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Post by men an tol on May 16, 2017 8:24:44 GMT -5
Mouse, the leadership of ECKANKAR is as follows: Paul Twitchell founded ECKANKAR in 1965 and was its first leader. Darwin Gross became the ECKANKAR leader in 1971 with the death of Paul Twitchell. In 1981 Darwin Gross appointed Harold Klemp as the present spiritual leader, known as the Mahanta or the Living ECK Master. For those interested, the history of this transition of leadership of ECKANKAR, as well as the controversies around their writings, make for interesting reading. Hi Men an tol, More interesting is What ECKANKAR stands for. Mahantas go all the way back in time to the very first Mahanta. The human beings who served as the Mahanta in their time, are still alive in the spiritual realms. The more recent ones are still teaching, and ECKists today visit them in their Soul bodies. Members of ECKANKAR believe in God and follow the Holy Spirit, their spiritual leader the present Mahanta and Living ECK Master, is God's messenger. He is Sri Harold Klemp the wayshower.. In other words he is always in touch with all ECKists in the inner realms.ECKANKAR promotes the love of God.. All I was suggesting was that people unfamiliar with these last three leaders of ECKANKAR they might find their temporal world lives and the transition (in the temporal world) from one to another of interest.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 8:35:28 GMT -5
I was quoting you"" with his son by his side"" there will be no son by his side the Trinity is a three in one ..indivisible one from the other The 'Trinity'.... is clearly a case of multiple personality disorder. Hi Fretslider, I wonder who thought up the Trinity. I just accepted that fact without any analysis and have not thought about it. Could it have been the scholars who interpreted the Bible in the first place? If so ? You could have a point.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 8:45:39 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, More interesting is What ECKANKAR stands for. Mahantas go all the way back in time to the very first Mahanta. The human beings who served as the Mahanta in their time, are still alive in the spiritual realms. The more recent ones are still teaching, and ECKists today visit them in their Soul bodies. Members of ECKANKAR believe in God and follow the Holy Spirit, their spiritual leader the present Mahanta and Living ECK Master, is God's messenger. He is Sri Harold Klemp the wayshower.. In other words he is always in touch with all ECKists in the inner realms.ECKANKAR promotes the love of God.. All I was suggesting was that people unfamiliar with these last three leaders of ECKANKAR they might find their temporal world lives and the transition (in the temporal world) from one to another of interest. Hi Men an tol, All Mahantas have served a purpose in their own way, but the only one of any importance now is the present Mahanta. Keep that in mind.
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Post by men an tol on May 16, 2017 8:55:56 GMT -5
All I was suggesting was that people unfamiliar with these last three leaders of ECKANKAR they might find their temporal world lives and the transition (in the temporal world) from one to another of interest. Hi Men an tol, All Mahantas have served a purpose in their own way, but the only one of any importance now is the present Mahanta. Keep that in mind. Scottish Lassie, I don't have to keep anything in mind, that is your problem to adhere to your present leader. Others would likely find their transition to power interesting as well as their writings, inclusive of the actual sources of those writings. Many who would find such interesting would find common patterns with other similar groups. You are the one who continues to bring these things to the various threads so, it seems quite reasonable that actual histories of the people involved would come to the thread also.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 9:05:30 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, All is Love, and we who love God, know that.!!! what sort of answer is that ?.. just meaningless twaddle but remember ...""" that I am the lord thy God and will not find him guiltless that taketh my /his name in vain""" I can only repeat that some the stuff you come out with has no basis in Christs teachings or words Only to YOUR knowledge and understanding I believe my interpretation to be true. This world is full of hate. God is pure love, so anyone who doesn't have love in their hesrt, will never enter the kingdom of God as long as there is stll hate there.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 9:12:27 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, All Mahantas have served a purpose in their own way, but the only one of any importance now is the present Mahanta. Keep that in mind. Scottish Lassie, I don't have to keep anything in mind, that is your problem to adhere to your present leader. Others would likely find their transition to power interesting as well as their writings, inclusive of the actual sources of those writings. Many who would find such interesting would find common patterns with other similar groups. You are the one who continues to bring these things to the various threads so, it seems quite reasonable that actual histories of the people involved would come to the thread also. Anyone who is interested will do so by contacting ECKANKAR on their own they don't need you to tell them. www.Eckankar.org
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 9:21:54 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, More interesting is What ECKANKAR stands for. Mahantas go all the way back in time to the very first Mahanta. The human beings who served as the Mahanta in their time, are still alive in the spiritual realms. The more recent ones are still teaching, and ECKists today visit them in their Soul bodies. Members of ECKANKAR believe in God and follow the Holy Spirit, their spiritual leader the present Mahanta and Living ECK Master, is God's messenger. He is Sri Harold Klemp the wayshower.. In other words he is always in touch with all ECKists in the inner realms.ECKANKAR promotes the love of God.. Cults always end up the same. Try not to do a Jonestown or a Waco. Hi Fretslider, If you knew the real truth of what ECKANKAR stands for you would not say the things that you say. It is the religion of Light and Sound the two aspects of the Holy Spirit. It is certainly not a cult.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 9:54:17 GMT -5
what sort of answer is that ?.. just meaningless twaddle but remember ...""" that I am the lord thy God and will not find him guiltless that taketh my /his name in vain""" I can only repeat that some the stuff you come out with has no basis in Christs teachings or words Only to YOUR knowledge and understanding I believe my interpretation to be true. This world is full of hate. God is pure love, so anyone who doesn't have love in their hesrt, will never enter the kingdom of God as long as there is stll hate in their hearts. Hi Mouse, In case you don't know, taking God's name in vain means using it as a swear word and I certainly have not done that. Have you?
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2017 10:44:04 GMT -5
I was quoting you"" with his son by his side"" there will be no son by his side the Trinity is a three in one ..indivisible one from the other Hi Mouse, something doesn't sound right to me. Jesus was a man and he definitely said that He would be sitting on the right hand of God. He did notsay that he would be sitting on the right hand of Himself, so He couldnot have believed that He was God. He even spoke about God as being His Father. I have never really given it much thought. Did Jesus lie then? I think He also said that He would send the Comforter. Who was the Comforter? I guess we could also ask who is the Holy Ghost? It doesn't really make sense to me. if you haven't given it any thought.. then do so because its interesting no I do not think he lied... but I do think the concept of the trinity is not an imposible concept for some one who can create a world and human life.. can rise from death and ascend into heaven/clouds ... of one believes then you must believe in every thing... its not pick and mix
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 11:16:54 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, something doesn't sound right to me. Jesus was a man and he definitely said that He would be sitting on the right hand of God. He did notsay that he would be sitting on the right hand of Himself, so He couldnot have believed that He was God. He even spoke about God as being His Father. I have never really given it much thought. Did Jesus lie then? I think He also said that He would send the Comforter. Who was the Comforter? I guess we could also ask who is the Holy Ghost? It doesn't really make sense to me. if you haven't given it any thought.. then do so because its interesting no I do not think he lied... but I do think the concept of the trinity is not an imposible concept for some one who can create a world and human life.. can rise from death and ascend into heaven/clouds ... of one believes then you must believe in every thing... its not pick and mix Hi Mouse, I think it is a case of pick and mix, after all, there was only a small amount of srcolls found that comprises the Bible, the rest were used to light their fires to either keep warm or for cooking. So one wonders where the rest of the information comes from? It seems to me that I should only take my own experiences as a surety.
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Post by men an tol on May 16, 2017 11:23:18 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, I don't have to keep anything in mind, that is your problem to adhere to your present leader. Others would likely find their transition to power interesting as well as their writings, inclusive of the actual sources of those writings. Many who would find such interesting would find common patterns with other similar groups. You are the one who continues to bring these things to the various threads so, it seems quite reasonable that actual histories of the people involved would come to the thread also. Anyone who is interested will do so by contacting ECKANKAR on their own they don't need you to tell them. There are a number of sources which can provide information about the leaders of ECKANKAR. Obviously one of those is Eckankar itself. I didn't suggest any source for such information. For those interested other sources can also provide information and I also suggested that the patterns of transition of leadership, can be found as similar to other similar organizations. I will say here that those who find such things interesting will be best served by using multiple sources as some may have agendas, and that goes for using ECKANKAR as a source.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 16, 2017 11:38:45 GMT -5
Anyone who is interested will do so by contacting ECKANKAR on their own they don't need you to tell them. There are a number of sources which can provide information about the leaders of ECKANKAR. Obviously one of those is Eckankar itself. I didn't suggest any source for such information. For those interested other sources can also provide information and I also suggested that the patterns of transition of leadership, can be found as similar to other similar organizations. I will say here that those who find such things interesting will be best served by using multiple sources as some may have agendas, and that goes for using ECKANKAR as a source. H Men an tol, I am up to HERE with suspicion of people with so called hidden agendas that seems to be bandied about so often. No wonder this world is such a dark mean place compared to the inner worlds.on the way to the Godhead.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 11:43:32 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, More interesting is What ECKANKAR stands for. Mahantas go all the way back in time to the very first Mahanta. The human beings who served as the Mahanta in their time, are still alive in the spiritual realms. The more recent ones are still teaching, and ECKists today visit them in their Soul bodies. Members of ECKANKAR believe in God and follow the Holy Spirit, their spiritual leader the present Mahanta and Living ECK Master, is God's messenger. He is Sri Harold Klemp the wayshower.. In other words he is always in touch with all ECKists in the inner realms.ECKANKAR promotes the love of God.. Cults always end up the same. Try not to do a Jonestown or a Waco. Very rarely I agree with Fret on spiritual matters but in this case he is right....Echkankar is a cult with Harold Klemp and his predecessors false teachers.
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Post by men an tol on May 16, 2017 13:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on May 16, 2017 14:23:47 GMT -5
The 'Trinity'.... is clearly a case of multiple personality disorder. Hi Fretslider, I wonder who thought up the Trinity. I just accepted that fact without any analysis and have not thought about it. Could it have been the scholars who interpreted the Bible in the first place? If so ? You could have a point. Scripture contains neither the word Trinity, nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine did not take its definitive shape until late in the fourth century.... It was dreamed up by the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD
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