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Post by akamai on Mar 11, 2012 11:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by markindurham on Mar 11, 2012 13:21:29 GMT -5
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Post by beth on Mar 11, 2012 13:54:56 GMT -5
Wait.
He had a mental breakdown but still had his wits about him when it came to disposing of the bodies and destroying evidence?
I wonder how far that would have gotten him if it had been a civilian crime.
Are the standards different when military personnel claim a mental breakdown?
Should they be?
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Post by akamai on Mar 11, 2012 13:56:16 GMT -5
In this case, many are responsible, or should be. This soldier should be publicly put to death in Afghanistan as soon as possible, and those who are in command of him should be diciplined for their unawareness of the situation before it happened. In the military, there are MANY who should never be armed, yet they are. Akamai
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 16:48:27 GMT -5
In the military, as in civilian life, there are those who simply should not be in the positions they hold.
This is true not only in combat arms, but other areas as well.
A man in my basic training flight had five years communications experience with Western Union - applied for job as radio operator. The Air Force said he had no talent for it . . . .
Closer to the subject matter was another man who was given the job of Security Policeman - yet he had a morbid fear of firearms. In that case - the idiot(s) who assigned him his duties should be brought up short - as well as the recruiters who let him in.
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Post by akamai on Mar 11, 2012 18:20:40 GMT -5
In the military, as in civilian life, there are those who simply should not be in the positions they hold. This is true not only in combat arms, but other areas as well. A man in my basic training flight had five years communications experience with Western Union - applied for job as radio operator. The Air Force said he had no talent for it . . . . Closer to the subject matter was another man who was given the job of Security Policeman - yet he had a morbid fear of firearms. In that case - the idiot(s) who assigned him his duties should be brought up short - as well as the recruiters who let him in. Hi Lewis, The military is full of ineptness from top to bottom, but we seem to win the wars, and when I was in, sometimes I wondered how? There are some who are qualified in what they do, in fact most are. What they need to do, is weed out the deadwood and ineptness. Sometimes, they have a rift, which removes those they cannot use anymore, but I saw some lifers who were out of shape, and only collecting their monthly incomes. If they were sent to war, they wouldn't survive a week. I got out after my first enlistment because of the fact that I saw too much ineptness, and too much discrimination. I have no regrets in enlisting, and I have no regrets in getting my HD when my enlistment was up. Of course, the commitment to our country then, was 6 years, and I served a few months more than 3 of my 3 year enlismtent. I was extended past my ETS so I could train my replacement. BTW, if you served in Nam, you would be able to get a disability of at least 50% because you have a heart condition. They recently added it to Agent Orange exposure, along with diabetes and cancer. Akamai
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Post by akamai on Mar 11, 2012 18:23:21 GMT -5
Wait. He had a mental breakdown but still had his wits about him when it came to disposing of the bodies and destroying evidence? I wonder how far that would have gotten him if it had been a civilian crime. Are the standards different when military personnel claim a mental breakdown? Should they be? Hi Beth, When a person "snaps", you can expect just about anything and everything. Sometimes, they do some "reasonable" things, and sometimes they get absurd. Some will self-destruct and commit suicide, and some will murder. Some will even eat their own feces. Akamai
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Post by markindurham on Mar 12, 2012 1:51:49 GMT -5
It's now being reported that this bloke was a SEAL staff sergeant; a married father of three - so no recent recruit then. It makes it even worse, in my mind
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Post by akamai on Mar 12, 2012 2:11:59 GMT -5
It's now being reported that this bloke was a SEAL staff sergeant; a married father of three - so no recent recruit then. It makes it even worse, in my mind Yes it is worse. If he was a Seal, he was in the Navy. The military should be monitoring every individual to prevent this kind of thing, which they didn't. Again, ineptness on someone's part. Akamai
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Post by mouse on Mar 12, 2012 4:39:32 GMT -5
well what ever...the consequences will not be good for many of the troops out there...and much hypocrasy will be mouthed
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Post by akamai on Mar 12, 2012 12:07:02 GMT -5
well what ever...the consequences will not be good for many of the troops out there...and much hypocrasy will be mouthed Correct.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 11:56:52 GMT -5
No, Akamai -
I was overseas on my second or third hitch when I first heard about Viet Nam. Applied twice, got sent neither time because of technicalities. I've always felt that I shorted my fellow troops by not going ... but then I got to play in the Libyan sand box, and that wasn't real nice either.
The disability would make no difference. I in fact DO have a disability - but when you're retired for length of service, your disability pension comes out of your retired pension. They take it out of one pocket and put it back in another . . .
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Post by akamai on Mar 13, 2012 12:18:15 GMT -5
No, Akamai - I was overseas on my second or third hitch when I first heard about Viet Nam. Applied twice, got sent neither time because of technicalities. I've always felt that I shorted my fellow troops by not going ... but then I got to play in the Libyan sand box, and that wasn't real nice either. The disability would make no difference. I in fact DO have a disability - but when you're retired for length of service, your disability pension comes out of your retired pension. They take it out of one pocket and put it back in another . . . Hi Lewis, In addition to your pension, I believe you are qualified for a disability check. With the amount of service that you have, and the time that you served, I am sure you must have some high frequency hearing loss, and possibly Tinnitus (Consistant ringing in your ears), and you do not have to be a Nam vet to qualify for that. This would be in addition to your pension. If you were in Nam, you would qualify for "Agent Orange Exposure" even if you spent only ONE day there. That would cover heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and some other ailments. Being married, your wife should qualify for some compensation also. www.military.com/benefits/content/veterans-health-care/va-disability-compensation-rates.htmlCheck with your VA office where you are at. You served our country, and you deserve whatever you can get as far as money that our government is willing to give you. Akamai
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 12:42:36 GMT -5
Nope - no dual comp.
No need to check with the VA - I had many duties, and one of them was unit pay clerk.
The only benefits the disability buys you, is it's tax free and gives you a preference in hiring for the post office (or similar government service).
All of which comes to naught, because at my income level I don't pay a whole lot of tax and, as I'm now pushing 78, I 'm not interested in a job.
I thought about a position as a gigolo, but my wife vetoed the idea.
But, I appreciate the encouragement . . .
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Post by akamai on Mar 13, 2012 16:36:01 GMT -5
Nope - no dual comp. No need to check with the VA - I had many duties, and one of them was unit pay clerk. The only benefits the disability buys you, is it's tax free and gives you a preference in hiring for the post office (or similar government service). All of which comes to naught, because at my income level I don't pay a whole lot of tax and, as I'm now pushing 78, I 'm not interested in a job. I thought about a position as a gigolo, but my wife vetoed the idea. But, I appreciate the encouragement . . . Hi Lewis, What you are claiming doesn't seem fair to me. I spent 3 years and 3 months of active duty then took my HD and got out with a "Good Conduct" medal, and at first, I was collecting 30% disability because of my hearing loss which was $435 per month. Then, they included heart disease as one of the ailments due to Agent Orange exposure in Nam, so I got my disability raised to 60%, which is now $1102 per month, which came in handy when I retired. Not only that, I get all of my prescriptions free now, when I used to pay $9 per prescription per month when I was at 30%. If you are only drawing your retirement pension and social security, I would say you are getting ripped off being a retired veteran. Akamai
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