Tempus Fugit
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Mar 3, 2013 15:32:10 GMT -5
You reckon? I seem to recall an investigative journalist team working for Channel 4 turning up some disturbing evidence of the practices that go on within mosques in this country and the police tried to prosecute them.
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Mar 3, 2013 15:35:59 GMT -5
I rather suspect that "express" actually means "impose," given the well-documented advocacies of islamists.
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Post by mouse on Mar 4, 2013 3:36:29 GMT -5
funny how the suporters of islam and muslims behaviours never have an answer to these incidents across europe and the globe....much hot air and denials of reality the ""it couldnt happen here"" cry gets weaker and weaker well yes it could happen here and is already happening here and still the apeasers have their heads up islamic arces the facist cult is on the march and seems to be winning .....the murdered van gogh... and MP gert wilders so reviled only a couple of years ago..... is now not the lone voice of europe as europes MP,s realise the reality and size of the threat not only from islam but from the righton/multiculturist/limp wristed rightons/ and liberalista the enemy within
the genie is out of the bottle and will never be put back in...trouble and more trouble ahead and it could ALL have been avoided that is the real crime it could all have been avoided if our politos had had more backbone..a greater knowledge of history
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Post by Soulman on Mar 4, 2013 15:14:23 GMT -5
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Post by mouse on Mar 5, 2013 2:41:17 GMT -5
i hadnt seen that soulman..beyond appalling...have seen the list below....of course it is odudious to those who think we will all sit holding hands singing kumbyah but what these inbred inghrates did is awful...were they ever caught and punished and if not why not...and what sort of thinking bans it off utube.....it should be required viewing to all governments with heads stuck up backside.....its no use being liberal with a deadly virus....because it will kioll you in the end
As long as the Muslim population remains under 2% in any given country, they will, for the most part, be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States -- 0.6% Muslim Australia -- 1.5% Muslim Canada -- 1.9% Muslim China -- 1.8% Muslim Italy -- 1.5% Muslim Norway -- 1.8% Muslim
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize to other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from prisons and street gangs. This is happening in: Denmark -- 2% Muslim Germany -- 3.7% Muslim United Kingdom -- 2.7% Muslim Spain -- 4% Muslim Thailand -- 4.6% Muslim
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France -- 8% Muslim Philippines -- 5% Muslim Sweden -- 5% Muslim Switzerland -- 4.3% Muslim The Netherlands -- 5.5% Muslim Trinidad & Tobago -- 5.8% Muslim
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Shari'ah, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Shari'ah law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Guyana -- 10% Muslim India -- 13.4% Muslim Israel -- 16% Muslim Kenya -- 10% Muslim Russia -- 15% Muslim
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, as in:
Ethiopia -- 32.8% Muslim
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, as in:
Bosnia -- 40% Muslim Chad -- 53.1% Muslim Lebanon -- 59.7% Muslim
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Shariah Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels (yes, there really is such a thing) as in:
Albania -- 70% Muslim Malaysia -- 60.4% Muslim Qatar -- 77.5% Muslim Sudan -- 70% Muslim
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- 83% Muslim Egypt -- 90% Muslim Gaza -- 98.7% Muslim Indonesia -- 86.1% Muslim Iran -- 98% Muslim Iraq -- 97% Muslim Jordan -- 92% Muslim Morocco -- 98.7% Muslim Pakistan -- 97% Muslim Palestine -- 99% Muslim Syria -- 90% Muslim Tajikistan -- 90% Muslim Turkey -- 99.8% Muslim United Arab Emirates -- 96% Muslim
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here, there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, as in: Afghanistan -- 100% Muslim Saudi Arabia -- 100% Muslim Somalia -- 100% Muslim Yemen -- 100% Muslim
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states, the most radical Muslims intimidate, spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims for a variety of reasons.
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Post by fretslider on Mar 5, 2013 3:10:00 GMT -5
i hadnt seen that soulman..beyond appalling...have seen the list below....of course it is odudious to those who think we will all sit holding hands singing kumbyah but what these inbred inghrates did is awful...were they ever caught and punished and if not why not...and what sort of thinking bans it off utube.....it should be required viewing to all governments with heads stuck up backside.....its no use being liberal with a deadly virus....because it will kioll you in the end As long as the Muslim population remains under 2% in any given country, they will, for the most part, be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States -- 0.6% Muslim Australia -- 1.5% Muslim Canada -- 1.9% Muslim China -- 1.8% Muslim Italy -- 1.5% Muslim Norway -- 1.8% Muslim At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize to other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from prisons and street gangs. This is happening in: Denmark -- 2% Muslim Germany -- 3.7% Muslim United Kingdom -- 2.7% Muslim Spain -- 4% Muslim Thailand -- 4.6% Muslim From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France -- 8% Muslim Philippines -- 5% Muslim Sweden -- 5% Muslim Switzerland -- 4.3% Muslim The Netherlands -- 5.5% Muslim Trinidad & Tobago -- 5.8% Muslim At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Shari'ah, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Shari'ah law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Guyana -- 10% Muslim India -- 13.4% Muslim Israel -- 16% Muslim Kenya -- 10% Muslim Russia -- 15% Muslim After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, as in: Ethiopia -- 32.8% Muslim At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, as in: Bosnia -- 40% Muslim Chad -- 53.1% Muslim Lebanon -- 59.7% Muslim From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Shariah Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels (yes, there really is such a thing) as in: Albania -- 70% Muslim Malaysia -- 60.4% Muslim Qatar -- 77.5% Muslim Sudan -- 70% Muslim After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: Bangladesh -- 83% Muslim Egypt -- 90% Muslim Gaza -- 98.7% Muslim Indonesia -- 86.1% Muslim Iran -- 98% Muslim Iraq -- 97% Muslim Jordan -- 92% Muslim Morocco -- 98.7% Muslim Pakistan -- 97% Muslim Palestine -- 99% Muslim Syria -- 90% Muslim Tajikistan -- 90% Muslim Turkey -- 99.8% Muslim United Arab Emirates -- 96% Muslim 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here, there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, as in: Afghanistan -- 100% Muslim Saudi Arabia -- 100% Muslim Somalia -- 100% Muslim Yemen -- 100% Muslim Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states, the most radical Muslims intimidate, spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims for a variety of reasons. The Canadians have had some 'issues' with the ROP..... Muslim women hoping to become Canadian citizens will have to remove their face coverings when taking the citizenship oath, according to Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism Minister Jason Kenney. Speaking to reporters, Kenney noted that “the citizenship oath is a quintessentially public act. It is a public declaration that you are joining the Canadian family and it must be taken freely and openly” www.care2.com/causes/canada-bans-niqab-and-burka-at-citizenship-oath.html#ixzz2MePaedUyBut then Canada has banned Greenviolence as a terrorist organisation and poked two fingers up to the carbon scam. If only we had a government like that.
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Post by mouse on Mar 5, 2013 3:57:10 GMT -5
if only BUT i gather its one of the prefered places on the go to list for the peaceful ones and they have had problems every now and then i wonder just how strong the urge to wear the face coverings and modesty is when they actually have to remove it ? and of course it really solves nothing as they will put it back on and Canadian born muslims will continue to cock a snock at custom and practise in every day life
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Post by ladylinda on Mar 5, 2013 17:46:32 GMT -5
Never mind pontificating and obfuscating - the initial question was, has any country which is not naturally islamic been subject to an influx of muslims who have not subsequently attempted to change said country to suit their wants, by force if necessary; where there has been no trouble between the indigenous population and the incomers. Also, following on from that, as you have brought it up, kindly furnish an example of how the incoming islamic ethos has benefited the recipient non-islamic nation. We're not talking about individual muslims, remember, but islam itself. How has that benefited said nation(s)? Quote: " has any country which is not naturally islamic been subject to an influx of muslims who have not subsequently attempted to change said country to suit their wants, by force if necessary;" Here is a short example, it will not take too much time to look and listen. Though it says bundles about what is happening HERE and all over the world....where these people settle and then try to take over. As I said the simple answer to your question is, yes, lots of countries have benefited from Islam. Unpaltable though that is to the prejudiced it's difficult for anyone to study history and come to a different conclusion. Good and bad in the history of Islam just like any other belief system. What benefit has Marxism ever brought to a country? None. I rest my case.
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Post by ladylinda on Mar 5, 2013 17:47:45 GMT -5
Indeed. With these recent events, like grooming, acid attacks, murdering etc in the news....where is the condemnation from the looney's like the UAF, Hope Not Hate etc. The silence and hypocrisy is deafening. I suppose it would be too much to hope, that the loonies such as the UAF have finally woken up to reality... ACtually there's LOsdsof condemnation of it by Muslimsl it's just that the prejudiced close their eyes and ears to the truth they don't want to hear or see/
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Post by ladylinda on Mar 5, 2013 17:48:32 GMT -5
And to come back to the basic point I made - NO atheist regime has ever benefited a country
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Post by fretslider on Mar 5, 2013 17:53:48 GMT -5
"As I said the simple answer to your question is, yes, lots of countries have benefited from Islam. "
Well howabout naming one, Lin?
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Post by Soulman on Mar 5, 2013 18:14:23 GMT -5
Quote: " has any country which is not naturally islamic been subject to an influx of muslims who have not subsequently attempted to change said country to suit their wants, by force if necessary;" Here is a short example, it will not take too much time to look and listen. Though it says bundles about what is happening HERE and all over the world....where these people settle and then try to take over. As I said the simple answer to your question is, yes, lots of countries have benefited from Islam. Unpaltable though that is to the prejudiced it's difficult for anyone to study history and come to a different conclusion. Good and bad in the history of Islam just like any other belief system. What benefit has Marxism ever brought to a country? None. I rest my case. A few examples of the good in the history of Islam would be nice. If you have to bring Marxism into this debate, then i agree, not much benefit.
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Post by mouse on Mar 6, 2013 5:12:00 GMT -5
actually marxism did bring a benefit to one country Russia...it destroyed the strangle hold held by the elite and destroyed the idea of owning life and soul the peasantry....so the peasantry did actually benefit from marxism and while they were still exploited at least they didnt have to kneel face down in the mud while they were being exploited....so yes a benefit with the tiniest bit of improvement..an exchange of one master for another but then we are not discussing marxism ,,nor is there a connection between marxism and islam unlike facism
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Post by mouse on Mar 6, 2013 5:18:57 GMT -5
and NO you cannot rest your case before giving an answer which you have ommitted to do...yet again """"As I said the simple answer to your question is, yes, lots of countries have benefited from Islam. Unpaltable though that is to the prejudiced it's difficult for anyone to study history and come to a different conclusion. Good and bad in the history of Islam just like any other belief system. What benefit has Marxism ever brought to a country? None. I rest my case."""" 1/SO WHICH COUNTRIES HAVE BENEFITED FROM ISLAM 2/the good history of islam is? its hardly predudice to see the misery that islam has wrought through out history. asnd is continuing to create..and the way it avoids its own history is very telling by its silence the dubious claims on what islam claims as its inventions are heard often enough..... but nary a word on the realities of islamic history one would think that 1400 yrs passed by in peace lurve and understanding instead of invasion..mass murder..slaving and pillage all acounted for by their own chroniclers and historians one of the bigest hypocracies is the Armenian genocide twice simply because they were christian....and what do we have...silence on the subject..in fact it isnt a permited topic the turks having a hissy fit every time it is mentioned...but then Armenia was only one episode of mass murder among many wasnt it.....
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Mar 6, 2013 11:58:27 GMT -5
Quote: " has any country which is not naturally islamic been subject to an influx of muslims who have not subsequently attempted to change said country to suit their wants, by force if necessary;" Here is a short example, it will not take too much time to look and listen. Though it says bundles about what is happening HERE and all over the world....where these people settle and then try to take over. As I said the simple answer to your question is, yes, lots of countries have benefited from Islam. Unpaltable though that is to the prejudiced it's difficult for anyone to study history and come to a different conclusion. Good and bad in the history of Islam just like any other belief system. What benefit has Marxism ever brought to a country? None. I rest my case. What a surprise - Anjem Choudary's there at that "demo." That clip seems to counter your argument rather than support it.
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