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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 30, 2017 9:32:32 GMT -5
As it does you.!!! Afterall, you answer my posts.!!! LOL. fcertainly I do... when you alledge and assert cant and poppycock Do you like answering posts that are full of poppycock?
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Post by men an tol on Nov 30, 2017 10:05:00 GMT -5
Early Christianity was quite diverse beginning with the Gnostic School of Thought which had extensive impact on the 2nd and 3rd Centuries At its heart was —direct knowledge of God—expressed in complicated myths. During the last 75 years, previously lost Gnostic writings have reappeared, from the codices found near Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945 and to the Gospel of Judas into the diversity of Gnosticism. Much of what Paul Twitchell and L. Ron Hubbard claim as unique to their made-up religions come from these sources. As stated earlier at the Heart of Gnosis was direct knowledge of God. There are also different planes of existence as well as differing Gods. Of course, those who have made a commitment to Eckankar or Scientology do not want to see the reality of these sources as such will confuse that commitment with competing concepts. That is why when faced with other perspectives those who have become acolytes to these cults turn a deaf ear to the words of others, because if they don’t do that, their acceptance of the ‘cult’s’ pronouncements will collapse as a house of cards. As usual, you are barking up the wrong tree. What Paul Twitchell was given stems way back to Creation. He was chosen to be the bearer of the truth in this day and age and it needed to be heard by Westerners. How come I have experienced these things for myself so that the teaching of ECKANKAR is familiar to me and only become aware of this religion years after my experiences when it came to my area for the first time? It was wonderful to find a religion that explained my experiences. What do you think.!!! Paul Twitchell along with L. Ron Hubbard were both con men who found away to make up a religion which made them a lot of money simply for continue to write their science fiction stories. Nothing you have stated changes that reality. As far as you gaining this great knowledge, I don't believe it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 30, 2017 10:34:27 GMT -5
As usual, you are barking up the wrong tree. What Paul Twitchell was given stems way back to Creation. He was chosen to be the bearer of the truth in this day and age and it needed to be heard by Westerners. How come I have experienced these things for myself so that the teaching of ECKANKAR is familiar to me and only become aware of this religion years after my experiences when it came to my area for the first time? It was wonderful to find a religion that explained my experiences. What do you think.!!! Paul Twitchell along with L. Ron Hubbard were both con men who found away to make up a religion which made them a lot of money simply for continue to write their science fiction stories. Nothing you have stated changes that reality. As far as you gaining this great knowledge, I don't believe it. It can't be science fiction if I was having these experiences from the time I was a child, long before Paul Twitchell was even born. I just kept it all to myself. His experiences as a seeker explained what I was shown years before. You cannot refute that fact.!!!
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Post by men an tol on Nov 30, 2017 11:23:38 GMT -5
Paul Twitchell along with L. Ron Hubbard were both con men who found away to make up a religion which made them a lot of money simply for continue to write their science fiction stories. Nothing you have stated changes that reality. As far as you gaining this great knowledge, I don't believe it. It can't be science fiction if I was having these experiences from the time I was a child, long before Paul Twitchell was even born. I just kept it all to myself. His experiences as a seeker explained what I was shown years before. You cannot refute that fact.!!! Yes I can refute and I do refute it. You cannot prove anything and haven't proven anything. I suggested that you read about Gnosticism as right after the discovery of the Gnostic codices is when L Ron Hubbard and Paul Twitchell began to promote the pretend religions. They are clearly con-men and since you tie your comments to their writings, your working with the same level of credibility, that is, none. You would be much better off to follow my advice and not address that unproven mystical claptrap to me. You are not a stupid person and surely must realize that this stuff you spout is nothing but claptrap. However, as you have been told many times, 'go right ahead and continue 'making up reality' Just remember, that when it gets too tedious for others someone will likely point out fallacies in what you post. Such as you pointing out Jesus being a Priest when he never was, and that Jesus (in your fantasy world) was wrong. At the very least he and his words were documented and all that you spout has no source backup. That is unless you begin to quote the many who wrote about Gnosticism.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 30, 2017 19:49:06 GMT -5
It can't be science fiction if I was having these experiences from the time I was a child, long before Paul Twitchell was even born. I just kept it all to myself. His experiences as a seeker explained what I was shown years before. You cannot refute that fact.!!! Yes I can refute and I do refute it. You cannot prove anything and haven't proven anything. I suggested that you read about Gnosticism as right after the discovery of the Gnostic codices is when L Ron Hubbard and Paul Twitchell began to promote the pretend religions. They are clearly con-men and since you tie your comments to their writings, your working with the same level of credibility, that is, none. You would be much better off to follow my advice and not address that unproven mystical claptrap to me. You are not a stupid person and surely must realize that this stuff you spout is nothing but claptrap. However, as you have been told many times, 'go right ahead and continue 'making up reality' Just remember, that when it gets too tedious for others someone will likely point out fallacies in what you post. Such as you pointing out Jesus being a Priest when he never was, and that Jesus (in your fantasy world) was wrong. At the very least he and his words were documented and all that you spout has no source backup. That is unless you begin to quote the many who wrote about Gnosticism. What I have to say, is neither fallacy nor claptrap. It is taken from my experiences which I then relate via my point of view. Rebazar Tarzs visited Paul Twitchell in his home and dictated what is now known as ECKANKAR the religion of Light and Sound, so it may well be Gnosticism Whatever the case may be, it is what ECKists know to be true from their own experiences. I had a similar experience of a Master appearing in my lounge. It wasn't Rebazar Tarzs, but another.!!! I looked up a dictionary and it said that a Rabbi is a Minister of Religion, I took that to mean that Jesus was a Priest. My mistake.!!! If that premise has been found to be incorrect.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 1, 2017 4:25:42 GMT -5
By Golly.!!! You are certainly a 'stick in the mud ' and a 'doubting thomas ' as well. It looks like you believe the erroneous teaching of the psychiatrists. So be it. both audio and visual hallucinations .....conditions which actually are nothing what so ever to do with psychiatrists .. Psychiatrists are the ones that diagnose whether you are mentally ill or not.
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Post by mouse on Dec 1, 2017 4:44:09 GMT -5
fcertainly I do... when you alledge and assert cant and poppycock Do you like answering posts that are full of poppycock? no not really.. however I dislike the deliberate spreading of misinformation even more
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Post by mouse on Dec 1, 2017 4:49:22 GMT -5
both audio and visual hallucinations .....conditions which actually are nothing what so ever to do with psychiatrists .. Psychiatrists are the ones that diagnose whether you are mentally ill or not. visual or audio hallucinations are not necessarily signs of mental disability in that most of the time there is no danger to the person or others and they can lead a perfectly normal life
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 1, 2017 8:46:55 GMT -5
Psychiatrists are the ones that diagnose whether you are mentally ill or not. visual or audio hallucinations are not necessarily signs of mental disability in that most of the time there is no danger to the person or others and they can lead a perfectly normal life I guess it wouldn't enter your head that visual or audio hallucinations could be God's way of communicating with His/Her/It's created creature?
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Post by men an tol on Dec 1, 2017 8:56:00 GMT -5
visual or audio hallucinations are not necessarily signs of mental disability in that most of the time there is no danger to the person or others and they can lead a perfectly normal life I guess it wouldn't enter your head that visual or audio hallucinations could be God's way of communicating with His/Her/It's created creature? Mouse can obviously speak for herself, but I will offer a thought here, that is, if there were God certainly that would be a possibility. However for that concept to have any meaning it would first have to be proven that there is such a mystical being, that is, proven in the temporal world.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 1, 2017 10:26:52 GMT -5
I guess it wouldn't enter your head that visual or audio hallucinations could be God's way of communicating with His/Her/It's created creature?[/ quote]Mouse can obviously speak for herself, but I will offer a thought here, that is, if there were God certainly that would be a possibility. However for that concept to have any meaning it would first have to be proven that there is such a mystical being, that is, proven in the temporal world. Like I said from the beginning, evidence is an individual experience.
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Post by ladylinda on Dec 1, 2017 18:07:20 GMT -5
Well, to me the idea that the people who were murdered by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and other scumbags somehow 'deserved' their 'punishment' because of 'sins in a past life' is just so morally repugnant it disgusts me. I literally want to vomit when I hear that sort of smug, callous immorality being voiced. God wants us to love one another; karma is yet another excuse for people to justify cruelty. The whole idea literally makes me feel sick to my stomach. I think your mind is deceiving you. I don't see any evidence of your love for God as you are so judgmental and spouting out your hatred for the perpetrators of the Holocaust. They are the lost ones that Jesus came to save. Don't you feel sorry for them that they have been so stupid to do what they have done? Jesus feels sorry for them. He gave His life for their sake, if you believe in the truth of the Bible? I think YOUR mind is deceiving YOU. I don't see any evidence of YOUR love for God as you sympathise NOT with the victims of the holocaust but with its perpetrators. And Christ's sacrifice did NOT give a blank cheque to all future generations to sin.
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Post by ladylinda on Dec 1, 2017 18:09:45 GMT -5
On being asked why I grieve about the past: you ask me why I cry over the past: I'll answer you in verse. from the beginning of time tears have been shed so many murders, rapes, so much enslavement and oppression; how can it be wrong to weep for those who suffered and died? if my heart bleeds, it shows that I'm alive; what clockwork robot lurks within your own? never to feel pain for the sorrow of others: such callousness is beyond all belief long after you and I have gone, even the stars above will go on weeping, and the hard rain falling upon the earth is the tears of God our Heavenly Father 'how many ears must one man have before he can hear people cry?' how many tears must be shed before they thaw the iceberg of an uncaring heart? Who says that I have an uncaring heart? I feel exactly the same as anyone else when something bad happens to someone. I am neither smug, callous or immoral. Your crying over something that cannot be changed is wasted emotion as far as I am concerned. I feel sad that it happened, but the people (Souls) that you are crying over, are still alive in another dimension and it is possible that they are already reincarnated, so there is no need for tears. They are as aware of life as you are. Soul does not die.!!! Well, all I can say is that no heart that DID care could possibly be so cavalier and dismissive of grief.
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Post by ladylinda on Dec 1, 2017 18:11:14 GMT -5
I've written a poem which I'll post tomorrow which answers your (to me) disgusting, immoral, callous and anti-life ideas on 'karma,' Scottish Lassie. In the meantime I can't disagree with single word dear Mouse has said! Lovely to have you back again by the way! As long as a person holds hate in their heart, they will be judged accordingly. The people who commit evil deeds will get what is coming to them, God will see to that, so why waste any time on these emotions that do not change one iota of what happened in the past. Rather spend time trying to rise above the erroneous vice of anger that you give vent to every now and then. Just a thought.!!! Perhaps YOU should learn to rise above your smugness, your condescension, your indifference to the suffering of others and your arrogance. All those things are bad traits in ANY person - religious or non-religious.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 1, 2017 21:42:26 GMT -5
As long as a person holds hate in their heart, they will be judged accordingly. The people who commit evil deeds will get what is coming to them, God will see to that, so why waste any time on these emotions that do not change one iota of what happened in the past. Rather spend time trying to rise above the erroneous vice of anger that you give vent to every now and then. Just a thought.!!! Perhaps YOU should learn to rise above your smugness, your condescension, your indifference to the suffering of others and your arrogance. All those things are bad traits in ANY person - religious or non-religious. Sorry to disappoint you, but your assumption as to my character is quite wrong. As God is aware of every individual's thoughts, I am a genuine spiritual person and therefore HUMBLE. God knows that.
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