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Post by beth on Oct 21, 2016 9:01:31 GMT -5
Thank you, mouse. That sounds like a good situation for most people, then. Maybe I'll forward that on to our next POTUS and hope it's considered.
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Post by mouse on Oct 21, 2016 9:38:07 GMT -5
Thank you, mouse. That sounds like a good situation for most people, then. Maybe I'll forward that on to our next POTUS and hope it's considered. its not a bad system...highly abused of course by those who have never paid in a penny and yet who do appear to use out an awful lot of NHS services our practise also has some services on site such as pre and post natal care complete with scan unit...hypno therapy..stroke clinic... most of the staff office and medical live fairly locally ... which can be a bit disconcerting at times one man came out having had an injection telling the nurse very loudly she was ""no better than her grandfather . y/know love..he didn't know how to bowl gently and was a heavy handed buger an awl""...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 9:58:30 GMT -5
Seriously? Then the CA health care plan is similar to the one in England? our medical practice has about 6 medics and it can be worked so that you see the doctor you wish to see..but just a routine visit you can see any one of the 6 doctors but when you ring for an appointment your informed which doc it will be...or when your doc of choice has a vacancy....this way there is always some one available at holiday times and off days...if its not necessary to see a medic and a nurse can do the job..then a nurse is always available ie dressing changes..stitches out etc over 70 you have two doctors allocated as your primary medics over 75 with on going problems you are also allocated two nurseing practioners and one general nurse all three can deal with the care you need including the writings of prescriptions there is also a system in place for automatic issuing of prescriptions with a yearly review of medications [although medications can be added to or reduced at any time...but all this saves having to go to the surgery which wasts your time and that of a doctor I have one male and on female doctor..both are great..my previous female doc died unexpectedly last year and my new female doc is young but very competent and well up on new advances [even if she does have piercings] my male doc of a long time ..makes me laugh a lot and we exchange family news but he too is spot on the mark..though he is known for being quite bad tempered with time wasters long live the national health service ive had private health care and frankly if find the NHS far superior..well except for the waiting rooms and private hospitals are very lonely places ...the only advantage of private health is you don't have to wait for specialist apointments..BUT have never waited overly long on the NHS What does any of this have to do with the original topic?
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Post by mouse on Oct 21, 2016 10:15:18 GMT -5
this....
josephdphillips Avatar 13 hours ago josephdphillips said: beth Avatar 14 hours ago beth said: You aren't stuck with a particular doctor but can change if you feel more comfortable with another physician.
josephdphillips said Not where I live, Beth.
Seriously? Then the CA health care plan is similar to the one in England?
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Post by Dex on Oct 21, 2016 10:52:16 GMT -5
our medical practice has about 6 medics and it can be worked so that you see the doctor you wish to see..but just a routine visit you can see any one of the 6 doctors but when you ring for an appointment your informed which doc it will be...or when your doc of choice has a vacancy....this way there is always some one available at holiday times and off days...if its not necessary to see a medic and a nurse can do the job..then a nurse is always available ie dressing changes..stitches out etc over 70 you have two doctors allocated as your primary medics over 75 with on going problems you are also allocated two nurseing practioners and one general nurse all three can deal with the care you need including the writings of prescriptions there is also a system in place for automatic issuing of prescriptions with a yearly review of medications [although medications can be added to or reduced at any time...but all this saves having to go to the surgery which wasts your time and that of a doctor I have one male and on female doctor..both are great..my previous female doc died unexpectedly last year and my new female doc is young but very competent and well up on new advances [even if she does have piercings] my male doc of a long time ..makes me laugh a lot and we exchange family news but he too is spot on the mark..though he is known for being quite bad tempered with time wasters long live the national health service ive had private health care and frankly if find the NHS far superior..well except for the waiting rooms and private hospitals are very lonely places ...the only advantage of private health is you don't have to wait for specialist apointments..BUT have never waited overly long on the NHS What does any of this have to do with the original topic? lol I think it went off the rails when Beth mentioned some Doctors take that superior attitude with patients. But that goes out of the gender loop because some Doctors, male and female, come across that way with patients of either sex. Do some people still make a difference in how they treat men and women? All except for Donald Trump, I mean. I don't see that very much. I really don't see that any.
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Post by mouse on Oct 21, 2016 12:36:14 GMT -5
What does any of this have to do with the original topic? lol I think it went off the rails when Beth mentioned some Doctors take that superior attitude with patients. But that goes out of the gender loop because some Doctors, male and female, come across that way with patients of either sex. Do some people still make a difference in how they treat men and women? All except for Donald Trump, I mean. I don't see that very much. I really don't see that any. male doctors and some them their attitudes towards men and women back on track..some women still simper when in the company of a man or men...doesnt matter to me female or male ..makes no difference .. a good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from..... and an idiot is still an idiot regardless of gender I would never support a woman just because shes a woman or by the same token support s man just because he is a male
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 12:59:04 GMT -5
What does any of this have to do with the original topic? lol I think it went off the rails when Beth mentioned some Doctors take that superior attitude with patients. But that goes out of the gender loop because some Doctors, male and female, come across that way with patients of either sex. Do some people still make a difference in how they treat men and women? All except for Donald Trump, I mean. I don't see that very much. I really don't see that any. Then you must not be a woman! What Donald Trump says and does is extreme. It's always subtler; more an authoritarian tone of superiority. But my original query was about how women do not form sisterhoods as we should. Women simply do not help other women to counter the many subtler means of domination and sometimes insult. I'm not what most people would consider a feminist. I believe that we should have equal rights, opportunities, and pay, but I think that we have different strengths, talents, and needs. But this lack of sisterhood is not inherent; it is learned. Women, although competitive their own ways, have been traditionally cooperative. I don't see much of that since I left the circle of my family life and the friendships that I forged through childhood. Most of my intimate friends are women, including my sister, my cousins, and a handful of my closest female friends, as well as my Mom, my Aunts, and my Grandmother. I always go to these people for support and love, advice, and protection. Now, as I am getting older, and am preparing for a professional career, women, I find, don't form federations or protect each other. Most fall into one of two categories: They either use female wiles to get attention and, presumably, sympathy and a bit of a pass from men (or they use them,) or they become hyper-competitive - as if they need to be alpha-type males to succeed. All of this comes at the sacrifice of true individuality, genuine caring and the innate desire to nurture and bring people together, and even humor. In the end, we sacrifice our power. It's distressing. I'm not a man, and I don't think or behave like a man. I'm unique - as we all are - and a bit of a rebel. I'll always be an artist, an absurdist, and a lover of good company, food, and home. One of the strengths that women have is that of community-building, but I see less and less of it. And because this is either not appreciated or valued anymore, women fracture from each other and vie between themselves for men, attention, attractiveness, grades, wealth. They vie for the approval of men, according to the values and standards that men have established. As women enter the workspace, the absence of balance is conspicuous. I'm personally entering a field that I am becoming disgusted with (for many reasons) and refuse to be swallowed whole by it. I don't quite know how I will negotiate this, but I will certainly turn to all those strong women in my life for guidance and support. I want to add that many of my very good friends are men. My Dad is a wonderful person whom I admire, and maybe he provided a good example for me and influenced the kind of men that I am drawn towards. Unfortunately, these kind of men are, it seems, rarities. I'm in a class in school filled with mostly men, and I find that I do not like most of them very much. Honestly, my best friends in school are men, because the women don't support or empathize with one-another. And I refuse to become a person like that.
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Post by kronks on Oct 21, 2016 13:10:58 GMT -5
cheff wrote """" women are much better off than they were in 1970...trust me, I've lived it along with Mouse & Jessie....I think they are the only other ladies on the board old enough to have been working in that year."""" yes in women are very much better off..the opportunities are there for those who wish but its still hard going even in western societies what hasn't changed though is the reality that women get pregnant and have babies and children and have to make choices men do not have to make...and there is absolutely no way around that problem as there is NO alternative to that reality...all the types of childcare in the world will not alter that great disadvantage in the work place and the other disadvantage is the same one we have always faced and that is Men and male attitudes it isn't ALL men just as it never was ALL men...but life in almost every society is male dominated the very few exceptions are now down to a handful of tribal peoples relatively untouched by modern life.. don't understand what is meant by defend or submit..i feel its deeper and more complex the cracks in the traditional roles of women were beinging to be apparent before ww1....were very much deepend during ww1 and the years following and up to ww2 where tradition was thrown overboard by necessity...and the rest as they say is history..since then its been a steady climb.. women have lost in some areas of life in that some are expected to be traditional wives/home makers/mothers/childcares while still being expected to fill modern roles at the same time ie drivers /hostesses/cleaners and working wives etc etc the cry against Margaret Thatcher our first female PM was that she didn't particularily promote females and wasn't pro women ...I never understood why this would be expected of her...she had got by on her own efforts so why wouldn't she expect the same from other women..same applys to Theresa May and various other high fliers who just happen to be women..we have had many notable women in the UK who paved the way for Thatcher and May and others...women who towered over many of their male counterparts at that time sadly the males ruled ..regardless of ability but those times are no past surly its would be rather defeating if women were to be promoted simply because they are women.....that's is equal to the old boys network and hardly true equality...women don't need to be pandered to or patronised..they are more than capable of getting to the top off their own bat all women need is equal education..equal opportunity..and to be treated as the equals they are Why should she promote females? She didn't need any promotion.
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Post by Jessiealan on Oct 21, 2016 13:17:04 GMT -5
It's distressing. I'm not a man, and I don't think or behave like a man. I'm unique - as we all are - and a bit of a rebel. I'll always be an artist, an absurdist, and a lover of good company, food, and home. One of the strengths that women have is that of community-building, but I see less and less of it. And because this is either not appreciated or valued anymore, women fracture from each other and vie between themselves for men, attention, attractiveness, grades, wealth. They vie for the approval of men, according to the values and standards that men have established. As women enter the workspace, the absence of balance is conspicuous. I'm personally entering a field that I am becoming disgusted with (for many reasons) and refuse to be swallowed whole by it. I don't quite know how I will negotiate this, but I will certainly turn to all those strong women in my life for guidance and support. Ariel, dear, when I entered the work force, employers did make a difference between men and women employees. Over time, 30 + years, I saw that attitude change for the better. There is still a little left over, but as the older generations leave and the younger take charge, it does seem to be changing. Now, there are almost as many females as males in professions, some quite demanding. I am surprised you see this as an ongoing problem. I have never been interested in any kind of "sisterhood", since I am as comfortable with one gender as the other. Many of the bonds I established have been with males. I do not have a prejudice at all. Try and be sure your own prejudices are not creating more of a problem than really exists.
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Post by beth on Oct 21, 2016 14:31:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry I caused the thread to go off-top. I'll be more careful.
Over all, I agree with Jessie and also Chef. Currently, I have no complaints about any of the people I work with, but looking back, I'd say I've had better working relationships with men than women. I'm not going to try to analyze that and come up with a "why". I could, and might at some point in time, but not here and now.
In my current employment situation (smallish non-profit) there are 4 men and 7 women. 2 of the men are counselors, one is a teacher and one a techie. 3 of the women are teachers, 2 are supervisor/management, 1 a nurse and 1 a secretary-receptionist. They are all just fine, no friction, no conflict that I know of. One of the female supervisors is new this year and a little over demanding and picky, but I think that's just because she is very anxious for all to go well under her watch.
I'm not receptive to the "sisterhood" concept. I don't make judgement calls or any kind of decisions based on gender.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 15:00:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry I caused the thread to go off-top. I'll be more careful. Over all, I agree with Jessie and also Chef. Currently, I have no complaints about any of the people I work with, but looking back, I'd say I've had better working relationships with men than women. I'm not going to try to analyze that and come up with a "why". I could, and might at some point in time, but not here and now. In my current employment situation (smallish non-profit) there are 4 men and 7 women. 2 of the men are counselors, one is a teacher and one a techie. 3 of the women are teachers, 2 are supervisor/management, 1 a nurse and 1 a secretary-receptionist. They are all just fine, no friction, no conflict that I know of. One of the female supervisors is new this year and a little over demanding and picky, but I think that's just because she is very anxious for all to go well under her watch. I'm not receptive to the "sisterhood" concept. I don't make judgement calls or any kind of decisions based on gender. See, I have a different experience. When women support other women, we can start creating a different world, based upon cooperation instead of competition. We desperately need this. Some days, I question whether I made the right choice for my profession. I care deeply, however, about the suffering of people in the world, and I want to make a bit of a difference. I have had the privilege of going to several nations in Africa and the Middle East, and it is really a special thing to see how women support each other. They build upon each other's strengths instead of tearing each other down and apart. Honestly, in school, my best friends and favorite professors are all male. Two are gay. The others are gentle souls (except one, who is a real character, but I think that he is open to challenge!) I miss home and my parents. I appreciate them so much at this point. I think that I often took them for granted.
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Post by beth on Oct 21, 2016 15:34:58 GMT -5
I miss home and my parents. I appreciate them so much at this point. I think that I often took them for granted. You're fortunate. I was, too, with my parents .. very supportive .. I never took it for granted.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 16:22:30 GMT -5
I miss home and my parents. I appreciate them so much at this point. I think that I often took them for granted. You're fortunate. I was, too, with my parents .. very supportive .. I never took it for granted. That's good, Beth. I always loved and appreciated my parents, but I was always "high-spirited" (as they would describe me.) I never quite understood that most kids never had it that good. (My best friend had awesome parents as well, and all of us were close friends, so it was normal for me.)
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Post by mouse on Oct 22, 2016 5:18:48 GMT -5
Beth wrote ""I'm not receptive to the "sisterhood" concept. I don't make judgement calls or any kind of decisions based on gender.""" Jessie wrote """I have never been interested in any kind of "sisterhood", since I am as comfortable with one gender as the other.""" I agree wholly with what you have both written...I too don't see a need for sisterhood...if we go down that road we become exclusive and rather fall into habit that men have held for so long the one thing I would add though is that its women who bring up the next generation and inspite of societal norms do and can have a massive impact on their sons and their general behaviours in the middle east the woman have no option but to support each other the same in parts of Africa ..where the societies are based of different norms and different cultural practises an example..once[not UK] I was sitting on a boulder at the side of a track high in the mountains an elderly man came down the track...I lowered my eyes and made no effort to speak or aknowledge as I would at home...he passed on by...a few moments later an elderly woman also came down the track..on her back was an overly large bundles of dead branches ..I looked and smiled and she smiled back..as she was out of breath I indicated her to sit and offered her water from my bottle by sign I understood she was tired and thirsty ..she drank nodded and went on her way.... the point of that is that I wasn't offering sisterhood in any way.... it was just a gesture from one human being to another....why didn't I make the same human gesture to the male ...I didn't because in that culture it could have been very misconstrued some times we lose sight of just being human and we allow gender to play too great a part in our dealings with one another vive la difference ....but welcome natural equality
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Post by kronks on Oct 22, 2016 22:09:36 GMT -5
I think you will find workplaces are often a dog eat dog place, especially in time of technological change.
And I don't think males particularly stick to gether, a friend of mine, a saleman at time was telling me how he would always vote down a colleagues preseention irregardless of how good it was as he didn;t like him, the collegaue noticed and asked him why!
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