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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 2, 2016 6:33:38 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, No matter what certain Leaders think of Fidel Castro he will still pay the price for his atrocities he will not get off scot free no matter what accolades he is now receiving from world leaders.
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Post by mouse on Dec 2, 2016 8:23:13 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, No matter what certain Leaders think of Fidel Castro he will still pay the price for his atrocities he will not get off scot free no matter what accolades he is now receiving from world leaders. what ? where that come from and why..and why mention my name? very odd
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 1, 2017 19:40:18 GMT -5
Hi Mouse, No matter what certain Leaders think of Fidel Castro he will still pay the price for his atrocities he will not get off scot free no matter what accolades he is now receiving from world leaders. what ? where that come from and why..and why mention my name? very odd Hi Mouse, I've just seen this post, it might have been a last post? Dec3rd so your guess is as good as mine, I don't know what it is all about either
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 1, 2017 20:05:31 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, there is nothing wrong with food gathering. The Australian Aboriginese have existed like that up until the present time when the white settlers commandeered the land. It is a simple life that is true, but sometimes that is what some people enjoy and choose to 'go bush' for a holiday away from all the hustle and bustle, not forgetting stress.!!! Life is made easier to travel distances and lots of other things, we can't deny that. I would still say that it is debatable.!!! What you don't have, you don't miss.
To me looking through a glass darkly, only means that you are not seeing and understanding what life is all about. There is more to life than just the things of this physical plane. There are other dimensions of a finer substance, the physical plane being the coarsest. I have discovered this for myself. If you and others wish to stay as you are, I am alright with that, but we have been told that if we seek, we shall find, and if we ask, we shall receive. It is up to each person to call the shots.!!! so we do have the freedom to choose.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2017 1:02:47 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I'm sure I remember answering your post, it was maybe moved because it was probably on a Trump thread. If a person is set upon they have the choice of retaliating in like manner or making a hasty retreat if you are able. Apparently ego comes to the fore, so that those who cannot bear to be thought of as cowardly, will lash out punch for punch until someone is badly hurt. In my book this is utterly stupid.
I did enrol my sons in self defence classes,Karate perhaps, I can't remember now. My daughters and myself were enrolled in Judo exercise classes, with our mats and our leotards, the boys had the appropriate uniforms. As I didn't envisage any need for self defence for my daughters and myself I opted for Judo and as boys are always stirring for a fight at the drop of a hat. I thought that would be best for them.
I see the world differently now since I became a member of ECKANKAR and am receiving more spiritual enlightenment.Which shows me quite clearly what is really important in life. The things that happen to us in physical terms is a case of cause and effect brought on by our own actions, you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me.
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Post by mouse on Mar 2, 2017 6:30:38 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, there is nothing wrong with food gathering. The Australian Aboriginese have existed like that up until the present time when the white settlers commandeered the land. It is a simple life that is true, but sometimes that is what some people enjoy and choose to 'go bush' for a holiday away from all the hustle and bustle, not forgetting stress.!!! Life is made easier to travel distances and lots of other things, we can't deny that. I would still say that it is debatable.!!! What you don't have, you don't miss. To me looking through a glass darkly, only means that you are not seeing and understanding what life is all about. There is more to life than just the things of this physical plane. There are other dimensions of a finer substance, the physical plane being the coarsest. I have discovered this for myself. receive. It is up to each person to call the shots.!!! so we do have the freedom to choose. theres nothing wrong with food gathering as long as the food is there to be gathered..and there are not too many people all wanting the food and I find it very arrogant to say """"If you and others wish to stay as you are, I am alright with that, but we have been told that if we seek, we shall find, and if we ask, we shall""""" because its not alright at all...nor does the seek and ye shall find and if we ask it will be given ..for the very simple fact its too simplistic and the planet we live on and the countries we live in are not simplistic at all but highly structured societies and going Bush for a holiday is nothing more than an paid for indulgence ...because when things go wrong its back to real life for help ..real life provided by real people with real technology coming to the rescue...the past is gone and we cannot return there...and if by some dreadful happening we were to return there.. just how many do you think would survive foraging and gathering...and how many would survive without the every day aids we take for granted...not many would survive when every cut could mean end of life and even a tooth infection could cause death it doesn't matter what looking through a glass darkly means to you..its totally irelevent ...its what is meant in the original context it was used which is what is meant and whaty you don't have you don't miss...very true but very trite...if your willing to go back to the days when length of life was mid thirties..less for a woman we all know there is more to life than we are aware of or know ..things of which we have no knowledge and no answers but as far as I know we don't all think we know the answers as for asking and being given..seeking and finding etc ..mmm that doesn't work either .. what we in the west have hasn't come about by either asking or being given or even seeking and finding...its come about via brains and brawn/sweat/toild/scholarship/death/povrety of men and women searching and searching for answers ..and continued hard work over generations ...nothing so simple as asking/seeking and finding
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Post by mouse on Mar 2, 2017 6:38:18 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I'm sure I remember answering your post, it was maybe moved because it was probably on a Trump thread. If a person is set upon they have the choice of retaliating in like manner or making a hasty retreat if you are able. Apparently ego comes to the fore, so that those who cannot bear to be thought of as cowardly, will lash out punch for punch until someone is badly hurt. In my book this is utterly stupid. I did enrol my sons in self defence classes,Karate perhaps, I can't remember now. My daughters and myself were enrolled in Judo exercise classes, with our mats and our leotards, the boys had the appropriate uniforms. As I didn't envisage any need for self defence for my daughters and myself I opted for Judo and as boys are always stirring for a fight at the drop of a hat. I thought that would be best for them. I see the world differently now since I became a member of ECKANKAR and am receiving more spiritual enlightenment.Which shows me quite clearly what is really important in life. The things that happen to us in physical terms is a case of cause and effect brought on by our own actions, you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me. ""you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me."""and seem absolutely untrue to me,,because many people without civil laws would get away scot free if we all went down you beliefe road and we would all live very much poorer lives if it were not for civil laws and those in our countries have fought and protected us down the centuries ...we live our lives on the backs of those who suffered fought died invented..protested etc etc in order to provide us with better lives than the generations preceeding ours
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Post by men an tol on Mar 2, 2017 8:03:25 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, there is nothing wrong with food gathering. The Australian Aboriginese have existed like that up until the present time when the white settlers commandeered the land. It is a simple life that is true, but sometimes that is what some people enjoy and choose to 'go bush' for a holiday away from all the hustle and bustle, not forgetting stress.!!! Life is made easier to travel distances and lots of other things, we can't deny that. I would still say that it is debatable.!!! What you don't have, you don't miss. To me looking through a glass darkly, only means that you are not seeing and understanding what life is all about. There is more to life than just the things of this physical plane. There are other dimensions of a finer substance, the physical plane being the coarsest. I have discovered this for myself. If you and others wish to stay as you are, I am alright with that, but we have been told that if we seek, we shall find, and if we ask, we shall receive. It is up to each person to call the shots.!!! so we do have the freedom to choose. Scottish Lassie, the more you post, the more you display a lack of knowledge. If we had to return to being hunter-gatherers, most of the world’s population would die with only a few million surviving. The availability of food simply wouldn’t exist. Think of the number of square miles of natural plants it would take to sustain a single family of four. Think of the available food if we simply went back 100 years in farming and the number of acres required to feed that family of four. The production of wheat was only a fraction of the amount produced today and not as good for us. Today’s production of food is based on a pyramid of technological development over hundreds, even thousands of years. Even the types of foods grown such as wheat, corn, and other basics, are plants that didn’t exist 200, even in some cases, 100 years ago. The plants of today produce more edible food, are more resistant to disease, more resistant to pests, than anything of the past. If we lived as hunter-gatherers, our use of natural products would be much higher and more expensive in terms of use as much of that has been replaced by the plastic and glass and steel industries. There would not be the availability of such natural products and we would have long ago destroyed the natural environment for such uses. For example, the number trees of North America at the time of the coming of the European, is greater today than it was then. There would be none of the technological development we have for use today. Different types of trees and planted in ever changing environments but there is more forest today than in the past. You wish to return to such times means you support the deaths of more people as people didn’t live as long and their lives were far more brutal. More children and women died in child birth and those few who grew older led terrible lives. Keep your mythological view of the world, I’ll stay with modern technology where people live a better, safer lives with people actually caring for them. By the way what I have listed here is not even a summation of the reality of the hunter gatherer world. You really should spend more time in the world that we all must live within learning its realities.
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Post by fretslider on Mar 2, 2017 8:24:54 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I'm sure I remember answering your post, it was maybe moved because it was probably on a Trump thread. If a person is set upon they have the choice of retaliating in like manner or making a hasty retreat if you are able. Apparently ego comes to the fore, so that those who cannot bear to be thought of as cowardly, will lash out punch for punch until someone is badly hurt. In my book this is utterly stupid. I did enrol my sons in self defence classes,Karate perhaps, I can't remember now. My daughters and myself were enrolled in Judo exercise classes, with our mats and our leotards, the boys had the appropriate uniforms. As I didn't envisage any need for self defence for my daughters and myself I opted for Judo and as boys are always stirring for a fight at the drop of a hat. I thought that would be best for them. I see the world differently now since I became a member of ECKANKAR and am receiving more spiritual enlightenment.Which shows me quite clearly what is really important in life. The things that happen to us in physical terms is a case of cause and effect brought on by our own actions, you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me. You seem to have a lot of issues to work through. Good luck.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2017 9:00:39 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, there is nothing wrong with food gathering. The Australian Aboriginese have existed like that up until the present time when the white settlers commandeered the land. It is a simple life that is true, but sometimes that is what some people enjoy and choose to 'go bush' for a holiday away from all the hustle and bustle, not forgetting stress.!!! Life is made easier to travel distances and lots of other things, we can't deny that. I would still say that it is debatable.!!! What you don't have, you don't miss. To me looking through a glass darkly, only means that you are not seeing and understanding what life is all about. There is more to life than just the things of this physical plane. There are other dimensions of a finer substance, the physical plane being the coarsest. I have discovered this for myself. receive. It is up to each person to call the shots.!!! so we do have the freedom to choose. theres nothing wrong with food gathering as long as the food is there to be gathered..and there are not too many people all wanting the food and I find it very arrogant to say """"If you and others wish to stay as you are, I am alright with that, but we have been told that if we seek, we shall find, and if we ask, we shall""""" because its not alright at all...nor does the seek and ye shall find and if we ask it will be given ..for the very simple fact its too simplistic and the planet we live on and the countries we live in are not simplistic at all but highly structured societies and going Bush for a holiday is nothing more than an paid for indulgence ...because when things go wrong its back to real life for help ..real life provided by real people with real technology coming to the rescue...the past is gone and we cannot return there...and if by some dreadful happening we were to return there.. just how many do you think would survive foraging and gathering...and how many would survive without the every day aids we take for granted...not many would survive when every cut could mean end of life and even a tooth infection could cause death it doesn't matter what looking through a glass darkly means to you..its totally irelevent ...its what is meant in the original context it was used which is what is meant and whaty you don't have you don't miss...very true but very trite...if your willing to go back to the days when length of life was mid thirties..less for a woman we all know there is more to life than we are aware of or know ..things of which we have no knowledge and no answers but as far as I know we don't all think we know the answers as for asking and being given..seeking and finding etc ..mmm that doesn't work either .. what we in the west have hasn't come about by either asking or being given or even seeking and finding...its come about via brains and brawn/sweat/toild/scholarship/death/povrety of men and women searching and searching for answers ..and continued hard work over generations ...nothing so simple as asking/seeking and finding Hi Mouse, we know that life changes as we learn things and all these changes go to making life on the whole much easier, I hear people complaining of the stress of living, so life today has a downside as well. Apparently in Bible times people lived to be hundreds of years old. Didn't Methuslah live to be a thousand years old? Anyway, the things that we are told to seek are spiritual truths, the same goes for ask and ye shall receive it is SPIRITUAL TRUTHS not material things. Though strange to say, sometimes I just have to think of something and it comes my way, so it works for me. It seems that anyone who puts something different on the table to be perused deserves to be attacked, like they did to well known men in the past.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2017 9:16:01 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I'm sure I remember answering your post, it was maybe moved because it was probably on a Trump thread. If a person is set upon they have the choice of retaliating in like manner or making a hasty retreat if you are able. Apparently ego comes to the fore, so that those who cannot bear to be thought of as cowardly, will lash out punch for punch until someone is badly hurt. In my book this is utterly stupid. I did enrol my sons in self defence classes,Karate perhaps, I can't remember now. My daughters and myself were enrolled in Judo exercise classes, with our mats and our leotards, the boys had the appropriate uniforms. As I didn't envisage any need for self defence for my daughters and myself I opted for Judo and as boys are always stirring for a fight at the drop of a hat. I thought that would be best for them. I see the world differently now since I became a member of ECKANKAR and am receiving more spiritual enlightenment.Which shows me quite clearly what is really important in life. The things that happen to us in physical terms is a case of cause and effect brought on by our own actions, you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me. ""you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me."""and seem absolutely untrue to me,,because many people without civil laws would get away scot free if we all went down you beliefe road and we would all live very much poorer lives if it were not for civil laws and those in our countries have fought and protected us down the centuries ...we live our lives on the backs of those who suffered fought died invented..protested etc etc in order to provide us with better lives than the generations preceeding ours Hi Mouse, It is obvious that you are an Atheist so are never ever going to see my point of view, you are steeped in the things of this physical plane little realizing that there are spiritual dimensions as well as the physical one. Too bad.!!! Life goes on, you with your belief and I with mine. Happy Hunting .!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2017 11:35:24 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, there is nothing wrong with food gathering. The Australian Aboriginese have existed like that up until the present time when the white settlers commandeered the land. It is a simple life that is true, but sometimes that is what some people enjoy and choose to 'go bush' for a holiday away from all the hustle and bustle, not forgetting stress.!!! Life is made easier to travel distances and lots of other things, we can't deny that. I would still say that it is debatable.!!! What you don't have, you don't miss. To me looking through a glass darkly, only means that you are not seeing and understanding what life is all about. There is more to life than just the things of this physical plane. There are other dimensions of a finer substance, the physical plane being the coarsest. I have discovered this for myself. If you and others wish to stay as you are, I am alright with that, but we have been told that if we seek, we shall find, and if we ask, we shall receive. It is up to each person to call the shots.!!! so we do have the freedom to choose. Scottish Lassie, the more you post, the more you display a lack of knowledge. If we had to return to being hunter-gatherers, most of the world’s population would die with only a few million surviving. The availability of food simply wouldn’t exist. Think of the number of square miles of natural plants it would take to sustain a single family of four. Think of the available food if we simply went back 100 years in farming and the number of acres required to feed that family of four. The production of wheat was only a fraction of the amount produced today and not as good for us. Today’s production of food is based on a pyramid of technological development over hundreds, even thousands of years. Even the types of foods grown such as wheat, corn, and other basics, are plants that didn’t exist 200, even in some cases, 100 years ago. The plants of today produce more edible food, are more resistant to disease, more resistant to pests, than anything of the past. If we lived as hunter-gatherers, our use of natural products would be much higher and more expensive in terms of use as much of that has been replaced by the plastic and glass and steel industries. There would not be the availability of such natural products and we would have long ago destroyed the natural environment for such uses. For example, the number trees of North America at the time of the coming of the European, is greater today than it was then. There would be none of the technological development we have for use today. Different types of trees and planted in ever changing environments but there is more forest today than in the past. You wish to return to such times means you support the deaths of more people as people didn’t live as long and their lives were far more brutal. More children and women died in child birth and those few who grew older led terrible lives. Keep your mythological view of the world, I’ll stay with modern technology where people live a better, safer lives with people actually caring for them. By the way what I have listed here is not even a summation of the reality of the hunter gatherer world. You really should spend more time in the world that we all must live within learning its realities. Hi Men an tol, at no time did I say that I wished to return to these days, so you are misquoting me as you so often do without seeminly realising it. I said there wasn't much wrong with it. As a child I used to go to the hills where a whole lot of different berry bushes were growing. My friends and I would gorge ourselves and take some home to make jam. We did that year after year and there was always plenty to go around, no problem.!!!
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Post by men an tol on Mar 2, 2017 11:45:10 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie, the more you post, the more you display a lack of knowledge. If we had to return to being hunter-gatherers, most of the world’s population would die with only a few million surviving. The availability of food simply wouldn’t exist. Think of the number of square miles of natural plants it would take to sustain a single family of four. Think of the available food if we simply went back 100 years in farming and the number of acres required to feed that family of four. The production of wheat was only a fraction of the amount produced today and not as good for us. Today’s production of food is based on a pyramid of technological development over hundreds, even thousands of years. Even the types of foods grown such as wheat, corn, and other basics, are plants that didn’t exist 200, even in some cases, 100 years ago. The plants of today produce more edible food, are more resistant to disease, more resistant to pests, than anything of the past. If we lived as hunter-gatherers, our use of natural products would be much higher and more expensive in terms of use as much of that has been replaced by the plastic and glass and steel industries. There would not be the availability of such natural products and we would have long ago destroyed the natural environment for such uses. For example, the number trees of North America at the time of the coming of the European, is greater today than it was then. There would be none of the technological development we have for use today. Different types of trees and planted in ever changing environments but there is more forest today than in the past. You wish to return to such times means you support the deaths of more people as people didn’t live as long and their lives were far more brutal. More children and women died in child birth and those few who grew older led terrible lives. Keep your mythological view of the world, I’ll stay with modern technology where people live a better, safer lives with people actually caring for them. By the way what I have listed here is not even a summation of the reality of the hunter gatherer world. You really should spend more time in the world that we all must live within learning its realities. Hi Men an tol, at no time did I say that I wished to return to these days, so you are misquoting me as you so often do without seeminly realising it. I said there wasn't much wrong with it. As a child I used to go to the hills where a whole lot of different berry bushes were growing. My friends and I would gorge ourselves and take some home to make jam. We did that year after year and there was always plenty to go around, no problem.!!! Hunter gatherer societies are not children playing a picking berries. Nor is it adults off on the lark of a holiday. Being a hunter gatherer is a full-time job to survive. If you are putting your childhood experiences as the definition of being a hunter gatherer, you are way off base. No, you did not say it directly, but intimated it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2017 11:49:57 GMT -5
Hi Fretslider, I'm sure I remember answering your post, it was maybe moved because it was probably on a Trump thread. If a person is set upon they have the choice of retaliating in like manner or making a hasty retreat if you are able. Apparently ego comes to the fore, so that those who cannot bear to be thought of as cowardly, will lash out punch for punch until someone is badly hurt. In my book this is utterly stupid. I did enrol my sons in self defence classes,Karate perhaps, I can't remember now. My daughters and myself were enrolled in Judo exercise classes, with our mats and our leotards, the boys had the appropriate uniforms. As I didn't envisage any need for self defence for my daughters and myself I opted for Judo and as boys are always stirring for a fight at the drop of a hat. I thought that would be best for them. I see the world differently now since I became a member of ECKANKAR and am receiving more spiritual enlightenment.Which shows me quite clearly what is really important in life. The things that happen to us in physical terms is a case of cause and effect brought on by our own actions, you reap what you sow. It seems pretty clear to me. You seem to have a lot of issues to work through. Good luck. Hi Fretslider, Life is Easy Peasy with few issues to talk about. May the Blessings Be.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2017 12:04:18 GMT -5
Hi Men an tol, It is still along the same lines, as that is what the Aboriginal people still do to a certain extent and they live in the 'bush' the Australian Outback. Hunter Gatherers may stay thin, but would have no problem staying alive. I definitely didn't say I wish to live away back then and I didn't imply it.!!! You always seem to try to put words in my mouth, so it is you who are way off track.
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