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Post by biglin on May 4, 2011 18:56:07 GMT -5
uk.news.yahoo.com/breach-sees-child-killer-venables-id-144410826.htmlBreach Sees Child Killer Venables Get New ID Sky NewsBy Martin Brunt, crime correspondent | Sky News – Wed, May 4, 2011 Child killer Jon Venables is to get a new secret name, because of a serious security breach which has revealed details of his current identity. Details of the breach cannot be revealed for legal reasons. But it means that he will have to learn another fake background and be given a new set of documents, including a passport and birth certificate. He will not be able to return to the town where he was living when he is released from his latest prison sentence. Venables was given a first new identity in 2001 when he was freed from his life sentence, along with Robert Thompson, for the murder in Liverpool of toddler James Bulger. The two killers were granted lifelong anonymity around their new identities, such was the concern that they would be attacked. When Venables, 28, was jailed again last year for internet child sex abuse crimes it emerged that he had been telling some people who he really was. During the court case it emerged that as an adult Venables had developed drink and drugs problems and had been cautioned by police for cocaine possession. A judge partially lifted the lifelong gagging order to reveal that he had been living in Cheshire and his latest crimes had been committed in that county. At that time the Home Office and Probation Service considered giving him a second new identity - along with a detailed history and the documents to support it - but decided against it because of the problems Venables would have dealing with such a big change. A source said: "We had resisted a new ID because he had lived with the first one for so long and it's very difficult to do that. "But the new security breach is considered so serious that a new identity is the only answer, because we believe so many people will have learned who he is and it would be impossible to protect him." Venables is to appear before the Parole Board in a couple of months when a panel will consider freeing him from his latest jail sentence. He will remain on licence for the James Bulger murder and risk being recalled to prison for any serious bad behaviour.
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Post by Erasmus on May 4, 2011 19:24:00 GMT -5
A bigger tragedy really than the kid they killed. He doesn't have to live out an obviously seriously messed-up life. Thompson on the other hand seems to have survived it all without being permanently marked.
One never knows of course. It could always be possible to argue that Thompson is the psychopath unaffected by their childhood cruelty, while Venables is haunted by guilt and needs to watch children being abused in order to desensitize himself to his own horror. Either way, he is mess I predict back in jail soon and ending with suicide or releasing who he is to somebody who will kill him. Karmaita
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Post by iamjumbo on May 5, 2011 13:16:39 GMT -5
A bigger tragedy really than the kid they killed. He doesn't have to live out an obviously seriously messed-up life. Thompson on the other hand seems to have come survived it all without being permanently marked. One never knows of course. It could always be possible to argue that Thompson is the psychopath unaffected by their childhood cruelty, while Venables is haunted by guilt and needs to watch children being abused in order to desensitize himself to his own horror. Either way, he is mess I predict back in jail soon and ending with suicide or releasing who he is to somebody who will kill him. Karmaitaeither ending is great. we just hope that one of them occurs very soon. in a perfect world, it would happen BEFORE he is released to prey on even more children
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Post by Erasmus on May 5, 2011 14:10:35 GMT -5
They were children themselves. Before we got tough about this stuff, there was Mary Bell. She's been living fine since whenever it was except for one occasion when a newspaper tried to blow her cover and stir trouble. I remember an article about this comparing what other countries would do. The Norwegians in particular were horrified because they had had a similar case not long before and the idea of trying a seriously disturbed child as England did just looked to them like something from the Middle Ages.
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Post by alanseago on May 5, 2011 14:27:03 GMT -5
The Middle Ages are now on the other side of the Atlantic. Don't consider the circumstances, 'Blow their F...ing heads off'.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 5, 2011 16:20:59 GMT -5
They were children themselves. Before we got tough about this stuff, there was Mary Bell. She's been living fine since whenever it was except for one occasion when a newspaper tried to blow her cover and stir trouble. I remember an article about this comparing what other countries would do. The Norwegians in particular were horrified because they had had a similar case not long before and the idea of trying a seriously disturbed child as England did just looked to them like something from the Middle Ages. the fact that norwegians had imbecilic ideas is certainly no credit to them. perhaps you would care to answer a very simple question, which is the ONLY relevant issue in ANY case such as this. exactly how is the victim less dead because he was murdered by a ten year old, than had he been murdered by a fifty year old? nothing else matters
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Post by iamjumbo on May 5, 2011 16:22:32 GMT -5
The Middle Ages are now on the other side of the Atlantic. Don't consider the circumstances, 'Blow their F...ing heads off'. wrong again. the middle ages is over there in europe where you like to coddle murderers and other assorted trash. your disdain for human rights is abominable
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Post by fretslider on May 5, 2011 16:34:11 GMT -5
The Middle Ages are now on the other side of the Atlantic. Don't consider the circumstances, 'Blow their F...ing heads off'. wrong again. the middle ages is over there in europe where you like to coddle murderers and other assorted trash. your disdain for human rights is abominable Sorry jumbo, you are wrong - bigtime.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 6, 2011 8:02:27 GMT -5
wrong again. the middle ages is over there in europe where you like to coddle murderers and other assorted trash. your disdain for human rights is abominable Sorry jumbo, you are wrong - bigtime. hardly. that's a nice map, and proves me a thousand percent correct
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Post by Soulman on May 6, 2011 13:00:19 GMT -5
I feel and have felt very strongly about this murder ever since it happened. My first son was born in 1993, the year of this murder, so it has stuck in my mind. The fact that Venables has been "rehabilitated" and has commited these crimes lately, means he is a danger, shows no remorse, and he should be given no special treatment. I still feel sick when i read what this low life did to young Jamie Bulger, the sadistic torture and mutilation....before leaving him on a railway track to be run over. Jamie Bulger would have been 21 this March. I hope Venables gets his just desserts. If this upsets the limp wristed HR appeasers, then i care not a jot. The Judges and Authorities involved with Venables, should hang their heads in shame.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 6, 2011 13:12:42 GMT -5
I feel and have felt very strongly about this murder ever since it happened. My first son was born in 1993, the year of this murder, so it has stuck in my mind. The fact that Venables has been "rehabilitated" and has commited these crimes lately, means he is a danger, shows no remorse, and he should be given no special treatment. I still feel sick when i read what this low life did to young Jamie Bulger, the sadistic torture and mutilation....before leaving him on a railway track to be run over. Jamie Bulger would have been 21 this March. I hope Venables gets his just desserts. If this upsets the limp wristed HR appeasers, then i care not a jot. The Judges and Authorities involved with Venables, should hang their heads in shame. at least you have it exactly correct. venables has obviously NEVER been rehabilitated. the british propensity for sending murderers out to murder again is appalling. enables is NO different today than he was when he was ten. the british wusses did nothing but prove that they cared nothing at all about the life of a baby.
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Post by biglin on May 6, 2011 16:10:12 GMT -5
I'd just turn him loose in the centre of Liverpool with a sign around his neck saying "Jon Venables - murderer of Jamie Bulger" and let the people's justice take its course.
Grrr!
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Post by iamjumbo on May 6, 2011 17:21:00 GMT -5
I'd just turn him loose in the centre of Liverpool with a sign around his neck saying "Jon Venables - murderer of Jamie Bulger" and let the people's justice take its course. Grrr! that would be the morally proper thing to do. wouldn't necessarily have to hang the sign on him. he apparently told several people who he was. it's surprising that someone didn't get him then. there definitely has never been a legitimate reason to give either of them a new identity though. that's inexcusable. they don't do it for other child murderers. he's certainly no different than ian brady or any other murderer
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Post by arizonavet on May 31, 2011 15:04:33 GMT -5
If one tenth the concern & cost afforded these murdering pedophiles, were directed at executing or incarcerating them..things could be different. They have earned the publics distrust & loathing...properly. I would make it their problem of how to stay incognito while they plan their next disgusting crime against children. Look at the picture of the trusting 2 year old, James Bulger being led to his death. vigilant-antis.blogspot.com/2010/06/jon-venables-repeat-sex-offender.htmlI just can't work up a good "feel bad" for the murderers....I would advertise their names & addresses. Can you even imagine how mothers & fathers will feel, when they find that the government they trust to protect them, is instrumental in surreptitiously placing these monsters in neighborhoods that have no idea what is living next door? And they PAID for it, with their taxes??? These are monsters that never should have see the light of day...ever!
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Post by Soulman on May 31, 2011 15:41:18 GMT -5
If one tenth the concern & cost afforded these murdering pedophiles, were directed at executing or incarcerating them..things could be different. They have earned the publics distrust & loathing...properly. I would make it their problem of how to stay incognito while they plan their next disgusting crime against children. Look at the picture of the trusting 2 year old, James Bulger being led to his death. vigilant-antis.blogspot.com/2010/06/jon-venables-repeat-sex-offender.htmlI just can't work up a good "feel bad" for the murderers....I would advertise their names & addresses. Can you even imagine how mothers & fathers will feel, when they find that the government they trust to protect them, is instrumental in surreptitiously placing these monsters in neighborhoods that have no idea what is living next door? And they PAID for it, with their taxes??? These are monsters that never should have see the light of day...ever! Least we have seen the back of one paedo. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392349/Paedophile-illegal-immigrant-finally-thrown-Britain-claiming-deportation-breach-HIS-human-rights.html
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