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Post by akamai on Nov 1, 2011 13:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 13:35:16 GMT -5
Safeway is picking up a lot of negative publicity, but this lady either has to be dishonest or stupid. I'm with Safeway. Commit a crime, be treated like a criminal.
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Post by maggie on Nov 1, 2011 13:38:21 GMT -5
Seems a bit OTT. They appear to be genuine when they said they forgot - especially considering that they paid for the rest of their shopping and offered to pay for the sandwiches. Stupid yes, dishonest, don't think so.
To put their daughter through that ordeal seems cruel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 13:40:41 GMT -5
Seems a bit OTT. They appear to be genuine when they said they forgot - especially considering that they paid for the rest of their shopping and offered to pay for the sandwiches. Stupid yes, dishonest, don't think so. To put their daughter through that ordeal seems cruel. It's a clear case of shoplifting, pure and simple.
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Post by maggie on Nov 1, 2011 13:47:29 GMT -5
Seems a bit OTT. They appear to be genuine when they said they forgot - especially considering that they paid for the rest of their shopping and offered to pay for the sandwiches. Stupid yes, dishonest, don't think so. To put their daughter through that ordeal seems cruel. It's a clear case of shoplifting, pure and simple. She was stupid imo. She should not have opened the sandwich, ate it, saving the wrapper to be scanned at the register later. If she genuinely forgot, does that make her a shoplifter. When one of my sons was about 3, we were going through the checkout at a supermarket. I finished packing my shopping and was just about to pay when the cashier said to me "and are you going to pay for the Mars Bar?" I said, what Mars Bar? And there was my son, sitting in the trolley seat eating a Mars Bar that he had picked up from the display at the front of the checkout. Now if she hadn't noticed (I hadn't) would I be a criminal?
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Post by fretslider on Nov 1, 2011 13:48:29 GMT -5
Still settling in, they ventured out Wednesday to stock up on groceries, took the bus, got lost, and ended up at a Safeway supermarket.
They went out to stock up on groceries and they ended up at a supermarket. The middle bit doesn't make much sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 13:52:41 GMT -5
If she genuinely forgot, does that make her a shoplifter. Yes, it does. Intent doesn't matter. Taking merchandise that isn't yours is theft either way. And there was my son, sitting in the trolley seat eating a Mars Bar that he had picked up from the display at the front of the checkout. Now if she hadn't noticed (I hadn't) would I be a criminal? Yes, of course. Where is it written that theft isn't theft if nice people do it?
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Post by maggie on Nov 1, 2011 14:08:03 GMT -5
If she genuinely forgot, does that make her a shoplifter. Yes, it does. Intent doesn't matter. Taking merchandise that isn't yours is theft either way. And there was my son, sitting in the trolley seat eating a Mars Bar that he had picked up from the display at the front of the checkout. Now if she hadn't noticed (I hadn't) would I be a criminal? Yes, of course. Where is it written that theft isn't theft if nice people do it? Some years ago, a TV presenter was caught walking out of a supermarket with unpaid for wine. He "forgot" to pay for it. It went to trial, he was acquited. So it wasn't theft in his case.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 14:18:53 GMT -5
Some years ago, a TV presenter was caught walking out of a supermarket with unpaid for wine. He "forgot" to pay for it. It went to trial, he was acquitted. So it wasn't theft in his case. An acquitted thief is still a thief.
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Post by ladylinda on Nov 1, 2011 14:32:16 GMT -5
Not so sure it's cut and dried either way. Sure, a lot of shoplifting goes on and obviously if she was guilty then she'd deserve to be punished.
On the other hand, if you've already paid 50 dollars for the rest of your shopping it looks more like a case of stupidity to me.
There's no doubt IMO that the reaction both by the store and the authorities was well over the top.
Somehow in life it seems the real criminals - the Mr Bigs of the crime world - never get punished while the small fry get done for little stuff.
Pity the law isn't more geared towards common sense and fairness!
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Post by maggie on Nov 1, 2011 14:41:56 GMT -5
Things aren't always black and white. Acquitted means innocent. Me and Joseph will have to agree to disagree!
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Post by ladylinda on Nov 1, 2011 14:43:58 GMT -5
Some years ago, a TV presenter was caught walking out of a supermarket with unpaid for wine. He "forgot" to pay for it. It went to trial, he was acquitted. So it wasn't theft in his case. An acquitted thief is still a thief. That's a strange attitude, Joe. Leaving aside the question of the specific case (where the person may or may not have been intending to steal) if a court of law finds you not guilty then you're (in the eyes of the law) NOT a thief. Aren't you always saying that the law is always right even if it's wrong?
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Post by akamai on Nov 1, 2011 14:53:43 GMT -5
Safeway is picking up a lot of negative publicity, but this lady either has to be dishonest or stupid. I'm with Safeway. Commit a crime, be treated like a criminal. I agree. Absent minded or not, it is a crime to shoplift. This person had no business eating in the store, especially eating something that is being sold there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 14:57:00 GMT -5
Leaving aside the question of the specific case (where the person may or may not have been intending to steal) if a court of law finds you not guilty then you're (in the eyes of the law) NOT a thief. Only in the eyes of the law. That's all. Aren't you always saying that the law is always right even if it's wrong? When it comes to shoplifting, yes, since it's fairly easy to prove. You're guilty, absent a receipt proving you purchased an item. The legal presumption of guilt also applies in traffic court.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 14:57:28 GMT -5
Things aren't always black and white. Acquitted means innocent. Me and Joseph will have to agree to disagree! Acquitted means not guilty. It doesn't mean innocent.
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