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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 5, 2018 22:56:00 GMT -5
Once again it all boils down to interpretation. Maybe it just flooded in Noah's part of the World, they ones nothing else surely? Anyway the animals were seven pairs of EVERY clean animal and two pairs of EVERY unclean animals. How would you know what animals existed in Noah's time? The fossils of each time has been, and are being, found and recorded. The animals that lived within communities of humans are known. What animals (and plants) from the supposed time of Noah are primarily known. The animals in the Mediterranean basin all died in the flood as did any humans and communities. The flood(s) that occurred there didn’t cover all of the land but merely extended the shores to high elevations. This is all recorded in the geological evidence. There is no need to ‘interpret’ from a book of mystical stories. Nor to make up the idea of multiple past lives. I give credence to what you know from your studies, but from my experiences there is an Intelligence that is responsible for the experiences that I am given. I couldn't possibly entertain such thoughts on my own.PS: Noah received his information from some intelligent entity (God) and as I also do. I know that I have had past lives as I have been shown them. Everyone has lived many lifetimes, but because of your disdain of that fact you are not likely to know because of your fixed mind and woeful attitude. I am only alerting you to the facts as I know them.
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Post by men an tol on Jan 6, 2018 0:06:19 GMT -5
I suspect that you folks are missing the primary points. You can argue for ever what it says in the bible and you will never get to the truth. My past studies were some time ago, however, it is known (from various scientific studies) that at least one major flood occurred in the Mediterranean basin. The shore line changed, and the water depth changed. This may have happened more than once. The story of Noah is a nice tale and it is likely that there may have been a boat, maybe more than one. There is also evidence that such disasters happened in other parts of the world. There is no certainty as to what cause these events (no it wasn’t a God) but it could have been caused by a large asteroid passing close to the earth and moving large amounts of water. The answers are in the scientific world, not in some mystical belief. I am not disputing what you have found to be true via your studies, except that my understanding of events is somewhat different. It does say in the Bible that it hadn't yet rained. Finally enough moisture had risen into the sky to produce enough heavy clouds to produce the rain that caused the flood, perhaps only in that area. I certainly don't know, and maybe the people in Noah's time were also unaware. While there was likely rain, it is most likely the flood was through an earlier (more narrow) Straights of Gibraltar that opened and through that the Atlantic Ocean poured in.
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Post by men an tol on Jan 6, 2018 0:12:10 GMT -5
The fossils of each time has been, and are being, found and recorded. The animals that lived within communities of humans are known. What animals (and plants) from the supposed time of Noah are primarily known. The animals in the Mediterranean basin all died in the flood as did any humans and communities. The flood(s) that occurred there didn’t cover all of the land but merely extended the shores to high elevations. This is all recorded in the geological evidence. There is no need to ‘interpret’ from a book of mystical stories. Nor to make up the idea of multiple past lives. I give credence to what you know from your studies, but from my experiences there is an Intelligence that is responsible for the experiences that I am given. I couldn't possibly entertain such thoughts on my own.PS: Noah received his information from some intelligent entity (God) and as I also do. I know that I have had past lives as I have been shown them. Everyone has lived many lifetimes, but because of your disdain of that fact you are not likely to know because of your fixed mind and woeful attitude. I am only alerting you to the facts as I know them. Alert all you want Scottish Lassie, as you well know, I just happen to not believe in your supposed sources so your words are meaningless, at least to me, so your continual stating your beliefs is simply wasted words.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 0:20:27 GMT -5
I give credence to what you know from your studies, but from my experiences there is an Intelligence that is responsible for the experiences that I am given. I couldn't possibly entertain such thoughts on my own.PS: Noah received his information from some intelligent entity (God) and as I also do. I know that I have had past lives as I have been shown them. Everyone has lived many lifetimes, but because of your disdain of that fact you are not likely to know because of your fixed mind and woeful attitude. I am only alerting you to the facts as I know them. Alert all you want Scottish Lassie, as you well know, I just happen to not believe in your supposed sources so your words are meaningless, at least to me, so your continual stating your beliefs is simply wasted words. You have made your own bed so I guess you will have to lie on it, which to me is a pity, if that is how you want it to be.
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Post by men an tol on Jan 6, 2018 0:49:28 GMT -5
Alert all you want Scottish Lassie, as you well know, I just happen to not believe in your supposed sources so your words are meaningless, at least to me, so your continual stating your beliefs is simply wasted words. You have made your own bed so I guess you will have to lie on it, which to me is a pity, if that is how you want it to be. I look at your words in a similar way, that is they are wasted effort since they represent mystical nothings but they have the added problem that young people may read them and swayed by them as they have no life experiences to protect themselves from the made up world they represent.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 2:33:23 GMT -5
I am not disputing what you have found to be true via your studies, except that my understanding of events is somewhat different. It does say in the Bible that it hadn't yet rained. Finally enough moisture had risen into the sky to produce enough heavy clouds to produce the rain that caused the flood, perhaps only in that area. I certainly don't know, and maybe the people in Noah's time were also unaware. While there was likely rain, it is most likely the flood was through an earlier (more narrow) Straights of Gibraltar that opened and through that the Atlantic Ocean poured in. I believe that the people in Noah"s time hadn't ever seen rain which is probably the reason that they laughed at Noah and probaly thought he was mad, which no doubt was why they ignored him. Noah wouldn't have seen rain either, but he believed the Intelligence that had given him the instruction to build a boat, he was even given the specifications of its size and shape. Someone was definitely communicating with him.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 2:45:11 GMT -5
You have made your own bed so I guess you will have to lie on it, which to me is a pity, if that is how you want it to be. I look at your words in a similar way, that is they are wasted effort since they represent mystical nothings but they have the added problem that young people may read them and swayed by them as they have no life experiences to protect themselves from the made up world they represent. By believing, they could very well be saving their lives. I have also been shown Aliens lifting people off this doomed Planet before the massive earthquake that caused the Earth to rock back and forth. You surely don't expect to be one of the lucky one's do you? with your lack of belief you are digging your own grave.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 5:12:58 GMT -5
You have made your own bed so I guess you will have to lie on it, which to me is a pity, if that is how you want it to be. I look at your words in a similar way, that is they are wasted effort since they represent mystical nothings but they have the added problem that young people may read them and swayed by them as they have no life experiences to protect themselves from the made up world they represent. Surely if they wish to read the Bible and choose to believe it, that is their choice. No doubt you might try to sway them into believing that it is more logical to be an Atheist like you?
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 5:26:46 GMT -5
of course we are discovering new species ...i mean did king tut have kangaroos and koalas always look on the bright side of life de da de da Your guess is as good as mine.!!! I don't do guessing when there are actualities to be known about
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 5:32:32 GMT -5
Your guess is as good as mine.!!! I don't do guessing when there are actualities to be known about It is only what you believe to be actualities, because that is all the information that you are receiving due to your fixed mind.
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 5:34:39 GMT -5
Once again it all boils down to interpretation. Maybe it just flooded in Noah's part of the World, they knew nothing else surely? Anyway the animals were seven pairs of EVERY clean animal and two pairs of EVERY unclean animals. How would you know what animals existed in Noah's time? I suspect that you folks are missing the primary points. You can argue for ever what it says in the bible and you will never get to the truth. My past studies were some time ago, however, it is known (from various scientific studies) that at least one major flood occurred in the Mediterranean basin. The shore line changed, and the water depth changed. This may have happened more than once. The story of Noah is a nice tale and it is likely that there may have been a boat, maybe more than one. There is also evidence that such disasters happened in other parts of the world. There is no certainty as to what cause these events (no it wasn’t a God) but it could have been caused by a large asteroid passing close to the earth and moving large amounts of water. The answers are in the scientific world, not in some mystical belief. not only asteroid/meteors but plate movements and tsunamis are known to have taken place at various times .. the remains are right acros the planet and these events can be read by Geologists ..and of course such instances were localised to different areas etc
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 5:36:33 GMT -5
I am not disputing what you have found to be true via your studies, except that my understanding of events is somewhat different. It does say in the Bible that it hadn't yet rained. Finally enough moisture had risen into the sky to produce enough heavy clouds to produce the rain that caused the flood, perhaps only in that area. I certainly don't know, and maybe the people in Noah's time were also unaware. While there was likely rain, it is most likely the flood was through an earlier (more narrow) Straights of Gibraltar that opened and through that the Atlantic Ocean poured in. same happened cutting Britain off from Continental Europe when the land was breached and the English channel was made
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 5:38:02 GMT -5
While there was likely rain, it is most likely the flood was through an earlier (more narrow) Straights of Gibraltar that opened and through that the Atlantic Ocean poured in. I believe that the people in Noah"s time hadn't ever seen rain which is probably the reason that they laughed at Noah and probaly thought he was mad, which no doubt was why they ignored him. Noah wouldn't have seen rain either, but he believed the Intelligence that had given him the instruction to build a boat, he was even given the specifications of its size and shape. Someone was definitely communicating with him.
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 5:59:10 GMT -5
I don't do guessing when there are actualities to be known about It is only what you believe to be actualities, because that is all the information that you are receiving due to your fixed mind. no it isn't...there is proof positive....and not due to any information I am reciving or little green men or flashing lights but actual scholarship..rocks.. earth layers..fossils of all types.. writings... etc etc the proof is out there.. if I hold a fo0ssil in my hand.. then I know it is actually real....[and I have always loved fossils and fosil hunting] if a standing mammoth is found in ice but still intact.. then it is obvious that some thing catastrophic happened... so quick was it it encased instantly.. or if a group of stone eggs much larger than osteriechs eggs at uncovered ..a couple perfectly intact and one broken a look at the earth surrounding it will indicate what it was that buried those eggs and over millennia turned them to stone ... a sand storm...volcanic ash a river flood....while we have a long way to go.. the answers get cleaer every year and what is coal but tree and plant fossils laid down millennias ago
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 7:34:48 GMT -5
It is only what you believe to be actualities, because that is all the information that you are receiving due to your fixed mind. no it isn't...there is proof positive....and not due to any information I am reciving or little green men or flashing lights but actual scholarship..rocks.. earth layers..fossils of all types.. writings... etc etc the proof is out there.. if I hold a fo0ssil in my hand.. then I know it is actually real....[and I have always loved fossils and fosil hunting] if a standing mammoth is found in ice but still intact.. then it is obvious that some thing catastrophic happened... so quick was it it encased instantly.. or if a group of stone eggs much larger than osteriechs eggs at uncovered ..a couple perfectly intact and one broken a look at the earth surrounding it will indicate what it was that buried those eggs and over millennia turned them to stone ... a sand storm...volcanic ash a river flood....while we have a long way to go.. the answers get cleaer every year and what is coal but tree and plant fossils laid down millennias ago That is all very interesting but it will not save you when the end comes because of your ignorance to seek out the truth.
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