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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 22:01:34 GMT -5
It would seem that you have your own hidden agenda, who would have thought it? Now I truly know the true you. Not the kindly old man supposedly out to help people, but to instil fear, just so that you can hang on to being an Atheist not willing to admit that you have wasted your life being an Atheist. hang on... when if ever did Men say he was a kindly old man out to help people ? he didn't so why are you being personal and nasty toward him ? and how is he trying to instill fear ? and what hidden agenda ?could he possibly have all he has done is show the other side of the ECK.. THATS HARDLY AN UNKIND THING TO NOR IS IT INSTILLING FEAR.. afterall you constantly barrage us with information about ECK.. and Christians don't have a hissy fit if the crusades etc are mentioned ... and just how is atheism relevant ? SLwrote """just so that you can hang on to being an Atheist not willing to admit that you have wasted your life being an Atheist"" and whats all that supposed to mean wasted lives and hanging on the atheism....it doesn't make any sense at all no ones wasting their lives and no one is hanging on Hi Mouse, I am a member of the religion of Light and Sound, the two aspects of the Holy Spirit. I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit, so I have every right to speak for ECKANKAR. Why didn't Men an tol and Fretslider let these organisations speak for themselves if they so wish? NO.!!! They couldn't rush in quick enough in their efforts to sabotage what I had to say, the minute someone expressed an interest. If that doesn't suggest to you that they have a hidden agenda, you must be blind.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 22:10:28 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I never get angry.!!! Anger is when your blood pressure rises and your face and neck become red, my composure stayed the way it always does, CALM.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 22:18:10 GMT -5
Hi Mouse I'm not so sire about that. As I have noted.!!! To me reborn quite plainly means reincarnation, but in your estimation it is not how the scholars see it. I have let you know how it appears to me and my proof is through my personal experiences, you can't get any better proof than that. I have visited other planes of existence, whereas you have not and apparently neither have the scolars who decided what a certain word meant. There you have it.!!! do you actually know what a scholar is """To me reborn quite plainly means reincarnation""" it may do so to you .. have you never thought that you could be wrong and a huge number or others may be right to be reborn is to start anew.. a fresh start .. a new beginning ...NOT a physical rebirth Hi Mouse, it means that too, and apparently the scholars have chosen to interpret it that way. Though it is not nacessarily so. I Know it means reincarnation.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 22:18:34 GMT -5
hang on... when if ever did Men say he was a kindly old man out to help people ? he didn't so why are you being personal and nasty toward him ? and how is he trying to instill fear ? and what hidden agenda ?could he possibly have all he has done is show the other side of the ECK.. THATS HARDLY AN UNKIND THING TO NOR IS IT INSTILLING FEAR.. afterall you constantly barrage us with information about ECK.. and Christians don't have a hissy fit if the crusades etc are mentioned ... and just how is atheism relevant ? SLwrote """just so that you can hang on to being an Atheist not willing to admit that you have wasted your life being an Atheist"" and whats all that supposed to mean wasted lives and hanging on the atheism....it doesn't make any sense at all no ones wasting their lives and no one is hanging on Hi Mouse, I am a member of the religion of Light and Sound, the two aspects of the Holy Spirit. I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit, so I have every right to speak for ECKANKAR. Why didn't Men an tol and Fretslider let these organisations speak for themselves if they so wish? NO.!!! They couldn't rush in quick enough in their efforts to sabotage what I had to say, the minute someone expressed an interest. If that doesn't suggest to you that they have a hidden agenda, you must be blind. I see no hidden agenda on either Fret or Men's part...I, myself, have stated more than once that Eck is a false religion full of lies.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 0:14:04 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I am a member of the religion of Light and Sound, the two aspects of the Holy Spirit. I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit, so I have every right to speak for ECKANKAR. Why didn't Men an tol and Fretslider let these organisations speak for themselves if they so wish? NO.!!! They couldn't rush in quick enough in their efforts to sabotage what I had to say, the minute someone expressed an interest. If that doesn't suggest to you that they have a hidden agenda, you must be blind. I see no hidden agenda on either Fret or Men's part...I, myself, have stated more than once that Eck is a false religion full of lies. Hi Chefmate51, You have to be a member before you can say that it is false and for you to know the full truth. Do you really think that ordinary people in Christ's time knew what He knew? Ofcourse they didn't and neither did His Disciples. When Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah they were astounded, which they would not have been had they known about this possibility. They were still learning the ropes so to speak. Peter himself denied even knowing Jesus, so Jesus knew what he was dealing with in regards to His Disciples. You can read the Bible over and over but it won't necessarily make you any the wiser. Being on the outskirts of truth won't enlighten you one whit.. You have to be an insider to have a chance of ever gleaning the truth, and you are certainly not an ECKist as are any of the others who are posting lies about ECKANKAR.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 2:29:42 GMT -5
I see no hidden agenda on either Fret or Men's part...I, myself, have stated more than once that Eck is a false religion full of lies. Hi Chefmate51, You have to be a member before you can say that it is false and for you to know the full truth. Do you really think that ordinary people in Christ's time knew what He knew? Ofcourse they didn't and neither did His Disciples. When Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah they were astounded, which they would not have been had they known about this possibility. They were still learning the ropes so to speak. Peter himself denied even knowing Jesus, so Jesus knew what he was dealing with in regards to His Disciples. You can read the Bible over and over but it won't necessarily make you any the wiser. Being on the outskirts of truth won't enlighten you one whit.. You have to be an insider to have a chance of ever gleaning the truth, and you are certainly not an ECKist as are any of the others who are posting lies about ECKANKAR. You only deceive yourself...I don't have to be a member to know from what I've read online about Eckankar and your statements to know you are way in over your head and deceived by lies cleverly disguised as truth...the false teachers took a gallon of poison,added a ounce of truth, but it is still poison and killing your soul. Your pitiful attempts to use scripture to give credence to deceit is almost laughable if it weren't for the fact your beliefs are leading you to damnation.
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 2:36:02 GMT -5
hang on... when if ever did Men say he was a kindly old man out to help people ? he didn't so why are you being personal and nasty toward him ? and how is he trying to instill fear ? and what hidden agenda ?could he possibly have all he has done is show the other side of the ECK.. THATS HARDLY AN UNKIND THING TO NOR IS IT INSTILLING FEAR.. afterall you constantly barrage us with information about ECK.. and Christians don't have a hissy fit if the crusades etc are mentioned ... and just how is atheism relevant ? SLwrote """just so that you can hang on to being an Atheist not willing to admit that you have wasted your life being an Atheist"" and whats all that supposed to mean wasted lives and hanging on the atheism....it doesn't make any sense at all no ones wasting their lives and no one is hanging on Hi Mouse, I am a member of the religion of Light and Sound, the two aspects of the Holy Spirit. I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit, so I have every right to speak for ECKANKAR. Why didn't Men an tol and Fretslider let these organisations speak for themselves if they so wish? NO.!!! They couldn't rush in quick enough in their efforts to sabotage what I had to say, the minute someone expressed an interest. If that doesn't suggest to you that they have a hidden agenda, you must be blind. who expressed an interest in eck ...? you can speak for ECK as much as you wish and you continually do so... just because they do not accept ECK does not mean they either have an agenda or that they wish to sabotage .. all Men did was post the other side and other views of exk .. that is not sabotage and what agenda could they possibly have ? and as for rushing in quickly ...over 60 pages is hardly quickly SL wrote ""I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit"" but obviously not Christianity or the words of Christ as for wasting their lives by being athiests... you don't comprehend atheism at all .. its just a word trotted out without any understanding to be waved as a flag
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 2:40:45 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I never get angry.!!! Anger is when your blood pressure rises and your face and neck become red, my composure stayed the way it always does, CALM.!!! not necessarily .. my face and neck never go red when I am angry neither does my daughters or son2.. different people react different ways
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 3:02:18 GMT -5
Hi Chefmate51, You have to be a member before you can say that it is false and for you to know the full truth. Do you really think that ordinary people in Christ's time knew what He knew? Ofcourse they didn't and neither did His Disciples. When Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah they were astounded, which they would not have been had they known about this possibility. They were still learning the ropes so to speak. Peter himself denied even knowing Jesus, so Jesus knew what he was dealing with in regards to His Disciples. You can read the Bible over and over but it won't necessarily make you any the wiser. Being on the outskirts of truth won't enlighten you one whit.. You have to be an insider to have a chance of ever gleaning the truth, and you are certainly not an ECKist as are any of the others who are posting lies about ECKANKAR. You only deceive yourself...I don't have to be a member to know from what I've read online about Eckankar and your statements to know you are way in over your head and deceived by lies cleverly disguised as truth...the false teachers took a gallon of poison,added a ounce of truth, but it is still poison and killing your soul. Your pitiful attempts to use scripture to give credence to deceit is almost laughable if it weren't for the fact your beliefs are leading you to damnation. Hi Chefmate51, What are the fruits of the Spirit this is the proof that the person is genuine. It says that few will be able to find the straight and narrow path that will lead to the Kingdom of Heaven. Why does it say that, if the Bible is an open book as you seem to think it is. It tells people to seek and they shall find are you doing everything that Jesus stipulated. Have you been bitten by a venomous snake and recovered without treatment? have you been weak from lack of food during a fast and then found the energy coursing through your body like electricity? These are signs that the person is a child of God, who are you to say otherwise. You amaze me.!! You are just opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble. There is no truth to what you say. Here am I a Godly person and you are defending those who have no love for God whatsover, don't even believe that that God exists. Now I've heard everything.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 3:14:09 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I am a member of the religion of Light and Sound, the two aspects of the Holy Spirit. I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit, so I have every right to speak for ECKANKAR. Why didn't Men an tol and Fretslider let these organisations speak for themselves if they so wish? NO.!!! They couldn't rush in quick enough in their efforts to sabotage what I had to say, the minute someone expressed an interest. If that doesn't suggest to you that they have a hidden agenda, you must be blind. who expressed an interest in eck ...? you can speak for ECK as much as you wish and you continually do so... just because they do not accept ECK does not mean they either have an agenda or that they wish to sabotage .. all Men did was post the other side and other views of exk .. that is not sabotage and what agenda could they possibly have ? and as for rushing in quickly ...over 60 pages is hardly quickly SL wrote ""I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit"" but obviously not Christianity or the words of Christ as for wasting their lives by being athiests... you don't comprehend atheism at all .. its just a word trotted out without any understanding to be waved as a flag Hi Mouse, If Jesus is God and born of the Holy Spirit, then you believe in all even if you just mention one. Make up your mind. PS: the person expressed interest after reading Divine Evolution 2 that is not 60 pages.
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 3:23:54 GMT -5
do you actually know what a scholar is """To me reborn quite plainly means reincarnation""" it may do so to you .. have you never thought that you could be wrong and a huge number or others may be right to be reborn is to start anew.. a fresh start .. a new beginning ...NOT a physical rebirth Hi Mouse, it means that too, and apparently the scholars have chosen to interpret it that way. Though it is not nacessarily so. I Know it means reincarnation. scholars.. language experts have not chosen to interpretate any particular way.. all they can do is translate each word .. translation is NOT interpretation .. translation word by word from one language to another to make a readable and understandable piece of reading """I Know it means reincarnation"""" and you are quite quite wrong .. reincarnation and to be re born in the religious sence are two totally different things ...being born again is NOT a physical happening ...,,, again your altering the meanings of words to suit your self and its all very silly ...
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 3:32:14 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, it means that too, and apparently the scholars have chosen to interpret it that way. Though it is not nacessarily so. I Know it means reincarnation. scholars.. language experts have not chosen to interpretate any particular way.. all they can do is translate each word .. translation is NOT interpretation .. translation word by word from one language to another to make a readable and understandable piece of reading """I Know it means reincarnation"""" and you are quite quite wrong .. reincarnation and to be re born in the religious sence are two totally different things ...being born again is NOT a physical happening ...,,, again your altering the meanings of words to suit your self and its all very silly ... Hi Mouse, my word is as good as yours any day. I have seen it myself. Scholars debating the exact meaning of a word before it is included in any piece of literature or whatever.
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 3:37:38 GMT -5
who expressed an interest in eck ...? you can speak for ECK as much as you wish and you continually do so... just because they do not accept ECK does not mean they either have an agenda or that they wish to sabotage .. all Men did was post the other side and other views of exk .. that is not sabotage and what agenda could they possibly have ? and as for rushing in quickly ...over 60 pages is hardly quickly SL wrote ""I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit"" but obviously not Christianity or the words of Christ as for wasting their lives by being athiests... you don't comprehend atheism at all .. its just a word trotted out without any understanding to be waved as a flag Hi Mouse, If Jesus is God and born of the Holy Spirit, then you believe in all even if you just mention one. Make up your mind. PS: the person expressed interest after reading Divine Evolution 2 that is not 60 pages. who is that person person ? I am not a follower so I don't HAVE to do anything.. or make my mind up about anything ...but I do know enough to realise when Christianity is being used falsly SL wrote "" If Jesus is God and born of the Holy Spirit, then you believe in all even if you just mention one""" what is that supposed to mean ? talk about abusing language and making it up as you go along.. mind bending
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 3:43:11 GMT -5
Of course, as an Atheist I guess I don’t have an oar in the water here. That said, I do have an interest because religion (whether I like it or not) has been a major player in the development and evolution of cultures. There is little doubt that there have been some philosophers (including religious philosophers) who have contributed in significant ways to the evolution of, and the describing of, our Western culture. It is also true that Christianity has a necessary element that doesn’t exist in many other religions and cultures, that is, the free will of the individual to choose. That choice can be right or it can be wrong, but that is a goal of Western culture and an element necessary to being a Christian. This freedom is rejected by most religions and most cults, and, rejected by most cultures. As Fret noted, cults are oriented to personality. As typically occurs, dialog will degenerate into the mouthing of platitudes and meaningless bromides supported by attacking the persons on the other side. The dialog degenerates when one side or the other, or both, come to the realization that they are standing in a dry well of ideas. Cults emerge from the personality of an individual and are not supported by long years of in depth philosophical positions. Those who come to follow that leader must, repeat, must, follow the directions of that leader. We have to face it that there are untold numbers of individuals who try to take Christianity in a new direction, one that promotes that person as the new way to find salvation. However, Christianity rests on the singular core rule, “Believe in me I am the way.” """"Christianity rests on the singular core rule, “Believe in me I am the way.”""" exactly... its as simple a message as it can get ,.,.,.no going through various levels etc etc
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 3:55:20 GMT -5
I see no hidden agenda on either Fret or Men's part...I, myself, have stated more than once that Eck is a false religion full of lies. Hi Chefmate51, You have to be a member before you can say that it is false and for you to know the full truth. Do you really think that ordinary people in Christ's time knew what He knew? Ofcourse they didn't and neither did His Disciples. When Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah they were astounded, which they would not have been had they known about this possibility. They were still learning the ropes so to speak. Peter himself denied even knowing Jesus, so Jesus knew what he was dealing with in regards to His Disciples. You can read the Bible over and over but it won't necessarily make you any the wiser. Being on the outskirts of truth won't enlighten you one whit.. You have to be an insider to have a chance of ever gleaning the truth, and you are certainly not an ECKist as are any of the others who are posting lies about ECKANKAR. SL wrote """ You have to be a member before """ those few words indicate the eck is NOTHING to do with Christianity when did Christ talk about memebership he didn't SL wrote ""You have to be an insider to have a chance of ever gleaning the truth,"" another proof positive that eck is nothing to do with Christianity what lies have been posted about ECK... none what so ever..Men posted some views about eck.. but not lies ..so any thing you don't approve of is lies.. that's a conveinient get out ...as is altering the meanings of words to suit your personal agenda and falsly claiming that eck has any compatability with Christianity
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