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Post by justoled on Jul 3, 2012 21:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by mouse on Jul 4, 2012 0:42:46 GMT -5
you are partially right. women assume responsibility for their fertility PRIMARILY because most men are trash, and lie There is no moral, legal or financial incentive for men to be responsible for pregnancy, and that's never going to change as long as women are capable of controlling their reproduction. what a get out.... but women have only been able to control pregnancy for a very short time and men were not exactly responsible back then either it was always the woman who carried the can as usual the anti abortionists are knocking at the wrong door and lets have some honesty and attack those who have a 50% share in the needs to abort |
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Post by toby on Jul 5, 2012 1:48:55 GMT -5
Thunder posted.:-Capital Punishment should be abolished if for no other reason that so many innocent people have been executed.
Toby comments.:- More people die in road accidents every day but we don't abolish cars do we ?
If it is the will of the people that capital punishment should continue then the will of the people must be given priority. That's what Democracy is all about.
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Post by akamai on Jul 5, 2012 10:09:40 GMT -5
Thunder posted.:-Capital Punishment should be abolished if for no other reason that so many innocent people have been executed. Toby comments.:- More people die in road accidents every day but we don't abolish cars do we ? If it is the will of the people that capital punishment should continue then the will of the people must be given priority. That's what Democracy is all about. Hi Toby, I don't think a comparison of thousands who die from accidents with intentional killings is a fair one. Both murders and executions are intentional killings of humans. One is a crime, and the other is the results of the crime. Best, would be no murders, and hence, no executions. An execution in our society, is the result of a murder. Capital punishment has two main purposes. First, it is punishment that should fit the crimes, but just as important, is it provides a level of safety for the surviving innocent. It irks me when you have someone who should have been put to sleep, committing another murder because we failed to execute him in the first place. Ak |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 15:24:14 GMT -5
seeing how this thread veered off a little into abortions I'll tell you some of my thoughts today.
i was sitting at my desk at work and instead of working, was thinking about 1976 when my sister gave birth to a son that had brain stem problems and he couldn't survive and died.
IF, there had been the imaging and tests that are done today, the problem could have been found out sooner and she could have aborted the pregnancy and saved alot of sorrow because she didn't find out the baby would die until a few days before giving birth....I can't imagine the hell she went through knowing that the life inside her could not sustain once born.
I now see and understand the reasons for abortions......I wish people wouldn't use the option because they were careless with birth control but there are solid reasons why a pregnancy should not continue if the child is severely deformed or cannot live outside the womb.
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Post by fretslider on Jul 12, 2012 15:27:57 GMT -5
seeing how this thread veered off a little into abortions I'll tell you some of my thoughts today. i was sitting at my desk at work and instead of working, was thinking about 1976 when my sister gave birth to a son that had brain stem problems and he couldn't survive and died. IF, there had been the imaging and tests that are done today, the problem could have been found out sooner and she could have aborted the pregnancy and saved alot of sorrow because she didn't find out the baby would die until a few days before giving birth....I can't imagine the hell she went through knowing that the life inside her could not sustain once born. I now see and understand the reasons for abortions......I wish people wouldn't use the option because they were careless with birth control but there are solid reasons why a pregnancy should not continue if the child is severely deformed or cannot live outside the womb. I think you made the point succinctly Cheffy. A sad story too. These days there is the morning after pill for those who are 'careless'. |
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Post by akamai on Jul 13, 2012 10:28:04 GMT -5
seeing how this thread veered off a little into abortions I'll tell you some of my thoughts today. i was sitting at my desk at work and instead of working, was thinking about 1976 when my sister gave birth to a son that had brain stem problems and he couldn't survive and died. IF, there had been the imaging and tests that are done today, the problem could have been found out sooner and she could have aborted the pregnancy and saved alot of sorrow because she didn't find out the baby would die until a few days before giving birth....I can't imagine the hell she went through knowing that the life inside her could not sustain once born. I now see and understand the reasons for abortions......I wish people wouldn't use the option because they were careless with birth control but there are solid reasons why a pregnancy should not continue if the child is severely deformed or cannot live outside the womb. I agree 100%. There should be no reason to abort a normal, healthy fetus. If people would be more careful about conception, abortion would not be an issue. Ak. |
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Post by fretslider on Jul 13, 2012 10:41:18 GMT -5
seeing how this thread veered off a little into abortions I'll tell you some of my thoughts today. i was sitting at my desk at work and instead of working, was thinking about 1976 when my sister gave birth to a son that had brain stem problems and he couldn't survive and died. IF, there had been the imaging and tests that are done today, the problem could have been found out sooner and she could have aborted the pregnancy and saved alot of sorrow because she didn't find out the baby would die until a few days before giving birth....I can't imagine the hell she went through knowing that the life inside her could not sustain once born. I now see and understand the reasons for abortions......I wish people wouldn't use the option because they were careless with birth control but there are solid reasons why a pregnancy should not continue if the child is severely deformed or cannot live outside the womb. I agree 100%. There should be no reason to abort a normal, healthy fetus. If people would be more careful about conception, abortion would not be an issue. Ak. "The Obama administration's top health official overruled her own drug regulators and stopped the Plan B morning-after pill from moving onto drugstore shelves next to the condoms. The decision by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius means the Plan B One-Step emergency contraceptive will remain behind pharmacy counters, as it is sold today — available without a prescription only to those 17 and older who can prove their age." www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/health/healthcare/story/2011-12-07/FDA-debates-over-the-counter-morning-after-pill/51699388/1You guys tie yourselves up in knots, don't you. Is that down to the Christifundamentalists? |
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Post by thunder on Jul 13, 2012 11:17:02 GMT -5
This thread got away from me and now there are just too many replies to respond to. But, I'd like to add a few things. I began by saying that the term "Capitol Punishment," is a misnomer, because if it were, we could call it "Capitol Revenge". It remains on our law books because people view it as a deterrent rather than punishment. However, in the heat of passion, not everyone stops to consider the consequences... that is reviewed later and leads to the cover-up stage where they hide the body, clean up the crime scene, and start creating alibis. A life sentence is punishment, the death sentence is employed as a deterrent... which does not work. How many innocent people have been executed? It's impossible to say, but there are cases. www.examiner.com/article/innocent-man-executed-texas-cameron-todd-willingham-proven-innocent-of-arson-murder-too-late"Cameron Todd Willingham was convicted of arson murder in 1992, and was executed in February 2004. He was alleged to have intentionally set the fire which caused his three young children to die in Corsicana, Texas. At his trial, forensic experts testified that the fire was intentionally set. They were wrong. Willingham was executed as the murderer of his children over an accidental fire that started when he was asleep."... and with DNA testing, the number is rising. www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/texas-observer-exclusive-dna-tests-undermine-evidence-in-texas-executionClaude Jones always claimed that he wasn’t the man who walked into an East Texas liquor store in 1989 and shot the owner. He professed his innocence right up until the moment he was strapped to a gurney in the Texas execution chamber and put to death on Dec. 7, 2000. His murder conviction was based on a single piece of forensic evidence recovered from the crime scene—a strand of hair—that prosecutors claimed belonged to Jones. But DNA tests completed this week at the request of the Observer and the New York-based Innocence Project show the hair didn’t belong to Jones after all. The day before his death in December 2000, Jones asked for a stay of execution so the strand of hair could be submitted for DNA testing. He was denied by then-Gov. George W. Bush. How many of you recall republican Governor George Ryan of Illinois declaring a moratorium on executions in 1999, and commuting more than 160 death sentences to life sentences in 2003? |
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Post by thunder on Jul 13, 2012 11:24:33 GMT -5
"The Obama administration's top health official overruled her own drug regulators and stopped the Plan B morning-after pill from moving onto drugstore shelves next to the condoms.You guys tie yourselves up in knots, don't you. Is that down to the Christifundamentalists? Consider that we're close to an election, and committees behind the scenes begin making recommendations. I wouldn't think this was the president's idea. |
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Post by fretslider on Jul 13, 2012 12:32:47 GMT -5
"The Obama administration's top health official overruled her own drug regulators and stopped the Plan B morning-after pill from moving onto drugstore shelves next to the condoms.You guys tie yourselves up in knots, don't you. Is that down to the Christifundamentalists? Consider that we're close to an election, and committees behind the scenes begin making recommendations. I wouldn't think this was the president's idea. Your president seems reluctant to reduce the abortion rate, nonetheless. |
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Post by akamai on Jul 13, 2012 13:55:44 GMT -5
Consider that we're close to an election, and committees behind the scenes begin making recommendations. I wouldn't think this was the president's idea. Your president seems reluctant to reduce the abortion rate, nonetheless. Hi Fretslider, The best way to reduce the abortion rate, is education. ALL of presidents in the past 30 yeaers have stressed on education which indirecly is an effort to reduce abortions. The laws banning and/or restrictions of abortions will never reduce the rates today. Ak |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 14:36:51 GMT -5
One can support capital punishment and be pro-life; so too one can oppose it and be pro-choice.
There is no necessary connection between a person's moral principles on the two issues.
Moral issues are almost invariably complex and it does no one any good to make simplistic rants of the type coming from the raving right in the United States.
They appear unable to tell the difference between having strong opinions and wishing to compel the rest of the population to share their views irrespective of their own wishes in the matter.
Yet another example of the appalling authoritarianism that is sweeping the world like a forest fire!
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Post by beth on Jul 13, 2012 14:37:27 GMT -5
A combination of the urge to reproduce and the emotional makeup of humans is a big deterrent to whatever message education might provide. Ma Nature, fighting for population growth, all the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 14:39:20 GMT -5
Yes, I have always found lust one of the most powerful emotions there is!
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