few times now. Hi Fretslider, I thought that role was reserved for Jesus. Harold Klemp's title is: The Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, Sri Harold Klemp.c He is God's messenger and the religious Leader of ECKANKAR the Religion of Light and Sound. He guides all ECKists (members) towards their goal of spiritual evolvement whilst making their way back to the GodHead in order to be a Co-worker with God, in other words doing what it takes to help keep things running smoothly in whatever capacity is best for you. ""He is God's messenger""" WHO decided he was Gods messenger...God or Klemp and then theres this """way back to the GodHead in order to be a Co-worker with God""" WHY does God needs a co-worker or co- workers ? why does God need help from puny little humans ? afterall this is the God who created human kind and created the entire world .. this is the God who demolished an entire city[GOMORRA] over night ... [actually it was space debri falling to earth] so I think its all a rather pretentious load of old harry..
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Post by mouse on May 18, 2017 4:02:56 GMT -5
WOW.!!! and WOW.!!! again Men an tol, I know exactly where you are coming from, I didn't study the book The Psychology of Human Behaviour not to know a thing or two about how a person can deceive themselves into thinking something that is not true. I think you are a master at it. But apart from that, God will not be scoffed no matter how a person tries by harrying those who love God. By the way, soft soaping, or buttering me up by platitudes has no hold over me. I have never been affected by flattery, though I do thank the person out of politeness, because I am aware that by wordly standards, they mean well. I do care about people, and I always will. you studied a BOOK .. I don't think studying A BOOK is necessary to know that people can deceive them selves but I see nothing in Mens or most other peoples posts which would lead to thinking they can deceive or are deciving them selves.. let alone being masters of self deception .. with one exception and that one exception is you I also see no soft soaping or buttering up going on and certainly no flattering what so ever neither is there any harrying of those who love God all there is... is a thread on a message board where posts are made and replyed to....there is no harrying going om what so ever..
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