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Post by sadie on Sept 11, 2011 10:16:01 GMT -5
This will always be a tough subject and often a volatile one.
I absolutely agree that the "zygote" is not viable for quite awhile. I'm just stating that there are a lot of people that don't see it that way. It's not that they believe it is viable......just that it is a life from the first moment and it should be protected.
We all know biology and how things work. We all know how people can get pregnant, by choice or not. We all know the terrible things that can happen to unwanted children. There are terrible things that happen to "wanted" children also. This argument isn't really about that. It's about people's personal belief's and often their faith, maybe it is about hope also. I can't really answer that.
Beliefs, faiths and hope are not something you can argue right or wrong (unless there are criminal aspects).....because it is a personal thing. You're opinion and your faith are right for you. Just as you are passionate about your own beliefs.....others are just as passionate. I'm not asking anyone to change their opinion.
I, personally, don't believe anyone should try and legislate their faith, hopes or beliefs onto other people. That is what I am opposed to.
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Post by sadie on Sept 11, 2011 10:36:48 GMT -5
Just BTW......my sister and her husband are Pro-Life.......my mother is Pro-Choice. So while we don't sit around at family functions and slug this out........I hear their opinions regularly. My BIL would like to force his opinion on everyone and can be extremely nasty about it.......
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Post by maggie on Sept 11, 2011 10:41:42 GMT -5
EACH AND EVERY woman should have the automatic right for at least 16 weeks after conception to terminate a pregnancy. End of... Prashna That's just an opinion and not a fact. I think no woman should have an automatic right to a termination unless her life is in danger. I think if the pregnancy comes from rape or incest then she should also be allowed to terminate. other than that she's IMO got no MORAL right (and IMO shouldn't have the legal right either.). End of. If this is all about an innocent baby why is it more acceptable to terminate the pregnancy if it is the result of a rape? Not the baby's fault.
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Post by mouse on Sept 11, 2011 10:54:00 GMT -5
That's just an opinion and not a fact. I think no woman should have an automatic right to a termination unless her life is in danger. I think if the pregnancy comes from rape or incest then she should also be allowed to terminate. other than that she's IMO got no MORAL right (and IMO shouldn't have the legal right either.). End of. If this is all about an innocent baby why is it more acceptable to terminate the pregnancy if it is the result of a rape? Not the baby's fault. absolutely maggie....but hey lets turn the clock back and give every girl a knitting needle and a bottle of gin for their 12th birthday....in fact lets treat women as badly as possible afterall they are simply walking incubaters...this whole subject makes me so mad.....i remeber what it used to be like and belive me it wasnt pretty...there is nothing worse than an unwanted pregnancy....jeeeezzzzz some people are sikos
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Post by fretslider on Sept 11, 2011 12:13:59 GMT -5
If this is all about an innocent baby why is it more acceptable to terminate the pregnancy if it is the result of a rape? Not the baby's fault. absolutely maggie....but hey lets turn the clock back and give every girl a knitting needle and a bottle of gin for their 12th birthday....in fact lets treat women as badly as possible afterall they are simply walking incubaters...this whole subject makes me so mad.....i remeber what it used to be like and belive me it wasnt pretty...there is nothing worse than an unwanted pregnancy....jeeeezzzzz some people are sikos How many would genuinely want a child born out of rape?
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Post by maggie on Sept 11, 2011 12:30:46 GMT -5
Not many I would guess.
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Post by mouse on Sept 12, 2011 3:14:15 GMT -5
absolutely maggie....but hey lets turn the clock back and give every girl a knitting needle and a bottle of gin for their 12th birthday....in fact lets treat women as badly as possible afterall they are simply walking incubaters...this whole subject makes me so mad.....i remeber what it used to be like and belive me it wasnt pretty...there is nothing worse than an unwanted pregnancy....jeeeezzzzz some people are sikos How many would genuinely want a child born out of rape? not too many.... we woman fought a long timeb to be treated as people in our own right rather than someones wife/daughter/mother etc we have the right to decide..no one else
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Post by fretslider on Sept 12, 2011 11:18:17 GMT -5
I would say this lunacy - charging the mother of a still-born child with murder - shows just how compassionate some states are.
Yeah kick her while she's down.
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Post by sadie on Sept 12, 2011 11:32:24 GMT -5
Looked up the story because I thought it was really odd.....it still is......but thought this might be helpful......
Rennie Gibbs is accused of murder, but the crime she is alleged to have committed does not sound like an ordinary killing. Yet she faces life in prison in Mississippi over the death of her unborn child.
Gibbs became pregnant aged 15, but lost the baby in December 2006 in a stillbirth when she was 36 weeks into the pregnancy. When prosecutors discovered that she had a cocaine habit – though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do with the baby's death – they charged her with the "depraved-heart murder" of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence.
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So.....if they don't have proof that the cocaine killed the baby.....I don't see how they can proceed. First of all.....at 15 there are all sorts of things that can go wrong!!
15....pregnant and a coke addict..........there are a lot of things wrong in this girl's life.
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Post by fretslider on Sept 12, 2011 12:02:46 GMT -5
Looked up the story because I thought it was really odd.....it still is......but thought this might be helpful...... Rennie Gibbs is accused of murder, but the crime she is alleged to have committed does not sound like an ordinary killing. Yet she faces life in prison in Mississippi over the death of her unborn child. Gibbs became pregnant aged 15, but lost the baby in December 2006 in a stillbirth when she was 36 weeks into the pregnancy. When prosecutors discovered that she had a cocaine habit – though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do with the baby's death – they charged her with the "depraved-heart murder" of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence. ************************** So.....if they don't have proof that the cocaine killed the baby.....I don't see how they can proceed. First of all.....at 15 there are all sorts of things that can go wrong!! 15....pregnant and a coke addict..........there are a lot of things wrong in this girl's life. Lewis just pointed out on the DP thread that the US executed a man who wasn't even at the scene of the crime, so nothing really surprise me any more.
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Post by beez0811 on Sept 12, 2011 13:23:43 GMT -5
It let me reply!
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Post by Dex on Sept 12, 2011 17:06:31 GMT -5
You're Staff, beez. I think it's only staff that can use it. Weird because I looked at the settings and they are set for read - everyone, reply - registered members.
Making a recommendation in PM. Beth or Fret will fix it.
Good luck.
Dex
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Post by fretslider on Sept 12, 2011 17:15:04 GMT -5
Ok This is a new thread - give it a try
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 12, 2011 17:22:29 GMT -5
Thanks.
Sorry about my confusion when I saw a blank message!
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 13, 2011 5:48:18 GMT -5
Looked up the story because I thought it was really odd.....it still is......but thought this might be helpful...... Rennie Gibbs is accused of murder, but the crime she is alleged to have committed does not sound like an ordinary killing. Yet she faces life in prison in Mississippi over the death of her unborn child. Gibbs became pregnant aged 15, but lost the baby in December 2006 in a stillbirth when she was 36 weeks into the pregnancy. When prosecutors discovered that she had a cocaine habit – though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do with the baby's death – they charged her with the "depraved-heart murder" of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence. ************************** So.....if they don't have proof that the cocaine killed the baby.....I don't see how they can proceed. First of all.....at 15 there are all sorts of things that can go wrong!! 15....pregnant and a coke addict..........there are a lot of things wrong in this girl's life. obviously, she has no right using coke to begin with. she has even less right doing it when she's pregnant. whether or not the coke killed the baby is irrelevant. it is the fact that she intentionally did something illegal that she knew could harm the baby. that was premeditation. it is a good thing that, in the past ten years, many druggies have been convicted of murder and wilful infliction of injury on a child for using drugs while pregnant
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