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Post by mouse on Mar 1, 2017 6:47:14 GMT -5
absolutely Fret..i certainly wasn't planned we are born of physical action nothing less and nothing more Wow.!!! and Wow.!!! again. Mouse, I don't think I would like to be in your head, if that is how you see the wonderful creation of what is life. When I think of life I am awestuck by its beauty and the marvellous functioning of everything, who could have thought that all up. I for one, will never cease to be amazed.!!! Don't you see the wonder of it all? oh yes I saw and have felt the wonder at various times and in various situations but in another scenarios realism comes into play and yes it is lust which creates whether its also with love is down to the individual couples and their relationships nothing wonderfulabout bringing a drug addicted baby into the world or giving birth to a babe already suffering alcohol poisoning and addiction nothing wonderful about having children to live in the direst grinding poverty with a life times of abuses infront of them
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 1, 2017 7:39:51 GMT -5
Wow.!!! and Wow.!!! again. Mouse, I don't think I would like to be in your head, if that is how you see the wonderful creation of what is life. When I think of life I am awestruck by its beauty and the marvellous functioning of everything, who could have thought that all up. I for one, will never cease to be amazed.!!! Don't you see the wonder of it all? oh yes I saw and have felt the wonder at various times and in various situations but in another scenarios realism comes into play and yes it is lust which creates whether its also with love is down to the individual couples and their relationships nothing wonderfulabout bringing a drug addicted baby into the world or giving birth to a babe already suffering alcohol poisoning and addiction nothing wonderful about having children to live in the direst grinding poverty with a life times of abuses infront of them Hi Mouse, evidently my experiences are different from yours, so I have a different outlook in life, for which I am grateful. I still believe that nothing happens by chance but by every decision that we put into action.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 1, 2017 23:59:23 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, The human body is so intricate in its function that I am amazed. As far as I am concerned it is love that runs the show, not lust.!!! there is a difference, but if that is how you see life, then so be it.!!! Who told you that love and lust are mutually exclusive? Have you ever been in love and not felt the least bit lustful at the same time? Love keeps you together and lust keeps the relationship alive. Hi Fretslider, I can only remember feeling lust when I met a person I found attractive when I first reached puberty, From then on I stifled it as I wanted to stay chaste until I met the man that I would one day marry, so I wasn't bothered by it. You concentrate on your love as opposed to concentrating on the act itself which is what lust is all about. I would feel nothing if I didn't love the person. I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour. That maybe works for those who gave into their feelings at the age of puberty, so probably will be prey to lustful feelings for the rest of their days. To each his/her own.
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Post by mouse on Mar 2, 2017 7:33:10 GMT -5
funnily enough lust,, the need for sex..sexual desire ...is a natural instinct inbuilt into all animals us included..its all about the continuing of the species ...that some humans put the word love into the equation is bescides the point and remember that not ALL humans talk of love or equate sex with love or love with sex different societies and different cultures and different ages aproach sex in different ways ..the same with love...our ideas are western ideas and not universal to the entire human race during every epoch/era/culture
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Post by fretslider on Mar 2, 2017 7:54:55 GMT -5
Who told you that love and lust are mutually exclusive? Have you ever been in love and not felt the least bit lustful at the same time? Love keeps you together and lust keeps the relationship alive. Hi Fretslider, I can only remember feeling lust when I met a person I found attractive when I first reached puberty, From then on I stifled it as I wanted to stay chaste until I met the man that I would one day marry, so I wasn't bothered by it. You concentrate on your love as opposed to concentrating on the act itself which is what lust is all about. I would feel nothing if I didn't love the person. I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour. That maybe works for those who gave into their feelings at the age of puberty, so probably will be prey to lustful feelings for the rest of their days. To each his/her own. I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour.Where did that come from? You have a very warped view of men in general I suspect, and I really don't want to know why.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2017 11:13:18 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I can only remember feeling lust when I met a person I found attractive when I first reached puberty, From then on I stifled it as I wanted to stay chaste until I met the man that I would one day marry, so I wasn't bothered by it. You concentrate on your love as opposed to concentrating on the act itself which is what lust is all about. I would feel nothing if I didn't love the person. I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour. That maybe works for those who gave into their feelings at the age of puberty, so probably will be prey to lustful feelings for the rest of their days. To each his/her own. I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour.Where did that come from? You have a very warped view of men in general I suspect, and I really don't want to know why. Hi Fretslider, It came from men talk. I was given that information.
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Post by men an tol on Mar 2, 2017 11:37:29 GMT -5
Who told you that love and lust are mutually exclusive? Have you ever been in love and not felt the least bit lustful at the same time? Love keeps you together and lust keeps the relationship alive. Hi Fretslider, I can only remember feeling lust when I met a person I found attractive when I first reached puberty, From then on I stifled it as I wanted to stay chaste until I met the man that I would one day marry, so I wasn't bothered by it. You concentrate on your love as opposed to concentrating on the act itself which is what lust is all about. I would feel nothing if I didn't love the person. I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour. That maybe works for those who gave into their feelings at the age of puberty, so probably will be prey to lustful feelings for the rest of their days. To each his/her own. Scottish Lassie posted, ā . . . I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour. That maybe works for those who gave into their feelings at the age of puberty, so probably will be prey to lustful feelings for the rest of their days. To each his/her own. . . . ā Scottish Lassie, if that is the view that women have of men it is one of the strangest ideas that I have ever heard. In all my years I have never met a man who has expressed such a view. If that is the way that women think men think, it is a wonder that any man woman couple ever get together. Most of the men I have know are romantics at heart. I have yet to meet a man who would force themselves on a woman and they certainly would not expect a woman to want such a thing. Of course Iām talking about people raised in Western culture. Others, say those raised in the extremes of Islam will have quite different views.
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Post by ladylinda on Mar 2, 2017 17:29:57 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, if you take your point of view to its logical conclusion (what my hubby would call a 'reductio ad absurdum) then why should a doctor bother to save life?
Why should a driver who hits a pedestrian stop?
Why should anyone do anything to help anyone else?
Why should a rape victim go to the police?
Why should a paedophile be punished?
Can you see how disgusting, immoral and sick that sort of attitude to life - YOUR attitude to life - IS?
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Post by mouse on Mar 3, 2017 4:01:12 GMT -5
I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour.Where did that come from? You have a very warped view of men in general I suspect, and I really don't want to know why. Hi Fretslider, It came from men talk. I was given that information. SL you cannot listen to one talk on any subject and then quote it as being the norm or conclude you know about a subject on one talk..in ANY subject.... to know and to understand you have to go way beyond your own personal experiences ... I say yay for men..they are not some brutal enemy ready to rape and pillage and ravish at the drop of a hat..far from it ..they are just like women but different ....the good the bad and the down right evil.. in order..Fret..Men..Lin make good points you need to take them on board and understand and stop insulting half of the human race just because you listened to a talk..it doesn't follow that the talk was correct
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Post by mouse on Mar 3, 2017 4:05:08 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, if you take your point of view to its logical conclusion (what my hubby would call a 'reductio ad absurdum) then why should a doctor bother to save life? Why should a driver who hits a pedestrian stop? Why should anyone do anything to help anyone else? Why should a rape victim go to the police? Why should a paedophile be punished? Can you see how disgusting, immoral and sick that sort of attitude to life - YOUR attitude to life - IS? indeed Lin..we cannot live in a little bubble ..only concerned with our own selves... reducto absurdum...not heard that for yonks ..my great uncle used to say it..memories
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Post by fretslider on Mar 3, 2017 7:11:49 GMT -5
I think that's where a lot of men go wrong in their thinking. They seem to think that women secretly want to be raped and that the rapist is actually doing the woman a favour.Where did that come from? You have a very warped view of men in general I suspect, and I really don't want to know why. Hi Fretslider, It came from men talk. I was given that information. One has to question the [male] company you keep.
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Post by ladylinda on Mar 3, 2017 13:22:43 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, It came from men talk. I was given that information. One has to question the [male] company you keep. Maybe men's locker rooms a la Trump?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 3, 2017 18:02:31 GMT -5
funnily enough lust,, the need for sex..sexual desire ...is a natural instinct inbuilt into all animals us included..its all about the continuing of the species ...that some humans put the word love into the equation is bescides the point and remember that not ALL humans talk of love or equate sex with love or love with sex different societies and different cultures and different ages aproach sex in different ways ..the same with love...our ideas are western ideas and not universal to the entire human race during every epoch/era/culture Hi Mouse, why is it that we choose a mate over another who is perhaps just as goodlooking and with similar nice qualities? There has to be a reason, and that reason is: that we fall in love, we don't know why, we just know that we do. Back home in Scotland there was a University graduate who adored me and wanted to marry me. He was an only son and his father was a Major, so he came from a good family. He was goodlooking, intelligent and well mannered, I liked being in his company, but that was all.!!! I was not in love with him and yet he was the perfect man, he had all the best qualities that any woman would want to have in the man that she would one day marry, but he wasn't for me. I equate lust with people who go out at night looking for a one night stand, in other words they want sex and they are not caring how they get it. Hopefully they will find a willing partner, if not, they might take it illegally, which ofcourse is RAPE. LOVE has nothing to do with LUST.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 3, 2017 18:15:31 GMT -5
One has to question the [male] company you keep. Maybe men's locker rooms a la Trump? Hi LadyLinda, the info was passed onto me from a female friend, I was not involved with the bar room talk and my friend happened to overhear the conversation that took place between a group of men. If you were trying to insult me? you have failed.!!! Hi LadyLinda, I think I owe you an apology, My words should have really been addressed to Fretslider, but I thought at the time that you were agreeing with him. I have since decided that what you said was just banter, hence the apology. I hope I have been forgiven?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 3, 2017 18:24:56 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, It came from men talk. I was given that information. One has to question the [male] company you keep. Hi Fretslider, I don't hang around with people who think and talk crudely.!!! Some people seem to always want to cast aspersions, they don't want to give the person the benefit of the doubt. They always believe the worst.
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