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Post by mouse on Oct 5, 2017 4:55:23 GMT -5
well that's a very contradictory offering if each soul is in ignorance ... how does it learn... how do you learn from past mistakes if you are not aware they were mistakes in the first place and now you say there is no punishment.. well scoobie doo I think you will find God is pretty hot on punishment.. being ejected out of Eden was just the start of punishmemnts according to the religious and remembering that what is in the bible is indisputable proof and cannot be argued with Sodam and Gomorah.. lots wife..Jonah and the wale.. the tribulations of Eyypt etc etc etc Hi Mouse, It is not classed as punishment as such, as we are the ones that are responsible for everything that happens to us, but you refuse to accept that fact. Would you say that a person deliberately punishes themselves? deflection deflection -all is avoidance and deflection .. why not try answering the contents of the posts
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 5, 2017 5:01:10 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, Why does it say in the Bible that the Kingdom of God is within? What happens to the physical body when it reaches the end of its days? Doesn't that tell you anything? To enter the Kingdom of God you are not going to need a physical body, so what are you then? It is Soul that is important and that is who you are. the body is no longer needed and it rots and returns to the earth from whence it came. When you are born again you receive a new body ( vehicle ) with the opportunity of learning more lessons by the experiences that you will have so that you will evolve spiritually, which is the reason for life in the first place. I am sure all that crap must be of great comfort to a the people damaged physically and mentally in ravished war torn Syria and the raped and physically damaged children ruined by some pervert who you say are not ..victims..and even if they were/are hurt its of no importance because its only the physical body if we follow your sick reasoning we have no need of police.. fire services..doctors and dentists and of course hospitals because people including children are simply getting their just deserts for actions in a prior life and any suffering is well deserved and there should be no intervention to stop them reaping what they have sown ive finally realised why you never answer posts.. you do not answer because you do not have any answers.. just the same old same old repititions we were not discussing the kingdom of God we were discussing your beliefe that there are no such things as "victims" Hi Mouse, There is a reason for everything that happens and people are allowed to behave in exactly the way that they wish, everything follows on from there. A person learns from their experiences. Jesus says to turn the other cheek, would you?
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Post by mouse on Oct 5, 2017 5:41:22 GMT -5
I am sure all that crap must be of great comfort to a the people damaged physically and mentally in ravished war torn Syria and the raped and physically damaged children ruined by some pervert who you say are not ..victims..and even if they were/are hurt its of no importance because its only the physical body if we follow your sick reasoning we have no need of police.. fire services..doctors and dentists and of course hospitals because people including children are simply getting their just deserts for actions in a prior life and any suffering is well deserved and there should be no intervention to stop them reaping what they have sown ive finally realised why you never answer posts.. you do not answer because you do not have any answers.. just the same old same old repititions we were not discussing the kingdom of God we were discussing your beliefe that there are no such things as "victims" Hi Mouse, There is a reason for everything that happens and people are allowed to behave in exactly the way that they wish, everything follows on from there. A person learns from their experiences. Jesus says to turn the other cheek, would you? would I what? turn the other cheek.. it would all de0pend obn circumstances.. something minor not worth bothering about I can ignore as an irritation but other more serious thing then turning the other cheek would not be even considered and I would retaliate to the fullest extent of my abiliy .. forget proportionality SLwrote"reason for everything that happens and people are allowed to behave in exactly the way that they wish, everything follows on from there" so people behaving as they wish face no punishment.. and they leave no victims in their wake and regardless of the behaviour don't get punished but are expected to learn from their experience ........ tell that to a serial killer.. tell than to habitual criminal offenders....tell that to people defrauded out of their life savings theres no logic or rational in your thinking
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Post by fretslider on Oct 5, 2017 6:00:27 GMT -5
no one is a victimHaven't we put this one to bed, before? You clearly state that no one is a victim. In this case then, the young female human rights activist who was raped by a gang of migrants at a refugee camp in France, is not a victim. The young female medical student, a volunteer at a refugee centre in Germany, who was raped and murdered by an Afghan migrant, is not a victim. Therefore, rape and murder are not crimes. Indeed, there are no crimes at all. You can't have a crime without a victim. Hi Fretslider, everything is just a learning experience, which eventually leads us to spiritual evolvement. The body is just a tool for Soul whilst it is here having experiences. Knowledge, so it goes, is the cornerstone of developing one's consciousness. Nothing to do with this Soul; we've already shown that this is an entirely bogus concept, which you then declared was unimportant, anyway. A society needs organisation, the criminal law is a crucial element in that organisation. In your dimension, where the victims of rapists and murderers are apparently having a learning experience that will lead them to spiritual evolution, it must be hell.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 5, 2017 6:04:59 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, There is a reason for everything that happens and people are allowed to behave in exactly the way that they wish, everything follows on from there. A person learns from their experiences. Jesus says to turn the other cheek, would you? would I what? turn the other cheek.. it would all de0pend obn circumstances.. something minor not worth bothering about I can ignore as an irritation but other more serious thing then turning the other cheek would not be even considered and I would retaliate to the fullest extent of my abiliy .. forget proportionality SLwrote"reason for everything that happens and people are allowed to behave in exactly the way that they wish, everything follows on from there" so people behaving as they wish face no punishment.. and they leave no victims in their wake and regardless of the behaviour don't get punished but are expected to learn from their experience ........ tell that to a serial killer.. tell than to habitual criminal offenders....tell that to people defrauded out of their life savings theres no logic or rational in your thinking Hi Mouse, There is the law of the land and there is God's law, they are different as one would surely expect. God's law is taken care of via reaping what you sow. The law of the land judges by having a jury with a Judge passing sentence on the offender.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 5, 2017 6:24:47 GMT -5
Eckankar - some believe that Eckankar draws in part from the Sikh and Hindu religions, and the Sant Mat movement.
Karma - origins in ancient India, karma is a key concept in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, and Taoism.
Christianity has nothing to do with it. Twitchell obviously appropriated it from the east.
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Post by mouse on Oct 5, 2017 7:03:02 GMT -5
would I what? turn the other cheek.. it would all de0pend obn circumstances.. something minor not worth bothering about I can ignore as an irritation but other more serious thing then turning the other cheek would not be even considered and I would retaliate to the fullest extent of my abiliy .. forget proportionality SLwrote"reason for everything that happens and people are allowed to behave in exactly the way that they wish, everything follows on from there" so people behaving as they wish face no punishment.. and they leave no victims in their wake and regardless of the behaviour don't get punished but are expected to learn from their experience ........ tell that to a serial killer.. tell than to habitual criminal offenders....tell that to people defrauded out of their life savings theres no logic or rational in your thinking Hi Mouse, There is the law of the land and there is God's law, they are different as one would surely expect. God's law is taken care of via reaping what you sow. The law of the land judges by having a jury with a Judge passing sentence on the offender. no no you are in direct conflict with your self what you term gods law or karma can be over ruled by mans law and the actions of man... for the simple reason that actions taken by man can prevent karma and Gods law what of those who have frustrated both God and karma via great strides in medical knowledge etc etc and yes even the laws o0f the land have frustrated both karma and Gods will so what you are saying doesn't hold up in the cold light of day it may have worked in past times as some sort of explanation for things going wrong because they knew no better they knew of no other explanations I asked you before was the Tsunami an Punishment a warning or perectly natural[in the circumstances]
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Post by ladylinda on Oct 5, 2017 10:38:55 GMT -5
No we don't. That just means punishing people who haven't even been born for sins they allegedly committed in past lives. Karma is just bullshit invented by people who use it as a tool to control people by giving them false hope and false sense of shame. Hi LadyLinda, if you really believe that Jesus saves, then there should no longer be a sense of shame. Didn't Jesus pay the price? That doesn't - and wasn't meant to - absolve us from trying to act the best we can. And if you believe that Jesus atoned for all our sins in the future as well as the past then karma is unnecessary. So either way you lose!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 5, 2017 20:48:32 GMT -5
Hi LadyLinda, if you really believe that Jesus saves, then there should no longer be a sense of shame. Didn't Jesus pay the price? That doesn't - and wasn't meant to - absolve us from trying to act the best we can. And if you believe that Jesus atoned for all our sins in the future as well as the past then karma is unnecessary. So either way you lose! Hi LadyLinda, You seem to be intent on proving me wrong. The person has to be aware of what Jesus did for them, then they should lose their sense of shame if they truly believe. As far as I am aware, you seem to be holding on to it?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2017 3:36:08 GMT -5
Well, to me the idea that the people who were murdered by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and other scumbags somehow 'deserved' their 'punishment' because of 'sins in a past life' is just so morally repugnant it disgusts me. I literally want to vomit when I hear that sort of smug, callous immorality being voiced. God wants us to love one another; karma is yet another excuse for people to justify cruelty. The whole idea literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. Hi LadyLinda, I will remind you again. If you think they are scumbags then that's how you see Jesus. You need to refresh your memory.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2017 3:47:20 GMT -5
Hi LadyLinda, if you really believe that Jesus saves, then there should no longer be a sense of shame. Didn't Jesus pay the price? That doesn't - and wasn't meant to - absolve us from trying to act the best we can. And if you believe that Jesus atoned for all our sins in the future as well as the past then karma is unnecessary. So either way you lose! Hi LadyLinda, I don't lose anything. Once a person knows that Jesus died for their sins they are supposed to go and sin no more. Why is that? If you can keep on sinning Jesus wouldn't have said that. Calling Him a scumbag is sinning for sure.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2017 4:02:10 GMT -5
Eckankar - some believe that Eckankar draws in part from the Sikh and Hindu religions, and the Sant Mat movement. Karma - origins in ancient India, karma is a key concept in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, and Taoism. Christianity has nothing to do with it. Twitchell obviously appropriated it from the east. Hi Ftetslider, We know it was taken from the east. Rebazar Tarzs lived in India and dictated his religion to Paul Twitchell as it was meant to teach those of the West the truth. Evidently Christianity is not part of that truth. Maybe that is the reason I moved on?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2017 4:19:26 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, everything is just a learning experience, which eventually leads us to spiritual evolvement. The body is just a tool for Soul whilst it is here having experiences. Knowledge, so it goes, is the cornerstone of developing one's consciousness. Nothing to do with this Soul; we've already shown that this is an entirely bogus concept, which you then declared was unimportant, anyway. A society needs organisation, the criminal law is a crucial element in that organisation. In your dimension, where the victims of rapists and murderers are apparently having a learning experience that will lead them to spiritual evolution, it must be hell. Hi Fretslider, It is Soul that will enter the Spiritual realms not the physical body. It rots and returns to the earth.!!!
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Post by mouse on Oct 11, 2017 5:24:44 GMT -5
That doesn't - and wasn't meant to - absolve us from trying to act the best we can. And if you believe that Jesus atoned for all our sins in the future as well as the past then karma is unnecessary. So either way you lose! Hi LadyLinda, You seem to be intent on proving me wrong. The person has to be aware of what Jesus did for them, then they should lose their sense of shame if they truly believe. As far as I am aware, you seem to be holding on to it? you are wrong atonement doesn't absolve any one from the shame of their past wrong doings ...
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Post by mouse on Oct 11, 2017 5:34:08 GMT -5
Well, to me the idea that the people who were murdered by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and other scumbags somehow 'deserved' their 'punishment' because of 'sins in a past life' is just so morally repugnant it disgusts me. I literally want to vomit when I hear that sort of smug, callous immorality being voiced. God wants us to love one another; karma is yet another excuse for people to justify cruelty. The whole idea literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. Hi LadyLinda, I will remind you again. If you think they are scumbags then that's how you see Jesus. You need to refresh your memory.!!! that is quite untrue... render unto god that which is Gods and unto man/state/etc that which is his ie man/state etc how you.. turn calling evil men by their correct deffinitions of killers monsters scumbags and turn it into "" that's how you see Jesus""" is an absolute illogical mystery
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