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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 4:03:26 GMT -5
scholars.. language experts have not chosen to interpretate any particular way.. all they can do is translate each word .. translation is NOT interpretation .. translation word by word from one language to another to make a readable and understandable piece of reading """I Know it means reincarnation"""" and you are quite quite wrong .. reincarnation and to be re born in the religious sence are two totally different things ...being born again is NOT a physical happening ...,,, again your altering the meanings of words to suit your self and its all very silly ... Hi Mouse, my word is as good as yours any day. I have seen it myself. Scholars debating the exact meaning of a word before it is included in any piece of literature or whatever. actually your word isn't as good as mine.. altering the meanings of words to suit your self is quite dishonest as for scholars debating of course linguists will debate the exact meaning of a word as they have no desire to falsify words or their meanings .. especially when dealing with ancient languages but in regard to the Bible .... it isn't that ancient its only 2,000 yrs....its wordings .. words and the meanings of those words are accepted and in no need of fresh linguist attention
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 4:35:11 GMT -5
who expressed an interest in eck ...? you can speak for ECK as much as you wish and you continually do so... just because they do not accept ECK does not mean they either have an agenda or that they wish to sabotage .. all Men did was post the other side and other views of exk .. that is not sabotage and what agenda could they possibly have ? and as for rushing in quickly ...over 60 pages is hardly quickly SL wrote ""I believe and follow God and the Holy Spirit"" but obviously not Christianity or the words of Christ as for wasting their lives by being athiests... you don't comprehend atheism at all .. its just a word trotted out without any understanding to be waved as a flag Hi Mouse, If Jesus is God and born of the Holy Spirit, then you believe in all even if you just mention one. Make up your mind. PS: the person expressed interest after reading Divine Evolution 2 that is not 60 pages. there is very little difference between this thread and the does god exist thread ..
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 5:02:49 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I wonder who thought up the Trinity. I just accepted that fact without any analysis and have not thought about it. Could it have been the scholars who interpreted the Bible in the first place? If so ? You could have a point. Scripture contains neither the word Trinity, nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine did not take its definitive shape until late in the fourth century.... It was dreamed up by the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD as were many other things .. it was also then the women were demoted fromn playing active roles or having any responsibilities it was if memory serves me well.. then that male priests were forbidden to marry and celibacy became the order of the day amd mysogeny became part and parcel of western Christianity..as the Pauline version became acceptably dominant in western Europe over the Nazarine thinking the eastern church refused this edict and their priest continued to marry and they became the orthodox church in western Europe Rome became the centre until the big disagreement when the Papacy moved to France for a time ... those running Rome did not exactly cover them selves in Christian values for many centuries
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Post by fretslider on May 17, 2017 5:50:08 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, a cult is a cult is a cult. And a cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object. Eckankar followers believe that he [Paul Twitchell] studied under two Eck Masters: Sudar Singh in Paris and India, and a elderly monk Rebazar Tarzs in Tibet. They believe that he received the title of the 971st Eck Master from Tarzs in 1965, thus becoming the latest in a series of Masters which began before recorded history. www.eaec.org/cults/eckankar.htmDo you not believe that the Mahanta - the spiritual leader of Eckankar - is a "living manifestation of God". There is only one Supreme God and Creator. Harold Klemp is God's messenger and all he does is show people the way. He is the way shower. How to reach the Kindom of Heaven that Atheists refuse to acknowledge is real. They believe that only this physical universe exists. Which is quite wrong. And the Quantum Physicists will eventually prove it. Oh dear. According to Eckankar, the Mahanta is a "living manifestation of God". It seems like kronks you've failed too. Atheists don't believe. I think you've been told this quite a few times now.
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Post by fretslider on May 17, 2017 5:56:11 GMT -5
Scripture contains neither the word Trinity, nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine did not take its definitive shape until late in the fourth century.... It was dreamed up by the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD as were many other things .. it was also then the women were demoted fromn playing active roles or having any responsibilities it was if memory serves me well.. then that male priests were forbidden to marry and celibacy became the order of the day amd mysogeny became part and parcel of western Christianity..as the Pauline version became acceptably dominant in western Europe over the Nazarine thinking the eastern church refused this edict and their priest continued to marry and they became the orthodox church in western Europe Rome became the centre until the big disagreement when the Papacy moved to France for a time ... those running Rome did not exactly cover them selves in Christian values for many centuries Just as god was created in man's image, so the rules were made by men too.
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 5:58:46 GMT -5
There is only one Supreme God and Creator. Harold Klemp is God's messenger and all he does is show people the way. He is the way shower. How to reach the Kindom of Heaven that Atheists refuse to acknowledge is real. They believe that only this physical universe exists. Which is quite wrong. And the Quantum Physicists will eventually prove it. Oh dear. According to Eckankar, the Mahanta is a "living manifestation of God". It seems like kronks you've failed too. Atheists don't believe. I think you've been told this quite a few times now. "living manifestation of God". .... in the good book the instruction is thou shalt not have ANY gods but me
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 6:05:10 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, If Jesus is God and born of the Holy Spirit, then you believe in all even if you just mention one. Make up your mind. PS: the person expressed interest after reading Divine Evolution 2 that is not 60 pages. who is that person person ? I am not a follower so I don't HAVE to do anything.. or make my mind up about anything ...but I do know enough to realise when Christianity is being used falsly SL wrote "" If Jesus is God and born of the Holy Spirit, then you believe in all even if you just mention one""" what is that supposed to mean ? talk about abusing language and making it up as you go along.. mind bending Hi Mouse, it looks like you need a brain retread if you are having difficulty understanding what I'm talking about. The Trinity. God, the Son and the Holy Ghost are all one. That is what someone who put the Bible together, decided. Haven't you forgotten?
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 6:26:19 GMT -5
who is that person person ? I am not a follower so I don't HAVE to do anything.. or make my mind up about anything ...but I do know enough to realise when Christianity is being used falsly SL wrote "" If Jesus is God and born of the Holy Spirit, then you believe in all even if you just mention one""" what is that supposed to mean ? talk about abusing language and making it up as you go along.. mind bending Hi Mouse, it looks like you need a brain retread if you are having difficulty understanding what I'm talking about. The Trinity. God, the Son and the Holy Ghost are all one. That is what someone who put the Bible together, decided. Haven't you forgotten? err decided? your powers of comprehension are withering in the light of day and actually its ,,God the father etc.. only yesterday you were saying you didn't understand the concept but regardless of trying to make words mean what they do not mean .. Christianity is being is being defamed
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 6:31:39 GMT -5
There is only one Supreme God and Creator. Harold Klemp is God's messenger and all he does is show people the way. He is the way shower. How to reach the Kindom of Heaven that Atheists refuse to acknowledge is real. They believe that only this physical universe exists. Which is quite wrong. And the Quantum Physicists will eventually prove it. Oh dear. According to Eckankar, the Mahanta is a "living manifestation of God". It seems like kronks you've failed too. Atheists don't believe. I think you've been told this quite a few times now. Hi Fretslider, I thought that role was reserved for Jesus. Harold Klemp's title is: The Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, Sri Harold Klemp. He is God's messenger and the religious Leader of ECKANKAR the Religion of Light and Sound. He guides all ECKists (members) towards their goal of spiritual evolvement whilst making their way back to the GodHead in order to be a Co-worker with God, in other words doing what it takes to help keep things running smoothly in whatever capacity is best for you.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 6:38:33 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, it looks like you need a brain retread if you are having difficulty understanding what I'm talking about. The Trinity. God, the Son and the Holy Ghost are all one. That is what someone who put the Bible together, decided. Haven't you forgotten? err decided? your powers of comprehension are withering in the light of day and actually its ,,God the father etc.. only yesterday you were saying you didn't understand the concept but regardless of trying to make words mean what they do not mean .. Christianity is being is being defamed Hi mouse, you can think what you like, that is everyone's prerogative. As I have said so many times before, that doesn't mean that your assumptions are correct. I think it is time to call it a day.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 6:48:49 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, it looks like you need a brain retread if you are having difficulty understanding what I'm talking about. The Trinity. God, the Son and the Holy Ghost are all one. That is what someone who put the Bible together, decided. Haven't you forgotten? err decided? your powers of comprehension are withering in the light of day and actually its ,,God the father etc.. only yesterday you were saying you didn't understand the concept but regardless of trying to make words mean what they do not mean .. Christianity is being is being defamed Hi mouse, As usual you have misconstrued what I have typed. There was a comma after God, then the Son then the Holy Ghost. It wasn't God the Son
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 6:50:54 GMT -5
err decided? your powers of comprehension are withering in the light of day and actually its ,,God the father etc.. only yesterday you were saying you didn't understand the concept but regardless of trying to make words mean what they do not mean .. Christianity is being is being defamed Hi mouse, you can think what you like, that is everyone's prerogative. As I have said so many times before, that doesn't mean that your assumptions are correct. I think it is time to call it a day. I will indeed think what ever I wish BUT and its a very large BUT I do not make any assumption...or alter the meanings of words any words...nor do I defame Christianity by wild assertions and of course its time to call it a day... but that is not my choice to make nor is it you choice to make .. if others wish to continue that is up to them Divine evolution ? divinity evolving into what.. and why numbered 1 2 3
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Post by mouse on May 17, 2017 6:55:36 GMT -5
err decided? your powers of comprehension are withering in the light of day and actually its ,,God the father etc.. only yesterday you were saying you didn't understand the concept but regardless of trying to make words mean what they do not mean .. Christianity is being is being defamed Hi mouse, As usual you have misconstrued what I have typed. There was a comma after God, then the Son then the Holy Ghost. It wasn't God the Son allow me The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos. Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18: “For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the Earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 7:08:00 GMT -5
Hi mouse, you can think what you like, that is everyone's prerogative. As I have said so many times before, that doesn't mean that your assumptions are correct. I think it is time to call it a day. I will indeed think what ever I wish BUT and its a very large BUT I do not make any assumption...or alter the meanings of words any words...nor do I defame Christianity by wild assertions and of course its time to call it a day... but that is not my choice to make nor is it you choice to make .. if others wish to continue that is up to them Divine evolution ? divinity evolving into what.. and why numbered 1 2 3 Hi Mouse, do I have to spell it out? The experiences would take too long to type out in one go and to make it easier to follow, so that you are reading it as it is meant to be read. Not everyone takes notice of the date.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2017 7:15:42 GMT -5
Hi mouse, As usual you have misconstrued what I have typed. There was a comma after God, then the Son then the Holy Ghost. It wasn't God the Son allow me The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos. Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18: “For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the Earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.” Hi Mouse, thanks for that information, Jesus said that when I go to be with my Father I will send a Comforter, so who is the Comforter?
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