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Post by fretslider on Sept 9, 2011 11:51:24 GMT -5
Mississippi voters will be allowed to vote on an initiative that seeks to reverse abortion rights by redefining the term "person" to apply at the moment of conception. But why stop there, why not start at the glint in the milkman's eye?
The initiative was challenged by a Mississippi citizen because it failed to comply with the state's official ballot initiative process which forbids making modifications to the Bill of Rights. Cristen Hemmins, the plaintiff, said: "As a lifelong Mississippian, I am disappointed that this broad and intrusive measure has been allowed on the ballot. I call on all voters to vote 'no' on #26. The government should not be interfering with the personal and private health care decisions of Mississippi families."
But anti-abortion groups such as the American Family Association and Pro-Life Mississippi welcomed the judge's decision. "Today we rejoice and celebrate this hard-won victory, but tomorrow we roll up our sleeves and return to work," Stephen Crampton, the attorney for the proponents told the Associated Press. "Our opponents are discouraged, but not yet ultimately defeated. They will be back, spreading fear, confusion, and dire 'sky-is-falling' warnings about this simple Amendment, and we must be ready to rebut their baseless charges and set the record straight."
The ruling follows that three months ago, when Rennie Gibbs, of Mississippi, because the first woman to be charged with murder following the stillbirth of her baby. Across the US, more and more prosecutions are being brought that seek to turn pregnant women into criminals.
"charged with murder following a stillbirth"
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 9, 2011 13:43:06 GMT -5
I guess this is one of those issues where people will always have strong opinions.
I try to be moderate and in the middle on the issue.
Though I'm broadly anti-abortion (I consider myself a pro-lifer) I've always recognised that where the mother's life is in danger or if the pregnancy comes about from rape or incest I'd allow a termination.
I wouldn't allow it (if I had the power to make the laws which I don't) for any other reasons.
The whole idea of criminalising stillbirths or miscarriages is another matter and I certainly don't support that kind of insanity.
I wish we could be more moderate; I can't understand the callousness of the "abortion on demand" people, even less the serial aborters. On the other hand, I wonder if the lawmakers have thought things through.
If life begins from the moment of conception, doesn't that make every man who masturbates (and thereby denies his sperm the chance to create a pregnancy) guilty of murder?
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Post by maggie on Sept 9, 2011 13:45:02 GMT -5
The masturbating man can't be guilty of murder because his sperm has to connect to the egg so he would have to have a very good aim for that to happen!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 13:52:14 GMT -5
If life begins from the moment of conception, doesn't that make every man who masturbates (and thereby denies his sperm the chance to create a pregnancy) guilty of murder? Logically, also guilty of murder would be every female who refuses to become pregnant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 14:01:08 GMT -5
The masturbating man can't be guilty of murder because his sperm has to connect to the egg so he would have to have a very good aim for that to happen! You have interesting fantasies, Maggie.
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 9, 2011 14:08:35 GMT -5
If life begins from the moment of conception, doesn't that make every man who masturbates (and thereby denies his sperm the chance to create a pregnancy) guilty of murder? Logically, also guilty of murder would be every female who refuses to become pregnant. I guess that would be at least the official Catholic position. I was pointing out how if you took the conception POV to its logical conclusion it would create a weird legal problem. Thanks for highlighting another problem for the proposal. Glad you're back, by the way, Joe!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 14:36:53 GMT -5
I was pointing out how if you took the conception POV to its logical conclusion it would create a weird legal problem. I don't see any potential legal problem. There is little argument about the meaning and timing of sexual fertilization. I'm not a Mississippi voter, but I have no problem with the proposal. I oppose abortion in all circumstances, including rape and incest, except when a mother would die otherwise.
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Post by maggie on Sept 9, 2011 14:44:58 GMT -5
I don't understand how a woman can be charged with murder for having a stillborn baby!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 14:48:20 GMT -5
I don't understand how a woman can be charged with murder for having a stillborn baby! Neither do I, Maggie. Only in America, as the saying goes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 15:01:36 GMT -5
The masturbating man can't be guilty of murder because his sperm has to connect to the egg so he would have to have a very good aim for that to happen! Ah, but if he masturbated into a test tube his sperm could be made available for artificial insemination!
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Post by mouse on Sept 10, 2011 3:51:52 GMT -5
good god....and i apose those who see women as nothing more than an incubater all WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY why should any woman be forced to give birth to a child she doesnt want or cannot aford perhaps ALL women should stop having sex with any man except with the idea of getting pregnant buy your selves a dildo girls or get your selves a girlsfriend....men make you pregnant so lets outlaw men.......or better yet lets give them all a vasectomy then they cannot witter on about women
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Post by fretslider on Sept 10, 2011 4:32:21 GMT -5
Why is it mainly men who object to a woman's right to choose?
If conception is the starting point we will have to lock up all those women unfortunate enough to suffer a miscarriage.
In the logic of Mississippi, women who have multiple miscarriages are serial killers.
Its bonkers and its all thanks to the devout and their weird head-trips.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 4:36:54 GMT -5
good god....and i apose those who see women as nothing more than an incubater all WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY EACH AND EVERY woman should have the automatic right for at least 16 weeks after conception to terminate a pregnancy. End of... Prashna
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Post by fretslider on Sept 10, 2011 4:47:10 GMT -5
good god....and i apose those who see women as nothing more than an incubater all WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY EACH AND EVERY woman should have the automatic right for at least 16 weeks after conception to terminate a pregnancy. End of... Prashna Its 24 weeks. They rarely, if ever, survive under that figure. In the unlikely event that they do they are horribly disabled.
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 10, 2011 12:24:07 GMT -5
Why is it mainly men who object to a woman's right to choose? If conception is the starting point we will have to lock up all those women unfortunate enough to suffer a miscarriage. In the logic of Mississippi, women who have multiple miscarriages are serial killers. Its bonkers and its all thanks to the devout and their weird head-trips. I don't think that's actually true, Fret. I'm a woman and I'm pro-life; my hubby is a man and is pro-choice. Almost all the pro-lifers I know are female. I don't think it's a gender issue anyway; it's a moral one. The question is, why is it morally right to murder an unborn child and morally wrong to execute a murderer? I can't get my head round that dilemma.
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