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Post by fretslider on Oct 18, 2017 6:27:04 GMT -5
""Religious people are always fretting about the end of the world. That's hardly uplifting""" I hadn't thought about that..but its true religions and cults do dwell on the ends of the world...some religions do try to make it something to be looked forward to one thing ive never understood is that a religion which promote death and the glories of the afterlife ... sees suicide as sinfull..that doesn't make a great deal of sense... because if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting there if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting thereThat's the muslim belief. Martyrdom and all that.
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Post by mouse on Oct 18, 2017 6:30:33 GMT -5
""Religious people are always fretting about the end of the world. That's hardly uplifting""" I hadn't thought about that..but its true religions and cults do dwell on the ends of the world...some religions do try to make it something to be looked forward to one thing ive never understood is that a religion which promote death and the glories of the afterlife ... sees suicide as sinfull..that doesn't make a great deal of sense... because if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting there if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting thereThat's the muslim belief. Martyrdom and all that. but their matyerdom always includes taking people with them who don't want to go.......but Christians think suicide is baaaaaaddddddddat
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Post by fretslider on Oct 18, 2017 6:43:22 GMT -5
if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting thereThat's the muslim belief. Martyrdom and all that. but their matyerdom always includes taking people with them who don't want to go.......but Christians think suicide is baaaaaaddddddddat Jihad involves fighting an enemy of Islam and dying in the cause. The Christian turns the other cheek just before it gets blown off.
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Post by annaj26 on Oct 18, 2017 11:32:48 GMT -5
I don't know, mouse. I think she's pretty aware. I try to come in almost every day, and I notice she has 4 people going after her all the time, yet she tries to express her beliefs in a way that you should be able to understand. She deserves an award for effort. there are not four people ""going after her"" all the time... there are those 3-4regularily answering her posts and allegations and with some very informative and considered posts as well... at least we take the time to answer SLs posts perhaps you would rather we all sat back and answerd nothing.. perhaps you would let misinformation pass without coment it isn't personal as in ""going after her""... because once away from the subjects of eck every one is perfectly civil Mouse, forgive me if I feel I must disagree. The tone is not simple disagreement but attack. When you suggest the person you disagree with is stupid or has bad intentions, it sure looks like attack to me. I think that my best bet is to quit using the Recent Posts option and choose the boards and threads I want to read. That should get me out of this conversation and solve the problem.
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Post by ladylinda on Oct 18, 2017 20:31:26 GMT -5
People hardly ever give the full quote 'religion is the opium people, the hope of a hopeless world.' Only the religious feel that hopeless. Duh. You obviously don't know many non-believers, Fret, or you wouldn't make such an ignorant comment!
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Post by Jessiealan on Oct 19, 2017 0:25:20 GMT -5
there are not four people ""going after her"" all the time... there are those 3-4regularily answering her posts and allegations and with some very informative and considered posts as well... at least we take the time to answer SLs posts perhaps you would rather we all sat back and answerd nothing.. perhaps you would let misinformation pass without coment it isn't personal as in ""going after her""... because once away from the subjects of eck every one is perfectly civil Mouse, forgive me if I feel I must disagree. The tone is not simple disagreement but attack. When you suggest the person you disagree with is stupid or has bad intentions, it sure looks like attack to me. I think that my best bet is to quit using the Recent Posts option and choose the boards and threads I want to read. That should get me out of this conversation and solve the problem. That might work. I may take your advice.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 19, 2017 0:31:27 GMT -5
""Religious people are always fretting about the end of the world. That's hardly uplifting""" I hadn't thought about that..but its true religions and cults do dwell on the ends of the world...some religions do try to make it something to be looked forward to one thing ive never understood is that a religion which promote death and the glories of the afterlife ... sees suicide as sinfull..that doesn't make a great deal of sense... because if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting there if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting thereThat's the muslim belief. Martyrdom and all that. There is a purpose for Soul having experiences in the physical. There would be no point in setting it all up if everyone was going to commit suicide willy nilly as soon as they were savvy enough to do it. The Muslims are going to be disappointed when they get into Heaven, there will be no virgins waiting for them.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 19, 2017 0:59:09 GMT -5
if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting thereThat's the muslim belief. Martyrdom and all that. but their matyerdom always includes taking people with them who don't want to go.......but Christians think suicide is baaaaaaddddddddat Look how many people have given their brain a good workout in trying to solve everything that is written in the Bible. I would say that was of benefit even to us.Look how many posts we have sent back and forth and we had fun doing it.
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Post by mouse on Oct 19, 2017 4:55:01 GMT -5
there are not four people ""going after her"" all the time... there are those 3-4regularily answering her posts and allegations and with some very informative and considered posts as well... at least we take the time to answer SLs posts perhaps you would rather we all sat back and answerd nothing.. perhaps you would let misinformation pass without coment it isn't personal as in ""going after her""... because once away from the subjects of eck every one is perfectly civil Mouse, forgive me if I feel I must disagree. The tone is not simple disagreement but attack. When you suggest the person you disagree with is stupid or has bad intentions, it sure looks like attack to me. I think that my best bet is to quit using the Recent Posts option and choose the boards and threads I want to read. That should get me out of this conversation and solve the problem. what? do you mean when she was calling me stupid.. I don't have a problem with that... telling me I was trying to muzzle .. I don't have a problem with that as not only was I not but I couldn't if I wanted too either and informed SL that it wasn't some thing I could do I don't see either of those as an attack as such...... oh whoops I mis read and you mean that we four are attacking SL... so let me get this straight you don't have a problem with SL name calling but you do have a problem with four of us answering her posts or rather attacking her perhaps you had better ask Fret and Menantol and Lin what they think as I cannot answer for them
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Post by fretslider on Oct 19, 2017 5:43:02 GMT -5
Only the religious feel that hopeless. Duh. You obviously don't know many non-believers, Fret, or you wouldn't make such an ignorant comment! Given your predilection for believing the unbelievable, that's very funny. I like it.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 19, 2017 6:03:25 GMT -5
if life after death is so great why wouldn't people wish to take a short cut to getting thereThat's the muslim belief. Martyrdom and all that. There is a purpose for Soul having experiences in the physical. There would be no point in setting it all up if everyone was going to commit suicide willy nilly as soon as they were savvy enough to do it. The Muslims are going to be disappointed when they get into Heaven, there will be no virgins waiting for them. There is a purpose for Soul hWe've already established that this construct you call Soul is non-existent. Remember, you said it was unimportant when it was debunked. Now you say it has a purpose? Presumably, it's an unimportant purpose.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 19, 2017 6:26:24 GMT -5
There is a purpose for Soul having experiences in the physical. There would be no point in setting it all up if everyone was going to commit suicide willy nilly as soon as they were savvy enough to do it. The Muslims are going to be disappointed when they get into Heaven, there will be no virgins waiting for them. There is a purpose for Soul hWe've already established that this construct you call Soul is non-existent. Remember, you said it was unimportant when it was debunked. Now you say it has a purpose? Presumably, it's an unimportant purpose. You might have established it in your mind but that doesn't mean that it is so. Soul is a unit of awareness, it is up to you to prove different.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 19, 2017 6:37:21 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, we are all just giving our point of view with each post. We just see things differently.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 19, 2017 6:49:13 GMT -5
but their matyerdom always includes taking people with them who don't want to go.......but Christians think suicide is baaaaaaddddddddat Jihad involves fighting an enemy of Islam and dying in the cause. The Christian turns the other cheek just before it gets blown off. If trying to work out when the world is going to end isn't uplifting, neither is what you have just said, apart from everything else that is happening in the World today.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 19, 2017 7:01:04 GMT -5
There is a purpose for Soul having experiences in the physical. There would be no point in setting it all up if everyone was going to commit suicide willy nilly as soon as they were savvy enough to do it. The Muslims are going to be disappointed when they get into Heaven, there will be no virgins waiting for them. There is a purpose for Soul hWe've already established that this construct you call Soul is non-existent. Remember, you said it was unimportant when it was debunked. Now you say it has a purpose? Presumably, it's an unimportant purpose. I don't think I would have said that. That is why it is wrong to terminate someone's life before their allotted time. We are all here for a reason, some like Jesus have a special mission to perform.
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