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Post by mouse on Mar 3, 2017 8:39:56 GMT -5
"""Apparently in Bible times people lived to be hundreds of years old. Didn't Methuslah live to be a thousand years old?"" and apparently the world was created in 6days too...which we all know now is not exactly the truth and it took millennia after milenia what is usually not taken in to account is calender...different epoch and societies..different time scales ,, the area the old testament is about was largely moon worshiping and time was measured by the waxing..wanings and full moons ..infact the three Abrahamic religions are rooted in moon worship and have grown from that original base ..Christianity is the one that has traveled furthest away though and has become more European centred than either the Talmudic or koranic we work to a European calender man constructed...the same with daya of the week all European named in fact islam still works to a different calender as do other societies
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Post by mouse on Mar 3, 2017 8:44:56 GMT -5
""you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me."""and seem absolutely untrue to me,,because many people without civil laws would get away scot free if we all went down you beliefe road and we would all live very much poorer lives if it were not for civil laws and those in our countries have fought and protected us down the centuries ...we live our lives on the backs of those who suffered fought died invented..protested etc etc in order to provide us with better lives than the generations preceeding ours Hi Mouse, It is obvious that you are an Atheist so are never ever going to see my point of view, you are steeped in the things of this physical plane little realizing that there are spiritual dimensions as well as the physical one. Too bad.!!! Life goes on, you with your belief and I with mine. Happy Hunting .!!! no am not an atheist..i am a dont know..an agnostic..though I have to say I do veer more and more toward atheism......mostly thanks to people like you..which is rather sad don't you think you make some very big assumptions that I know nothing of spirituality... there are none so blind as those who refuse to see
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 3, 2017 22:11:37 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, It is obvious that you are an Atheist so are never ever going to see my point of view, you are steeped in the things of this physical plane little realizing that there are spiritual dimensions as well as the physical one. Too bad.!!! Life goes on, you with your belief and I with mine. Happy Hunting .!!! no am not an atheist..i am a dont know..an agnostic..though I have to say I do veer more and more toward atheism......mostly thanks to people like you..which is rather sad don't you think you make some very big assumptions that I know nothing of spirituality... there are none so blind as those who refuse to see Hi Mouse, All I have ever expounded, is that we Reap what we Sow, and to me, this is the fairest law that has ever been in existence. If you think otherwise? then you can't blame me for that. It is your lack of spiritual understanding that is causing you to make that decision. I am passing on information that I have come to believe is true, because of my spiritual experiences.These spiritual experiences are opposed to our normal physical experiences, and in order to believe them you have to believe that spiritual dimensions exist, which you evidently don't believe. What you believe is on your own shoulders, so take responsibility for them.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 3, 2017 22:42:49 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I don't decry civil laws ( the laws of the land ) Jesus thought that they were important. Just because you think that people are not reaping what they are sowing, doesn't mean that it isn't happening. I know for a fact that it IS from my own experiences. People will pay the penalty for there misdeeds at the most appropriate time that will best teach the perpetrator, so that he/she will really understand the enormity of their crime and so have learned their lesson and be absolved of some of their accrued Karma. That is how it works, ' fair dinkum.'
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 3, 2017 23:01:50 GMT -5
"""Apparently in Bible times people lived to be hundreds of years old. Didn't Methuslah live to be a thousand years old?"" and apparently the world was created in 6days too...which we all know now is not exactly the truth and it took millennia after milenia what is usually not taken in to account is calender...different epoch and societies..different time scales ,, the area the old testament is about was largely moon worshiping and time was measured by the waxing..wanings and full moons ..infact the three Abrahamic religions are rooted in moon worship and have grown from that original base ..Christianity is the one that has traveled furthest away though and has become more European centred than either the Talmudic or koranic we work to a European calender man constructed...the same with daya of the week all European named in fact islam still works to a different calender as do other societies Hi Mouse, it looks like you have done some digging it seems impossibe that you can put forward so much data off the top of your head. Which I think you did imply at one time. Any way I will go along with that, though pollution in the air we breathe and the chemicals in the food that we eat and water that we drink plus the stress of daily living. All add a reason for our short lives today. It is stipulated that a day was as a thousand years. You can take that onboard and maybe give an explanation for what is meant?
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Post by mouse on Mar 4, 2017 5:10:26 GMT -5
"""Apparently in Bible times people lived to be hundreds of years old. Didn't Methuslah live to be a thousand years old?"" and apparently the world was created in 6days too...which we all know now is not exactly the truth and it took millennia after milenia what is usually not taken in to account is calender...different epoch and societies..different time scales ,, the area the old testament is about was largely moon worshiping and time was measured by the waxing..wanings and full moons ..infact the three Abrahamic religions are rooted in moon worship and have grown from that original base ..Christianity is the one that has traveled furthest away though and has become more European centred than either the Talmudic or koranic we work to a European calender man constructed...the same with daya of the week all European named in fact islam still works to a different calender as do other societies Hi Mouse, it looks like you have done some digging it seems impossibe that you can put forward so much data off the top of your head. Which I think you did imply at one time. Any way I will go along with that, though pollution in the air we breathe and the chemicals in the food that we eat and water that we drink plus the stress of daily living. All add a reason for our short lives today. It is stipulated that a day was as a thousand years. You can take that onboard and maybe give an explanation for what is meant? no I don't need to dig for general well known data unless I need fine detail..what I have written is no big deal and needs no digging and so its not impossible to put such data forward..and I implied nothing..i spoke truely as any one who knows me will back up... other posters will be able to do exactly the same withouit any need for refference """"it seems impossibe that you can put forward so much data off the top""""certainly not impossible at all...easy peasy actually its basic knowledge we work to a different calendar its basic knowledge that the Islamic calendar is different its basic knowledge that moon worship abounded in the area and its very obvious that Christianity has become more European/western centric
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Post by mouse on Mar 4, 2017 13:55:53 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I don't decry civil laws ( the laws of the land ) Jesus thought that they were important. Just because you think that people are not reaping what they are sowing, doesn't mean that it isn't happening. I know for a fact that it IS from my own experiences. People will pay the penalty for there misdeeds at the most appropriate time that will best teach the perpetrator, so that he/she will really understand the enormity of their crime and so have learned their lesson and be absolved of some of their accrued Karma. That is how it works, ' fair dinkum.' what about those who ill never be able to understand their crimes..the sociopath..the psychopath..they are wired very differently along with many oth types of human conditions ..what of those who have been twisted and warpped by others in situation they have no control over ...things are not as simple as you like you make out between black and white there are a thousand shades of grey
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 4, 2017 16:39:22 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, I don't decry civil laws ( the laws of the land ) Jesus thought that they were important. Just because you think that people are not reaping what they are sowing, doesn't mean that it isn't happening. I know for a fact that it IS from my own experiences. People will pay the penalty for there misdeeds at the most appropriate time that will best teach the perpetrator, so that he/she will really understand the enormity of their crime and so have learned their lesson and be absolved of some of their accrued Karma. That is how it works, ' fair dinkum.' what about those who ill never be able to understand their crimes..the sociopath..the psychopath..they are wired very differently along with many oth types of human conditions ..what of those who have been twisted and warpped by others in situation they have no control over ...things are not as simple as you like you make out between black and white there are a thousand shades of grey Hi Mouse, that is not the case. Everyone will eventually know. Some people are just slower to recognize the truth.
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Post by men an tol on Mar 4, 2017 17:07:45 GMT -5
what about those who ill never be able to understand their crimes..the sociopath..the psychopath..they are wired very differently along with many oth types of human conditions ..what of those who have been twisted and warpped by others in situation they have no control over ...things are not as simple as you like you make out between black and white there are a thousand shades of grey Hi Mouse, that is not the case. Everyone will eventually know. Some people are just slower to recognize the truth. Scottish Lassie, with all due respect, that says nothing. That is like me saying something like, 'I know the real truth, you don't and you never will but believe me I know the real truth. I learned from the rabbit that lives in my backyard. Often I will go out in the evening and sit and talk to the rabbit and learn all sorts of truths.' Whether you believe the things you say or not, they only get in the way of trying to develop solid communication between people. I know, I know, I don't know Eckankar so I can't know the truth. But then you don't know my rabbit.
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Post by ladylinda on Mar 4, 2017 17:15:25 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie's 'philosophy' is, unfortunately the same 'knowledge' and 'truth' that allows terrorists and religious maniacs to oppress and kill people in the name of their beliefs.
It's got nothing to do with REAL knowledge.
And I say that as a Christian but I'm quite prepared to admit that my faith is a belief.
I have had spiritual experiences but they have led me to different conclusions.
And I certainly wouldn't lead them to make me lay down the law to other people.
Didn't Jesus say something about humility?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 4, 2017 17:34:27 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, that is not the case. Everyone will eventually know. Some people are just slower to recognize the truth. Scottish Lassie, with all due respect, that says nothing. That is like me saying something like, 'I know the real truth, you don't and you never will but believe me I know the real truth. I learned from the rabbit that lives in my backyard. Often I will go out in the evening and sit and talk to the rabbit and learn all sorts of truths.' Whether you believe the things you say or not, they only get in the way of trying to develop solid communication between people. I know, I know, I don't know Eckankar so I can't know the truth. But then you don't know my rabbit. Hi Men an tol, if you want to make light of a serious matter that is your prerogative. We all go through life just letting things happen, but we also have the opportunity to seek, which I have done all my life. I have touched on many things and in doing so, have learned a lot that I wouldn't have known had I not done that I came across ECKANKAR via an advert in the newspaper. I went along and to my surprise found that what they were promoting was what had been happening to me since I was a child. I was astounded.!!! They were able to explain what my experiences meant. No Christian leader has ever been able to explain these things, all they say is: have faith, which is believing in things unseen. ECKANKAR can explain it and it makes sense. So as far as I am concerned, It IS the truth.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 4, 2017 17:53:03 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie's 'philosophy' is, unfortunately the same 'knowledge' and 'truth' that allows terrorists and religious maniacs to oppress and kill people in the name of their beliefs. It's got nothing to do with REAL knowledge. And I say that as a Christian but I'm quite prepared to admit that my faith is a belief. I have had spiritual experiences but they have led me to different conclusions. And I certainly wouldn't lead them to make me lay down the law to other people. Didn't Jesus say something about humility? Hi LadyLinda, If you really were a spiritual person you would know that as a person gets closer to God via spiritual enlightenment, humility becomes a way of life. You have accused me of many things, none of them nice or the truth. You couldn't get a person more humble than I. What you say won't change that.!!! Just because I am sure that I have found the truth and I am letting it be known on the forums that I frequent, you keep attacking me. All I am doing is giving my view points, which I have the right to do.There is nothing that any person can do and that is think for another person. You are welcome to YOUR thoughts. May the Blessings Be.!!!
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Post by men an tol on Mar 4, 2017 18:10:56 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, with all due respect, that says nothing. That is like me saying something like, 'I know the real truth, you don't and you never will but believe me I know the real truth. I learned from the rabbit that lives in my backyard. Often I will go out in the evening and sit and talk to the rabbit and learn all sorts of truths.' Whether you believe the things you say or not, they only get in the way of trying to develop solid communication between people. I know, I know, I don't know Eckankar so I can't know the truth. But then you don't know my rabbit. Hi Men an tol, if you want to make light of a serious matter that is your prerogative. We all go through life just letting things happen, but we also have the opportunity to seek, which I have done all my life. I have touched on many things and in doing so, have learned a lot that I wouldn't have known had I not done that I came across ECKANKAR via an advert in the newspaper. I went along and to my surprise found that what they were promoting was what had been happening to me since I was a child. I was astounded.!!! They were able to explain what my experiences meant. No Christian leader has ever been able to explain these things, all they say is: have faith, which is believing in things unseen. ECKANKAR can explain it and it makes sense. So as far as I am concerned, It IS the truth. I sure that you do feel that way Scottish Lassie. I am also sure that others hare have had taken paths of learning and arrived at very different answers, some even have looked at Eckankar and rejected it. You'll obviously follow your path and others will follow their paths.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 4, 2017 18:19:01 GMT -5
That is quite true Men an tol, May the Blessings Be.!!!
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Post by ladylinda on Mar 4, 2017 18:48:01 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie's 'philosophy' is, unfortunately the same 'knowledge' and 'truth' that allows terrorists and religious maniacs to oppress and kill people in the name of their beliefs. It's got nothing to do with REAL knowledge. And I say that as a Christian but I'm quite prepared to admit that my faith is a belief. I have had spiritual experiences but they have led me to different conclusions. And I certainly wouldn't lead them to make me lay down the law to other people. Didn't Jesus say something about humility? Hi LadyLinda, If you really were a spiritual person you would know that as a person gets closer to God via spiritual enlightenment, humility becomes a way of life. You have accused me of many things, none of them nice or the truth. You couldn't get a person more humble than I. What you say won't change that.!!! Just because I am sure that I have found the truth and I am letting it be known on the forums that I frequent, you keep attacking me. All I am doing is giving my view points, which I have the right to do.There is nothing that any person can do and that is think for another person. You are welcome to YOUR thoughts. May the Blessings Be.!!! In my experience genuinely spiritual people don't go around telling other people how 'spiritual' they are. I remember when Teresa of Avila (yes, Saint Teresa) was being praised by her fellow nuns and one of them said to her: 'it must be wonderful to be like you.' Teresa answered, 'what do you think I am, a saint?' That answer alone shows WHY she WAS a saint. So try and stop boasting and being condescending to the rest of us. As Cromwell said, 'I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, consider it possible you may be wrong.'
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