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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 2, 2017 7:00:04 GMT -5
Hi Lady Linda, I am a person who is chasing my spiritual side as I love God, I am certainly not ashamed of that. I am just trying to point out what spirituality is really all about and that is believing that there are spiritual realms and we can visit them. The people with whom I am conversing do not believe this. A person cannot be spiritual if they are not experiencing this fact, they are concentrating on all things pertaining to this physical world and couldn't care less. I happen to care, which is why I am trying to let others know that there are other dimensions which we have to reach, step by step in order to spiritually evolve, therwise it doesn't happen. I'm just trying to help. I would imagine that almost every normal person has a spiritual side and has moments of deep spirituality some time in their lives the fact they do not feel the need to bang on and spout about it is because those monents are very personal to them ...and quite often people do not put labels on to moments in their lives which have deep meanings for them...and just mow and then things happen which are so intense/aweinspiring/deep they are beyond words to describe as for visiting these spiritual realms..well that's your take and for you to deal with and who are you to say a person cannot be spiritual ...and that people are only concentrating on the physical plane ... spirituality can come regardless of ones beliefe in any particular god western or otherwise ...spirituality is beyond religion..age..era..gender,,education ..learning etc spirituality is as much part of humanity as eating and sleeping....spiritualty has a history as old as mankind and is well documented Hi Mouse, Spirituality is not just a feeling that makes you feel good, it is a condition that comes with spiritual enlightenment.
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Post by kronks on Sept 2, 2017 18:15:08 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, there is nothing wrong with food gathering. The Australian Aboriginese have existed like that up until the present time when the white settlers commandeered the land. It is a simple life that is true, but sometimes that is what some people enjoy and choose to 'go bush' for a holiday away from all the hustle and bustle, not forgetting stress.!!! Life is made easier to travel distances and lots of other things, we can't deny that. I would still say that it is debatable.!!! What you don't have, you don't miss. To me looking through a glass darkly, only means that you are not seeing and understanding what life is all about. There is more to life than just the things of this physical plane. There are other dimensions of a finer substance, the physical plane being the coarsest. I have discovered this for myself. If you and others wish to stay as you are, I am alright with that, but we have been told that if we seek, we shall find, and if we ask, we shall receive. It is up to each person to call the shots.!!! so we do have the freedom to choose. Scottish Lassie, the more you post, the more you display a lack of knowledge. If we had to return to being hunter-gatherers, most of the world’s population would die with only a few million surviving. The availability of food simply wouldn’t exist. Think of the number of square miles of natural plants it would take to sustain a single family of four. Think of the available food if we simply went back 100 years in farming and the number of acres required to feed that family of four. The production of wheat was only a fraction of the amount produced today and not as good for us. Today’s production of food is based on a pyramid of technological development over hundreds, even thousands of years. Even the types of foods grown such as wheat, corn, and other basics, are plants that didn’t exist 200, even in some cases, 100 years ago. The plants of today produce more edible food, are more resistant to disease, more resistant to pests, than anything of the past. If we lived as hunter-gatherers, our use of natural products would be much higher and more expensive in terms of use as much of that has been replaced by the plastic and glass and steel industries. There would not be the availability of such natural products and we would have long ago destroyed the natural environment for such uses. For example, the number trees of North America at the time of the coming of the European, is greater today than it was then. There would be none of the technological development we have for use today. Different types of trees and planted in ever changing environments but there is more forest today than in the past. You wish to return to such times means you support the deaths of more people as people didn’t live as long and their lives were far more brutal. More children and women died in child birth and those few who grew older led terrible lives. Keep your mythological view of the world, I’ll stay with modern technology where people live a better, safer lives with people actually caring for them. By the way what I have listed here is not even a summation of the reality of the hunter gatherer world. You really should spend more time in the world that we all must live within learning its realities. This a bit of an old post but I would take issue with some of it. The total biomass on the planet has likely remained much the same, the vaiaible is warmth can CO2 levels as they increase total biomass increases. Man has merely changed the "shape" of the biomass, making it more edible to mankind as opposed to other animals, and man has decimated many other animals in number. It is a zero sum game, all the energy (food) comes from the sun. They are only two ways to increase the available food/biomass. a) increase the temperature b) increase CO2 levels. Of course the "experts" are trying to reduce both!! It is a mad world.
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 2, 2017 18:40:28 GMT -5
I would imagine that almost every normal person has a spiritual side and has moments of deep spirituality some time in their lives the fact they do not feel the need to bang on and spout about it is because those monents are very personal to them ...and quite often people do not put labels on to moments in their lives which have deep meanings for them...and just mow and then things happen which are so intense/aweinspiring/deep they are beyond words to describe as for visiting these spiritual realms..well that's your take and for you to deal with and who are you to say a person cannot be spiritual ...and that people are only concentrating on the physical plane ... spirituality can come regardless of ones beliefe in any particular god western or otherwise ...spirituality is beyond religion..age..era..gender,,education ..learning etc spirituality is as much part of humanity as eating and sleeping....spiritualty has a history as old as mankind and is well documented Hi Mouse, Spirituality is not just a feeling that makes you feel good, it is a condition that comes with spiritual enlightenment. Without humility there can be NO spiritual enlightenment.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 2, 2017 20:08:51 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, Spirituality is not just a feeling that makes you feel good, it is a condition that comes with spiritual enlightenment. Without humility there can be NO spiritual enlightenment. Hi LadyLinda, That of course means that I am humble, as I am being given spiritual enlightenment all the time. In case you didn't know, Anger is one of the negative vices that a person needs to get rid of as well as all the others. You should try harder.
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Post by men an tol on Sept 2, 2017 21:30:46 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, the more you post, the more you display a lack of knowledge. If we had to return to being hunter-gatherers, most of the world’s population would die with only a few million surviving. The availability of food simply wouldn’t exist. Think of the number of square miles of natural plants it would take to sustain a single family of four. Think of the available food if we simply went back 100 years in farming and the number of acres required to feed that family of four. The production of wheat was only a fraction of the amount produced today and not as good for us. Today’s production of food is based on a pyramid of technological development over hundreds, even thousands of years. Even the types of foods grown such as wheat, corn, and other basics, are plants that didn’t exist 200, even in some cases, 100 years ago. The plants of today produce more edible food, are more resistant to disease, more resistant to pests, than anything of the past. If we lived as hunter-gatherers, our use of natural products would be much higher and more expensive in terms of use as much of that has been replaced by the plastic and glass and steel industries. There would not be the availability of such natural products and we would have long ago destroyed the natural environment for such uses. For example, the number trees of North America at the time of the coming of the European, is greater today than it was then. There would be none of the technological development we have for use today. Different types of trees and planted in ever changing environments but there is more forest today than in the past. You wish to return to such times means you support the deaths of more people as people didn’t live as long and their lives were far more brutal. More children and women died in child birth and those few who grew older led terrible lives. Keep your mythological view of the world, I’ll stay with modern technology where people live a better, safer lives with people actually caring for them. By the way what I have listed here is not even a summation of the reality of the hunter gatherer world. You really should spend more time in the world that we all must live within learning its realities. This a bit of an old post but I would take issue with some of it. The total biomass on the planet has likely remained much the same, the vaiaible is warmth can CO2 levels as they increase total biomass increases. Man has merely changed the "shape" of the biomass, making it more edible to mankind as opposed to other animals, and man has decimated many other animals in number. It is a zero sum game, all the energy (food) comes from the sun. They are only two ways to increase the available food/biomass. a) increase the temperature b) increase CO2 levels. Of course the "experts" are trying to reduce both!! It is a mad world.
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Post by men an tol on Sept 2, 2017 21:36:59 GMT -5
Good points Kronks.
I heard a while back that the California legislature is thinking about passing a law that cows should legally be restricted to a lower level of methane production and doing that will save the planet.
Oh, if we could only be solved from politicians.
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Post by kronks on Sept 2, 2017 22:07:31 GMT -5
Good points Kronks. I heard a while back that the California legislature is thinking about passing a law that cows should legally be restricted to a lower level of methane production and doing that will save the planet. Oh, if we could only be solved from politicians. They are all nuts, the planet is doing just fine, methane disperses naturally over a over years. All big government initiative are doomed to fail it seems.
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Post by mouse on Sept 3, 2017 4:00:39 GMT -5
I would imagine that almost every normal person has a spiritual side and has moments of deep spirituality some time in their lives the fact they do not feel the need to bang on and spout about it is because those monents are very personal to them ...and quite often people do not put labels on to moments in their lives which have deep meanings for them...and just mow and then things happen which are so intense/aweinspiring/deep they are beyond words to describe as for visiting these spiritual realms..well that's your take and for you to deal with and who are you to say a person cannot be spiritual ...and that people are only concentrating on the physical plane ... spirituality can come regardless of ones beliefe in any particular god western or otherwise ...spirituality is beyond religion..age..era..gender,,education ..learning etc spirituality is as much part of humanity as eating and sleeping....spiritualty has a history as old as mankind and is well documented Hi Mouse, Spirituality is not just a feeling that makes you feel good, it is a condition that comes with spiritual enlightenment. who said spirituality makes you feel good... not me... said below ""spirituality can come regardless of ones beliefe in any particular god western or otherwise ...spirituality is beyond religion..age..era..gender,,education ..learning etc spirituality is as much part of humanity as eating and sleeping....spiritualty has a history as old as mankind and is well documented
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Post by ladylinda on Sept 3, 2017 14:37:51 GMT -5
Without humility there can be NO spiritual enlightenment. Hi LadyLinda, That of course means that I am humble, as I am being given spiritual enlightenment all the time. In case you didn't know, Anger is one of the negative vices that a person needs to get rid of as well as all the others. You should try harder. Well, if you really WERE humble you wouldn't keep telling us all how spiritually enlightened you were. So clearly you're NOT spiritually enlightened. In case you didn't know it, being patronising is one of the negative vices that a person needs to get rid of as well as all the others. You should try harder to lose it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 4, 2017 6:07:18 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, Spirituality is not just a feeling that makes you feel good, it is a condition that comes with spiritual enlightenment. who said spirituality makes you feel good... not me... said below ""spirituality can come regardless of ones beliefe in any particular god western or otherwise ...spirituality is beyond religion..age..era..gender,,education ..learning etc spirituality is as much part of humanity as eating and sleeping....spiritualty has a history as old as mankind and is well documented Hi Mouse, Spirituality has to do with Spirit and Spirit has the do with God and Spiritual realms. If a person doesn't believe in God how can he experience spirituality?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 4, 2017 6:29:34 GMT -5
Hi LadyLinda, That of course means that I am humble, as I am being given spiritual enlightenment all the time. In case you didn't know, Anger is one of the negative vices that a person needs to get rid of as well as all the others. You should try harder. Well, if you really WERE humble you wouldn't keep telling us all how spiritually enlightened you were. So clearly you're NOT spiritually enlightened. In case you didn't know it, being patronising is one of the negative vices that a person needs to get rid of as well as all the others. You should try harder to lose it. Hi LadyLinda, The way you think is very worldly, hence the reason for your ignorance. I have been chasing after God and Spirituality since I was a child, and that alone shows that I am a spiritual person. You have lived a completly different life from how I have lived and are still very worldly in your assumptions
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Post by fretslider on Sept 4, 2017 6:53:05 GMT -5
Well, if you really WERE humble you wouldn't keep telling us all how spiritually enlightened you were. Well, I would - because I am.
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Post by mouse on Sept 4, 2017 7:58:19 GMT -5
who said spirituality makes you feel good... not me... said below ""spirituality can come regardless of ones beliefe in any particular god western or otherwise ...spirituality is beyond religion..age..era..gender,,education ..learning etc spirituality is as much part of humanity as eating and sleeping....spiritualty has a history as old as mankind and is well documented Hi Mouse, Spirituality has to do with Spirit and Spirit has the do with God and Spiritual realms. If a person doesn't believe in God how can he experience spirituality? actually spirituality is older than your idea of God or the western concept of God it goes way way way back long before the Abrahamic religions etc etc and we know this because ? it is well documented...by several societies... written in stone and verbal histories and cuts across the races the world is awash with things spitiyual or passed off as spiritual but then there are always charletons and con men and had the liberary of Alexandria not been burned down deliberately .. we would know considerably more the ancient Egyptians.. Babylonions.. greeks.. the Amerind.. the Inuit... austrailian Aboriginals... Hindus islanders of the south pacific through to Nepal and Tibetand so many many more peoples
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Post by mouse on Sept 4, 2017 7:58:59 GMT -5
Well, if you really WERE humble you wouldn't keep telling us all how spiritually enlightened you were. Well, I would - because I am. cheeky
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 4, 2017 8:40:17 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, Spirituality has to do with Spirit and Spirit has the do with God and Spiritual realms. If a person doesn't believe in God how can he experience spirituality? actually spirituality is older than your idea of God or the western concept of God it goes way way way back long before the Abrahamic religions etc etc and we know this because ? it is well documented...by several societies... written in stone and verbal histories and cuts across the races the world is awash with things spitiyual or passed off as spiritual but then there are always charletons and con men and had the liberary of Alexandria not been burned down deliberately .. we would know considerably more the ancient Egyptians.. Babylonions.. greeks.. the Amerind.. the Inuit... austrailian Aboriginals... Hindus islanders of the south pacific through to Nepal and Tibetand so many many more peoples Hi Mouse, God has been communicating with people from the beginning of Creation therefore people knew about God and Spirituality.
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