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Post by justoled on Jun 5, 2012 20:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by beth on Jun 6, 2012 0:23:09 GMT -5
I don't know whether or not anyone here does that, Ed, but Crime Discussions is as good a place as any.
We'll leave it here.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 7, 2012 12:00:16 GMT -5
it could always come under good news
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Post by ladylinda on Jun 7, 2012 17:38:34 GMT -5
Hardly a loss to the world, is he?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 19:51:05 GMT -5
I've got to say the one sister made a excellent point.....the family had already suffered enough killings yet the state subjected them to another one that could have been avoided by lwop
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Post by akamai on Jun 8, 2012 1:09:47 GMT -5
He is a victim of his own actions, and his surviving family members are also victims of his actions. That is justice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 16:05:48 GMT -5
He is a victim of his own actions, and his surviving family members are also victims of his actions. That is justice. It is hardly just that others should suffer for the actions of a perpetrator. That is NOT justice but injustice. If the law cannot avoid punishing innocent people along with the guilty then it is bad law and needs to be abolished or reformed.
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Post by akamai on Jun 9, 2012 3:03:40 GMT -5
He is a victim of his own actions, and his surviving family members are also victims of his actions. That is justice. It is hardly just that others should suffer for the actions of a perpetrator. That is NOT justice but injustice. If the law cannot avoid punishing innocent people along with the guilty then it is bad law and needs to be abolished or reformed. By killing the guilty, you are not punishing anyone but the guilty. Those who feel they are being punished by an execution aside from the "guest of honor" are victims of the executed, and no one else. Why blame society for the actions of a murderer? He chose to murder, and he pays the price. If his loved ones feel any pain, they are victims of the loved one who committed the crime. Even incarceration is punishing the loved ones of the criminal. With your logic, we shoujld abolish all punishments. Akamai
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 22:44:47 GMT -5
It is hardly just that others should suffer for the actions of a perpetrator. That is NOT justice but injustice. If the law cannot avoid punishing innocent people along with the guilty then it is bad law and needs to be abolished or reformed. By killing the guilty, you are not punishing anyone but the guilty. Those who feel they are being punished by an execution aside from the "guest of honor" are victims of the executed, and no one else. Why blame society for the actions of a murderer? He chose to murder, and he pays the price. If his loved ones feel any pain, they are victims of the loved one who committed the crime. Even incarceration is punishing the loved ones of the criminal. With your logic, we shoujld abolish all punishments. Akamai I don't agree with you at all.
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Post by beez0811 on Jun 10, 2012 0:13:17 GMT -5
The sad thing about the death penalty is that there is more mourning from people who didn't do anything wrong. The only advantage they have is that they knew when, where, what, how, and why their loved one is gone.
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Post by akamai on Jun 10, 2012 1:56:52 GMT -5
The sad thing about the death penalty is that there is more mourning from people who didn't do anything wrong. The only advantage they have is that they knew when, where, what, how, and why their loved one is gone. The murderer should realize the pain he has caused his victim and the survivors of the victim. He should also realize the pains that he caused to his own loved ones. The murderer made the choice to kill. the victim did not make the choice to become his victim. Neither did the family of the murderer make the choice that the murderer made. They all suffer from the acts of the murderer. Why blame anyone but the murderer?
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Post by beez0811 on Jun 10, 2012 2:33:50 GMT -5
I agree. I have a teeny bit of respect for those that admit their wrongdoings and apologize for them. Both Michael Rodriguez and George Rivas (two of the Texas Seven) apologized for the death of Irving Police Officer Aubrey Hawkins.
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Post by akamai on Jun 10, 2012 3:33:31 GMT -5
By killing the guilty, you are not punishing anyone but the guilty. Those who feel they are being punished by an execution aside from the "guest of honor" are victims of the executed, and no one else. Why blame society for the actions of a murderer? He chose to murder, and he pays the price. If his loved ones feel any pain, they are victims of the loved one who committed the crime. Even incarceration is punishing the loved ones of the criminal. With your logic, we shoujld abolish all punishments. Akamai I don't agree with you at all. Well, it is your perogative to agree or disagree. The fact remains, that executions are the end results of a murder. It is the murderer who is responsible for his execution, and whomever he hurts by his murder or his execution is directly because of his actions. Whether murder victim, murder victim survivors, or his loved ones, he is directly the cause of it, and NOT the courts, the laws, or society. Akamai
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Post by akamai on Jun 10, 2012 3:36:53 GMT -5
I agree. I have a teeny bit of respect for those that admit their wrongdoings and apologize for them. Both Michael Rodriguez and George Rivas (two of the Texas Seven) apologized for the death of Irving Police Officer Aubrey Hawkins. Yes. The simple solution to capital punishment, is to eliminate murder. If there is no murder, there is no resultant execution. When the murderer apologizes, he has accepted the fact that his execution is the results of his actions that cannot be undone.
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Post by fretslider on Jun 10, 2012 4:08:31 GMT -5
I agree. I have a teeny bit of respect for those that admit their wrongdoings and apologize for them. Both Michael Rodriguez and George Rivas (two of the Texas Seven) apologized for the death of Irving Police Officer Aubrey Hawkins. Yes. The simple solution to capital punishment, is to eliminate murder. If there is no murder, there is no resultant execution. When the murderer apologizes, he has accepted the fact that his execution is the results of his actions that cannot be undone. The simple solution is to eradicate homo sapiens - that is the only way to stop murder, or any other form of crime.
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