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Post by men an tol on Jan 6, 2018 7:53:21 GMT -5
I look at your words in a similar way, that is they are wasted effort since they represent mystical nothings but they have the added problem that young people may read them and swayed by them as they have no life experiences to protect themselves from the made up world they represent. By believing, they could very well be saving their lives. I have also been shown Aliens lifting people off this doomed Planet before the massive earthquake that caused the Earth to rock back and forth. You surely don't expect to be one of the lucky one's do you? with your lack of belief you are digging your own grave. As I said, your words with this stuff are meaningless.
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Post by men an tol on Jan 6, 2018 7:57:11 GMT -5
I look at your words in a similar way, that is they are wasted effort since they represent mystical nothings but they have the added problem that young people may read them and swayed by them as they have no life experiences to protect themselves from the made up world they represent. Surely if they wish to read the Bible and choose to believe it, that is their choice. No doubt you might try to sway them into believing that it is more logical to be an Atheist like you? As I have posted a number of times, when such a subject comes up I suggest to people (mostly young people) not to follow my path but rather to look into the religion of their parents and follow that path.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 8:06:58 GMT -5
While there was likely rain, it is most likely the flood was through an earlier (more narrow) Straights of Gibraltar that opened and through that the Atlantic Ocean poured in. same happened cutting Britain off from Continental Europe when the land was breached and the English channel was made You amaze me because you said you have a bad memory and yet you remember so much of the past and so many other things.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 8:37:53 GMT -5
Surely if they wish to read the Bible and choose to believe it, that is their choice. No doubt you might try to sway them into believing that it is more logical to be an Atheist like you? As I have posted a number of times, when such a subject comes up I suggest to people (mostly young people) not to follow my path but rather to look into the religion of their parents and follow that path. I wonder why,when you don't believe in God, you should steer them in that direction? That is somewhat hypocritical don't you think? Could it possibly be because you regret spending your life being an Atheist?
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 9:19:12 GMT -5
no it isn't...there is proof positive....and not due to any information I am reciving or little green men or flashing lights but actual scholarship..rocks.. earth layers..fossils of all types.. writings... etc etc the proof is out there.. if I hold a fo0ssil in my hand.. then I know it is actually real....[and I have always loved fossils and fosil hunting] if a standing mammoth is found in ice but still intact.. then it is obvious that some thing catastrophic happened... so quick was it it encased instantly.. or if a group of stone eggs much larger than osteriechs eggs at uncovered ..a couple perfectly intact and one broken a look at the earth surrounding it will indicate what it was that buried those eggs and over millennia turned them to stone ... a sand storm...volcanic ash a river flood....while we have a long way to go.. the answers get cleaer every year and what is coal but tree and plant fossils laid down millennias ago That is all very interesting but it will not save you when the end comes because of your ignorance to seek out the truth. being savede when the time comes is irelevent ... the above are the real actualities that I and others go by go by and which you ignore or question if they exist ... they exist in real terms and in real time.. they are also a history of this planet and its creatures
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 9:23:27 GMT -5
same happened cutting Britain off from Continental Europe when the land was breached and the English channel was made You amaze me because you said you have a bad memory and yet you remember so much of the past and so many other things. certainly my memory is certainly not what it was ...
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Post by men an tol on Jan 6, 2018 9:33:33 GMT -5
As I have posted a number of times, when such a subject comes up I suggest to people (mostly young people) not to follow my path but rather to look into the religion of their parents and follow that path. I wonder why,when you don't believe in God, you should steer them in that direction? That is somewhat hypocritical don't you think? Could it possibly be because you regret spending your life being an Atheist? You really shouldn’t try to come up with conclusions Scottish Lassie, as with this one they are most often wrong. Not hypocritical, but rather honest, something a believer cannot comprehend. Some self-professed Atheists might do as you suggest and these are usually young (say college age) and haven’t studied the writings of Atheists and don’t use the philosophical positions of being an Atheist. Many who have studied for many years have respect for the beliefs of other people. At least those who do not use their beliefs to badger Atheists. In fact, most people have not studied their own belief systems and therefore are easy pickings for the mish-mash of the cults. However, most have some early schooling in the religion of their parents and for most they should, and do, eventually return to the beliefs of their parents. However, in those first years in college many young people do a form of rebelling from the belief systems of their parents, and many of these consider Atheism. Well not really consider but sort of put on the cloak of Atheism to shock their parents. This does neither them nor Atheists any good. They will likely return to the beliefs of their parents and will leave an undeserved stain on Atheism. Although Atheism has been in existence as long as man has existed, most people cannot handle the concept. In short, that this is it, that is the temporal world. No God or Gods, just the world as we perceive it. Few people can accept such a belief as a reality. Just the temporal world we perceive and. . . . nothing else. So, most Atheists would rather see such people go back to their family beliefs. Of course those who believe in a specific religion (and in particular a cult) cannot abide someone not believing in their beliefs, and from that position people often end up trying to force others into their belief system. Not so with Atheists.
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Post by mouse on Jan 6, 2018 10:44:10 GMT -5
I wonder why,when you don't believe in God, you should steer them in that direction? That is somewhat hypocritical don't you think? Could it possibly be because you regret spending your life being an Atheist? You really shouldn’t try to come up with conclusions Scottish Lassie, as with this one they are most often wrong. Not hypocritical, but rather honest, something a believer cannot comprehend. Some self-professed Atheists might do as you suggest and these are usually young (say college age) and haven’t studied the writings of Atheists and don’t use the philosophical positions of being an Atheist. Many who have studied for many years have respect for the beliefs of other people. At least those who do not use their beliefs to badger Atheists. In fact, most people have not studied their own belief systems and therefore are easy pickings for the mish-mash of the cults. However, most have some early schooling in the religion of their parents and for most they should, and do, eventually return to the beliefs of their parents. However, in those first years in college many young people do a form of rebelling from the belief systems of their parents, and many of these consider Atheism. Well not really consider but sort of put on the cloak of Atheism to shock their parents. This does neither them nor Atheists any good. They will likely return to the beliefs of their parents and will leave an undeserved stain on Atheism. Although Atheism has been in existence as long as man has existed, most people cannot handle the concept. In short, that this is it, that is the temporal world. No God or Gods, just the world as we perceive it. Few people can accept such a belief as a reality. Just the temporal world we perceive and. . . . nothing else. So, most Atheists would rather see such people go back to their family beliefs. Of course those who believe in a specific religion (and in particular a cult) cannot abide someone not believing in their beliefs, and from that position people often end up trying to force others into their belief system. Not so with Atheists. am with you a 100% there is nothing hyporcritical about allowing people to make up their own minds and to do so they have to explore and weigh up the learning.. evidence from all sides ... only then can a reasonable judgement be made my husband was an Athiest but we worked on the point that without experience and knowledge a rational judgement cannot be made of what you do or do not believe in ...but we had our children christened.. they opted to join the church choir and one of them also opted to be confirmed now all three are totally disinterested in religion ...they don't come down as Athiest they just don't have any interests what so ever...they like myself like sacred music.. carols and some hymns and we have among our collective friends just about every beliefe on the planet ...some practitioners of their faiths others who have turned their backs on faith/culture and what Men says is true believers do find it hard not to badger nonbelievers and even different believers.... for my self I do not know... but I do know I prefer quiet conviction to being harried every waking moment ...
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Post by fretslider on Jan 6, 2018 11:52:53 GMT -5
If there was great flood then animals drowned. Noah was to take seven of every clean animal—“a male and his female”—two of every animal that is unclean, and seven of each bird, male and female “according to their kinds . . . to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth.” Noah had no idea of what an Emu was. He certainly never saw a Marsupial. So how could he save them? There weren't any microbiologists around in 7000 BC either. Noah is just a story, a fable that can't be taken seriously. Once again it all boils down to interpretation. Maybe it just flooded in Noah's part of the World, they knew nothing else surely? Anyway the animals were seven pairs of EVERY clean animal and two pairs of EVERY unclean animals. How would you know what animals existed in Noah's time? How would you know what animals existed in Noah's time?Simple, the fossil record and excavations.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 19:45:22 GMT -5
That is all very interesting but it will not save you when the end comes because of your ignorance to seek out the truth. being savede when the time comes is irelevent ... the above are the real actualities that I and others go by go by and which you ignore or question if they exist ... they exist in real terms and in real time.. they are also a history of this planet and its creatures If there is something missing from your so called actualities, then you are not seeing the full picture, so your version of actualities is bound to be warped.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 19:52:59 GMT -5
Once again it all boils down to interpretation. Maybe it just flooded in Noah's part of the World, they knew nothing else surely? Anyway the animals were seven pairs of EVERY clean animal and two pairs of EVERY unclean animals. How would you know what animals existed in Noah's time? How would you know what animals existed in Noah's time?Simple, the fossil record and excavations. Have they dug over every corner of the earth? and what about the homes that are already built, anything could be buried under them. Maybe a Kangaroo or a Koala?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 20:49:12 GMT -5
I wonder why,when you don't believe in God, you should steer them in that direction? That is somewhat hypocritical don't you think? Could it possibly be because you regret spending your life being an Atheist? You really shouldn’t try to come up with conclusions Scottish Lassie, as with this one they are most often wrong. Not hypocritical, but rather honest, something a believer cannot comprehend. Some self-professed Atheists might do as you suggest and these are usually young (say college age) and haven’t studied the writings of Atheists and don’t use the philosophical positions of being an Atheist. Many who have studied for many years have respect for the beliefs of other people. At least those who do not use their beliefs to badger Atheists. In fact, most people have not studied their own belief systems and therefore are easy pickings for the mish-mash of the cults. However, most have some early schooling in the religion of their parents and for most they should, and do, eventually return to the beliefs of their parents. However, in those first years in college many young people do a form of rebelling from the belief systems of their parents, and many of these consider Atheism. Well not really consider but sort of put on the cloak of Atheism to shock their parents. This does neither them nor Atheists any good. They will likely return to the beliefs of their parents and will leave an undeserved stain on Atheism. Although Atheism has been in existence as long as man has existed, most people cannot handle the concept. In short, that this is it, that is the temporal world. No God or Gods, just the world as we perceive it. Few people can accept such a belief as a reality. Just the temporal world we perceive and. . . . nothing else. So, most Atheists would rather see such people go back to their family beliefs. Of course those who believe in a specific religion (and in particular a cult) cannot abide someone not believing in their beliefs, and from that position people often end up trying to force others into their belief system. Not so with Atheists. I am very well aware of your uncalled for recriminations directed towards me, so I liken that to the 'pot calling the kettle black'. You are even implying that I badger people in regard to my religion. How can this be possible? All you need to do is ignore the post, it's as simple as falling off a log.!!! I am in a position to comprehend more than you are aware of, because of the fact that you have not received the full truth as yet, so what you say, couldn't be further from the real truth.!!!
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Post by men an tol on Jan 6, 2018 21:33:28 GMT -5
You really shouldn’t try to come up with conclusions Scottish Lassie, as with this one they are most often wrong. Not hypocritical, but rather honest, something a believer cannot comprehend. Some self-professed Atheists might do as you suggest and these are usually young (say college age) and haven’t studied the writings of Atheists and don’t use the philosophical positions of being an Atheist. Many who have studied for many years have respect for the beliefs of other people. At least those who do not use their beliefs to badger Atheists. In fact, most people have not studied their own belief systems and therefore are easy pickings for the mish-mash of the cults. However, most have some early schooling in the religion of their parents and for most they should, and do, eventually return to the beliefs of their parents. However, in those first years in college many young people do a form of rebelling from the belief systems of their parents, and many of these consider Atheism. Well not really consider but sort of put on the cloak of Atheism to shock their parents. This does neither them nor Atheists any good. They will likely return to the beliefs of their parents and will leave an undeserved stain on Atheism. Although Atheism has been in existence as long as man has existed, most people cannot handle the concept. In short, that this is it, that is the temporal world. No God or Gods, just the world as we perceive it. Few people can accept such a belief as a reality. Just the temporal world we perceive and. . . . nothing else. So, most Atheists would rather see such people go back to their family beliefs. Of course those who believe in a specific religion (and in particular a cult) cannot abide someone not believing in their beliefs, and from that position people often end up trying to force others into their belief system. Not so with Atheists. I am very well aware of your uncalled for recriminations directed towards me, so I liken that to the 'pot calling the kettle black'. You are even implying that I badger people in regard to my religion. How can this be possible? All you need to do is ignore the post, it's as simple as falling off a log.!!! I am in a position to comprehend more than you are aware of, because of the fact that you have not received the full truth as yet, so what you say, couldn't be further from the real truth.!!! “Uncalled for recriminations” You are the one who said (at least initially) that you could prove your assertions in the temporal world. After that failed and you admitted that you could not do so, you made the assertion that you could do it if we would first just believe. That is one of the most inane comments I have ever heard. As you have been told before, you want to believe what you say, do so and you do not need permission from anyone here to believe. But that does not follow that I must meekly accept what I see as total imagination. If you go back and review all that I have said I believe that nearly every statement of mine has been in response to some silly posting you have made and most often an attempt of yourself to negate or play down what I have posted. Take your own advice and don’t read my comments. I suggested to you once before not to post to me as I do not believe any of your mystical musings. But you did so anyway so I responded. I see you use the old fall back that I cannot understand because I have not had the benefit of the full belief. In truth I do not need a fairy story to understand reality. I keep thinking, what if a young person read your stuff and actually believed it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 6, 2018 21:39:01 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, You answered Men an tol's post by posting that you believe that people should explore and weigh up learning from all sides, only then can a reasonable judgment be made.
You seem to be as hypocritical as Men a tol as your words are not quite true. You have done plenty of digging into ECKANKAR but have never been a member so cannot ever know the real truth. You are only seeing one side, so you have erred in your claim. Naughty.!!! Naughty.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 7, 2018 0:19:57 GMT -5
I am very well aware of your uncalled for recriminations directed towards me, so I liken that to the 'pot calling the kettle black'. You are even implying that I badger people in regard to my religion. How can this be possible? All you need to do is ignore the post, it's as simple as falling off a log.!!! I am in a position to comprehend more than you are aware of, because of the fact that you have not received the full truth as yet, so what you say, couldn't be further from the real truth.!!! “Uncalled for recriminations” You are the one who said (at least initially) that you could prove your assertions in the temporal world. After that failed and you admitted that you could not do so, you made the assertion that you could do it if we would first just believe. That is one of the most inane comments I have ever heard. As you have been told before, you want to believe what you say, do so and you do not need permission from anyone here to believe. But that does not follow that I must meekly accept what I see as total imagination. If you go back and review all that I have said I believe that nearly every statement of mine has been in response to some silly posting you have made and most often an attempt of yourself to negate or play down what I have posted. Take your own advice and don’t read my comments. I suggested to you once before not to post to me as I do not believe any of your mystical musings. But you did so anyway so I responded. I see you use the old fall back that I cannot understand because I have not had the benefit of the full belief. In truth I do not need a fairy story to understand reality. I keep thinking, what if a young person read your stuff and actually believed it. I laughed out loud at your remarks, surely you must be joking? It always seems to be the case that the minute I mention one word about ECKANKAR I get a whole lot of posts saying that it is a cult, so it is more like you have your facts twisted. I would never block anyone. I can cope with anything that is thrown my way. I always speak the truth because I am an honest person and always will be.!!! Anything that I have given out is just to let you know that there is more to life than the corporal world that you esteem so much. I live here too but am privileged to have been shown more, which proves to me that what I say is true. Do you ignore all points of view? or just mine? BTW, it appears that you are the one with the active imagination, because of what you say about ECKANKAR.. I have always been aware that individual experiences are unable to be used as evidence. I am sure I quoted this before, some time ago
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