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Post by fretslider on Sept 10, 2011 13:46:01 GMT -5
"I can't get my head round that"
I know you can't.
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 10, 2011 14:08:27 GMT -5
good god....and i apose those who see women as nothing more than an incubater all WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY EACH AND EVERY woman should have the automatic right for at least 16 weeks after conception to terminate a pregnancy. End of... Prashna That's just an opinion and not a fact. I think no woman should have an automatic right to a termination unless her life is in danger. I think if the pregnancy comes from rape or incest then she should also be allowed to terminate. other than that she's IMO got no MORAL right (and IMO shouldn't have the legal right either.). End of. |
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 10, 2011 14:09:48 GMT -5
"I can't get my head round that" I know you can't. Maybe because it's obvious to me that a murderer has killed someone while an innocent baby hasn't done anyone any harm. Is that such a strange moral position to take? |
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Post by fretslider on Sept 10, 2011 14:11:22 GMT -5
"I can't get my head round that" I know you can't. Maybe because it's obvious to me that a murderer has killed someone while an innocent baby hasn't done anyone any harm. Is that such a strange moral position to take? Simplistic as ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 14:16:34 GMT -5
EACH AND EVERY woman should have the automatic right for at least 16 weeks after conception to terminate a pregnancy. End of... Prashna That's just an opinion. Indeed it is, LL. Similarly your statementis ALSO an opinion and not a fact.You already stated your opinion in reply #1. There is no need to repeat it. I and most posters on this MB are capable of reading and understanding such a simple statement in one go. Regards.  Prashna |
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 10, 2011 14:19:06 GMT -5
If I had a pound for every time a member repeated themselves I'd be the richest woman in the world!
You and I disagree - I felt my statement was slightly enlarging on what I'd said but whatever.
I guess that's pretty much the bottom line.
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Post by fretslider on Sept 10, 2011 14:21:40 GMT -5
If I had a pound for every time a member repeated themselves I'd be the richest woman in the world! You and I disagree - I felt my statement was slightly enlarging on what I'd said but whatever. You think it's OK to kill babies and I don't. I guess that's pretty much the bottom line. Simplistic again. |
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 10, 2011 14:24:50 GMT -5
If I had a pound for every time a member repeated themselves I'd be the richest woman in the world! You and I disagree - I felt my statement was slightly enlarging on what I'd said but whatever. You think it's OK to kill babies and I don't. I guess that's pretty much the bottom line. Simplistic again. Simple don't make it morally wrong. It's morally good to be kind, honest, caring, tolerant and compassionate. Simple? Maybe so. If so, long live simplicity! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 15:43:07 GMT -5
Simple don't make it morally wrong. Simple. Simple and simpleton are NOT one and the same. You need to appreciate the difference. Prashna |
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Post by sadie on Sept 10, 2011 16:58:12 GMT -5
I know quite a few people that take the same position as Linda. I wouldn't call any of them simplistic.
I would never be able to have an abortion, myself. But I do have three friends that did......for very different reasons. One of them.....I would not have let raise a potted plant.......seriously.....it wouldn't last a day. She didn't take much better care of herself, I think she also knew that and understood her position. The other one.......again.....it would have been a bad situation. The last one.....ended up marrying the man later.....and I wonder if they think about the life they tossed aside, solely for the reason that it had not been convenient at that time.
I certainly don't want women going back to back alley abortionists if laws are passed to block them from real doctors......and that is all that will happen.
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Post by fretslider on Sept 10, 2011 17:02:30 GMT -5
I know quite a few people that take the same position as Linda. I wouldn't call any of them simplistic.
If they take the same black and white view as Lin, I would.
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Post by sadie on Sept 10, 2011 18:32:51 GMT -5
I know quite a few people that take the same position as Linda. I wouldn't call any of them simplistic. If they take the same black and white view as Lin, I would. But to them it is that simple. The moment the egg and sperm successfully come together (so to speak).....it's a baby, a life. Just the entire time from that moment to birth.....there are a million different things that can happen, both physically and mentally, that will cause it to be born or not. I believe that is only a decision that can be made on a case by case basis by the people involved and impacted by both the birth and termination of it.......I don't believe the gov't or anyone else should have a say in that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 3:19:53 GMT -5
I know quite a few people that take the same position as Linda. I wouldn't call any of them simplistic. If they take the same black and white view as Lin, I would. But to them it is that simple. The moment the egg and sperm successfully come together (so to speak).....it's a baby, a life. But it is not, sadie. Simple as that. A baby is capable of sustaining his or her life independently, even if for a limited period. A foetus less than 16 weeks old is not. LL refuses to accept that inescapable biological fact. A foetus less than 16 weeks old cannot and must not be considered the same as a baby. Yet she has accused me of wanting to kill a baby. That statement is as offensive and unacceptable as it is illogical and simplistic.It is for making that statement that I regard her as being unable to sustain rational argument. In other words, simplistic.Regards. Prashna |
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Post by mouse on Sept 11, 2011 3:54:59 GMT -5
EACH AND EVERY woman should have the automatic right for at least 16 weeks after conception to terminate a pregnancy. End of... Prashna That's just an opinion and not a fact. I think no woman should have an automatic right to a termination unless her life is in danger. I think if the pregnancy comes from rape or incest then she should also be allowed to terminate. other than that she's IMO got no MORAL right (and IMO shouldn't have the legal right either.). End of. you know what is really imoral,,,breeding children one cannot keep fed,,housed,,,or even healthy the so called right to life is fine if as prashna says life can be sustained independently i have been listening to this argument most of my life and its hyporcritical...there is no right to life...but to bring a child into this world without a reasonable expectation of a decent life is just abuse of the woman and of the child and those who want women not to have a say over their own bodies are beyond the pale.... and i sugest live in cloud cukcoo land and if we must go down that road i sugest sex becomes for procreation only....no more birth control...if we must take it to its logical conclusion |
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Post by fretslider on Sept 11, 2011 3:55:39 GMT -5
I know quite a few people that take the same position as Linda. I wouldn't call any of them simplistic. If they take the same black and white view as Lin, I would. But to them it is that simple. The moment the egg and sperm successfully come together (so to speak).....it's a baby, a life. Just the entire time from that moment to birth.....there are a million different things that can happen, both physically and mentally, that will cause it to be born or not. I believe that is only a decision that can be made on a case by case basis by the people involved and impacted by both the birth and termination of it.......I don't believe the gov't or anyone else should have a say in that. The moment an egg is fertilised by a sperm it is not a baby at all, it's a zygote, Sadie, and at that stage a possible life.  Many things, as you say can and do go wrong, but there are other reasons too, like rape. |
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