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Sept 29, 2016 7:25:25 GMT -5
Post by mouse on Sept 29, 2016 7:25:25 GMT -5
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Post by mouse on Oct 2, 2016 6:59:45 GMT -5
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Post by fretslider on Oct 2, 2016 7:49:07 GMT -5
Most would agree, I assume, that much of the enlightened west's development has roots in the learning and civilisations of ancient Greece. We've just had another Olympiad or two, after all. All those stellar names: Epicurus - one of the earliests atheists, Homer, Alexander, Aristotle, Apollonius, Democritus, Euclid, Heraclitus, Parmenides and thousands of others. To become that learned in the relatively short time of a few centuries requires the scholars be not encumbered with the day to day travails of surviving. Things like finding food, cooking it, and all the other necessary tasks would have consumed most, if not all, their time. There were a lot of jobs, and so about a third of the people living in ancient Greece were slaves. Most slaves were Greek people from other cities, and some were Persians or Egyptians or Scythians. Most people in ancient Greece who were slaves worked in the fields, plowing and planting seeds and harvesting wheat and barley and olives. Some slaves worked for small farms, maybe just one or two slaves working alongside their boss. Other slaves worked on huge farms with hundreds of other slaves, and never saw their owner. These people who worked in the fields as slaves were almost all men. Both men and women worked as slaves in factories or small shops, making shoes or shields or pottery or leather. As in other countries, a lot of enslaved women worked in huge spinning and weaving workshops, making high quality linen and wool cloth for their owners to sell. Some people cut hair in barbershops, and others worked in the public baths. Both boys and girls were forced to work as prostitutes. People who could read and write were often teachers or accountants. Or people who had skills might be musicians or dancers. Skilled slaves were often freed when they got too old to work. Zeno's paradoxes have puzzled, challenged, influenced, inspired, infuriated, and amused philosophers, mathematicians, and physicists for over two millennia. The most famous are the arguments against motion described by Aristotle in his Physics. So next time you work out the area of a geometric shape be it a circle, triangle, rectangle etc, see a Greek tragedy, or ponder on philosophy and the meaning of it all remember it was all done on the back of fully institutionalised [city] state sponsored slavery.
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Post by mouse on Oct 2, 2016 9:09:17 GMT -5
I didn't actually think any one would post on this thread as most people fully realise that slavery is part and parcel of the history of mankind....and is still an active part of some cultures
I mean who cares about the 40,000 or so slaves taken from Constantinople you never hear them mentioned..odd that as there is mention of the Dutch settlers and their slaves in New Amsterdam in and around the same time give or take a decade or two what price the women taken from Korea as slaves by the Japanese as comfort women for their armed forces [within living memory too]
slavery ....the polar opposite of Beethoven-Bach-Leonardo-Gallilao-Bernini
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Post by mouse on Oct 2, 2016 9:30:26 GMT -5
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Oct 4, 2016 12:21:28 GMT -5
Post by Jessiealan on Oct 4, 2016 12:21:28 GMT -5
It is not that we don't care, mouse. It is mostly that there are so very many issues in our own culture to worry about, there is no time or energy to weep and wail about all the rest. More's the pity.
Thank you for the link. I have book marked it for later.
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Post by mouse on Oct 5, 2016 5:18:07 GMT -5
It is not that we don't care, mouse. It is mostly that there are so very many issues in our own culture to worry about, there is no time or energy to weep and wail about all the rest. More's the pity. Thank you for the link. I have book marked it for later. """"It is not that we don't care""""...I know that Jessie. ..and weeping and wailing about the past never helped any one but its those who constantly trot out the Atlantic slavery and try use that slavery as a stick with which to beat on racial and ethnic grounds and not for any other reasons ... ..and yet they never aknowledge the slavery which is going on in present times...from captured girls by sex traffickers..to little boys bought from their families as camel jockies..the the African trade still in existence and they never aknowledge that at the same time as Atlantic slavery ..there was other slavery running along side which is also never mentioned and even denied by some slavery is and has been part and parcel of mans history from earliest times it very easy to access the history of slavery around the world and every racial group has practised slavery its the hypocracy which gets up the nose and the way its used as a racial issue ..used not to do any good or make people aware of todays slavery....nah its done to stir things up....to play on emotions and to serve agendas..social and political....
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Post by kronks on Oct 5, 2016 22:24:32 GMT -5
We still have slavery in the west under the warm word of workfare, ie work for basic subsistence or starve to death, shocking it seem the majority of the electorate agree with it.
So still in the dark ages in the 21st century.
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Post by mouse on Oct 6, 2016 7:30:35 GMT -5
We still have slavery in the west under the warm word of workfare, ie work for basic subsistence or starve to death, shocking it seem the majority of the electorate agree with it. So still in the dark ages in the 21st century. irelevent to the thread..if you wish to discuss this make a new thread...this thread is about slavery and enslavement not welfare/politics or society and certainly not about starving to death or taxation
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Oct 6, 2016 10:43:55 GMT -5
Post by beth on Oct 6, 2016 10:43:55 GMT -5
We still have slavery in the west under the warm word of workfare, ie work for basic subsistence or starve to death, shocking it seem the majority of the electorate agree with it. So still in the dark ages in the 21st century. irelevent to the thread..if you wish to discuss this make a new thread...this thread is about slavery and enslavement not welfare/politics or society and certainly not about starving to death or taxation A little different turn but it's still on topic. No problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 11:05:31 GMT -5
irelevent to the thread..if you wish to discuss this make a new thread...this thread is about slavery and enslavement not welfare/politics or society and certainly not about starving to death or taxation A little different turn but it's still on topic. No problem. Workfare in the UK is not slavery, it's unpaid work for people who receive benefits. Some companies do exploit it but why shouldn't the unemployed work for their benefits?
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Oct 6, 2016 11:11:54 GMT -5
Post by beth on Oct 6, 2016 11:11:54 GMT -5
A little different turn but it's still on topic. No problem. Workfare in the UK is not slavery, it's unpaid work for people who receive benefits. Some companies do exploit it but why shouldn't the unemployed work for their benefits? Sounds interesting. How do they manage that .. do people have to go in and get vouchers to submit for their benefit checks or is it done for them? Here, I think there's something that proves they have actually looked for a job .. not sure whether that's for welfare or unemployment.
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Oct 6, 2016 11:14:59 GMT -5
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 6, 2016 11:14:59 GMT -5
We still have slavery in the west under the warm word of workfare, ie work for basic subsistence or starve to death, shocking it seem the majority of the electorate agree with it. So still in the dark ages in the 21st century. irelevent to the thread..if you wish to discuss this make a new thread...this thread is about slavery and enslavement not welfare/politics or society and certainly not about starving to death or taxation Hi Mouse, slavery brings with it circumstances, which is what Kronks is talking about, so what he has to say is quite in order as far as I am cocerned.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 11:21:11 GMT -5
Workfare in the UK is not slavery, it's unpaid work for people who receive benefits. Some companies do exploit it but why shouldn't the unemployed work for their benefits? Sounds interesting. How do they manage that .. do people have to go in and get vouchers to submit for their benefit checks or is it done for them? Here, I think there's something that proves they have actually looked for a job .. not sure whether that's for welfare or unemployment. The unemployed receive unemployment benefit and related benefits such as housing benefit and so on. The unemployed sign on fortnightly and have to prove they have been job seeking to qualify for social security payments.. The workfare scheme gives unemployed people a chance to gain work experience. Some charities and supermarket chains take welfare claimants and have been accused of exploiting the scheme for free labour. It certainly isn't slavery.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 11:29:53 GMT -5
We still have slavery in the west under the warm word of workfare, ie work for basic subsistence or starve to death, shocking it seem the majority of the electorate agree with it. So still in the dark ages in the 21st century. irelevent to the thread..if you wish to discuss this make a new thread...this thread is about slavery and enslavement not welfare/politics or society and certainly not about starving to death or taxation Hi Mouse, slavery brings with it circumstances, which is what Kronks is talking about, so what he has to say is quite in order as far as I am cocerned. Kronks is talking about workfare, a scheme in the UK for the unemployed to gain work experience. Kronks is claiming that the unemployed should not have to work for their social security payments. It has nothing to do with slavery and I haven't heard of anyone in the UK starving to death.
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