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Post by markindurham on May 31, 2013 11:52:54 GMT -5
And their views count because...? We all know that Brussels will do what it likes; the façade of democracy has long corroded away... Their views count because this isn't decided by QMV Lisbon can put a stop to that...
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Post by fretslider on May 31, 2013 11:59:49 GMT -5
Their views count because this isn't decided by QMV Lisbon can put a stop to that... I doubt it. Why after all the lobbying by US presidents are the Turks still out in the cold? They're only wanted by a few.
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Post by markindurham on May 31, 2013 12:08:25 GMT -5
Lisbon can put a stop to that... I doubt it. Why after all the lobbying by US presidents are the Turks still out in the cold? They're only wanted by a few. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, you know
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Post by fretslider on May 31, 2013 16:29:39 GMT -5
I would, it's serious shit.
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Post by markindurham on May 31, 2013 16:42:07 GMT -5
I would, it's serious shit. Well, you DO know that Lisbon kicks in properly next year, don't you? At that point Brussels can do what it wants, and thanks to the fecktard Brown, the UK has to go along with it. As I recall, no-one on the Brown administration could honestly say that they had gone through it properly, never mind understood it. As of next year, the only way to get our country back WILL be through invoking Article 50. Any fine words by Camermoron are just that - words. But we digress - the self-appointed 'anti-thread drift' vigilante may well be along ere long...
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Post by fretslider on May 31, 2013 16:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by markindurham on May 31, 2013 16:59:23 GMT -5
Agreed - however the point about Lisbon & next year is still valid. The bastards in Brussels are sneaky - once Lisbon kicks in then Austria's objections are also futile; unless, of course, they opt to leave the EU & subsequently enforce border control, but I doubt they could afford to leave...
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Post by fretslider on May 31, 2013 17:01:34 GMT -5
It may not happen in this country, but others will be out on the streets.....
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Post by markindurham on May 31, 2013 17:13:09 GMT -5
It may not happen in this country, but others will be out on the streets..... One can but hope - and preferably before the EU's Blackshirts are up & running - you know, the 'security force' that was mentioned a couple of years ago. Now we know why...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 19:15:20 GMT -5
It may not happen in this country, but others will be out on the streets..... Possibly so, but to behave in the same fashion as the people you claim to be opposing simply lowers you to the same level. It is never easy to require patience and allow time to work its neutralising effect upon extremists of all types but it remains the most enduring and sensible solution. Simply rioting on the streets will only paint those who oppose extremism in a poor light. The sad thing is that it always appears to be extremists of all factions who make the running. That is as true of the EDL as it is of the Muslim extremists. Both are utterly devoid of any emotion beside hate and have no positive values that they can attempt to inculcate. A plague on both their houses!
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Post by mouse on Jun 1, 2013 1:36:18 GMT -5
y"""" so, but to behave in the same fashion as the people you claim to be opposing simply lowers you to the same level.
It is never easy to require patience and allow time to work its neutralising effect upon extremists of all types but it remains the most enduring and sensible solution.
Simply rioting on the streets will only paint those who oppose extremism in a poor light.""""
that is why countries go to war but are not considered as lowering to the same level..ww2?....and why the warsaw ghetto etc etc rioting achieves nothing but a civil uprising is a different matter... the moral high ground is as I have said before...the highground is no use when your high on the end of a rope... why should people have to wait years for results of tyranny and oppression simply because they don't want to lowers them selves thugs and opressers are never conquered by sweet talk and reason.....as humans have found to their cost over and over again... thugs and opressers understand one thing and one thing only and that is defeat....by some one stronger than them selves fight fire with fire....
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Post by markindurham on Jun 1, 2013 1:43:09 GMT -5
y"""" so, but to behave in the same fashion as the people you claim to be opposing simply lowers you to the same level. It is never easy to require patience and allow time to work its neutralising effect upon extremists of all types but it remains the most enduring and sensible solution. Simply rioting on the streets will only paint those who oppose extremism in a poor light."""" that is why countries go to war but are not considered as lowering to the same level..ww2?....and why the warsaw ghetto etc etc rioting achieves nothing but a civil uprising is a different matter... the moral high ground is as I have said before...the highground is no use when your high on the end of a rope... why should people have to wait years for results of tyranny and oppression simply because they don't want to lowers them selves thugs and opressers are never conquered by sweet talk and reason.....as humans have found to their cost over and over again... thugs and opressers understand one thing and one thing only and that is defeat....by some one stronger than them selves fight fire with fire.... The other thing was that we weren't actually referring to good old-fashioned islam-bashing, EDL bashing or any of the usual themes, but the point that folk might well take to the streets to protest forcefully about something that they had never been given a vote on, or even consulted; something that would change their lives irrevocably - ie the throwing open of the borders to all & sundry, many of whom are of a very alien culture, by unelected, unaccountable 'suits' in Brussels...
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Jun 1, 2013 3:16:20 GMT -5
Won't matter. You know what happens if a member states electorate give the "wrong" answer in a referendum.
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Post by fretslider on Jun 1, 2013 5:47:10 GMT -5
It may not happen in this country, but others will be out on the streets..... Possibly so, but to behave in the same fashion as the people you claim to be opposing simply lowers you to the same level. It is never easy to require patience and allow time to work its neutralising effect upon extremists of all types but it remains the most enduring and sensible solution. Simply rioting on the streets will only paint those who oppose extremism in a poor light. The sad thing is that it always appears to be extremists of all factions who make the running. That is as true of the EDL as it is of the Muslim extremists. Both are utterly devoid of any emotion beside hate and have no positive values that they can attempt to inculcate. A plague on both their houses! Allo Mike What riots? The last riots were simply self-service shopping. When did the EDL riot? Come to think of it, if we didn't have the mediaeval barbarians doing their thing there wouldn't be an EDL Newton got it bang on, don't you think?
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Post by fretslider on Jun 1, 2013 5:54:03 GMT -5
Won't matter. You know what happens if a member states electorate give the "wrong" answer in a referendum. For accession it has to be unanimous.... Then there is Greece and I don't think the situation in Cyprus helps the Turkish cause....
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