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Post by fretslider on Feb 8, 2013 8:02:15 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to see the day when Islam enters a country and does any good whatsoever. I have a feeling that Satan will be skating to work before that day arrives. The modus operandi is always the same; a slow infiltration followed by a rapid multiplication. As the Weyland Yutani Corporation put it: It's what they call a shake and bake colony. I'm looking forward to the counter-argument to that post, Fret *opens popcorn* Is there one? We shall see.
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Post by ladylinda on Feb 8, 2013 9:37:13 GMT -5
Well, if you look at history you can find plenty of examples where Islam has benefited a country.
And anyway what do you mean by Islam?
It's about as meaningless a term as Christianity.
And to put a counter-argument you have to be facing an argument in the first place and there WASN'T one.
Just a statement of prejudiced opinion.
About a year or so ago I posted a series of links about the many contributions to civilisation by Muslims.
Islam, like any belief system - including atheism - can be used as a tool of enlightenment or as a tool of oppression.
As you know perfectly well, I'm consistent in who I condemn and who I don't.
ANYONE who stands for intolerance or for treating people differently on the basis of gender, race, religion or whatever is IMO on the side of the oppressors.
I couldn't care less if it's Stalin or bin Laden - BOTH are evil scumbags.
Anymore than I could care less if it's Muslim fundos in Britain or the EDL = BOTH of them IMO are evil scumbags.
Moral consistency!
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Post by markindurham on Feb 8, 2013 10:20:37 GMT -5
Well, if you look at history you can find plenty of examples where Islam has benefited a country. And anyway what do you mean by Islam? It's about as meaningless a term as Christianity. And to put a counter-argument you have to be facing an argument in the first place and there WASN'T one. Just a statement of prejudiced opinion. About a year or so ago I posted a series of links about the many contributions to civilisation by Muslims. Islam, like any belief system - including atheism - can be used as a tool of enlightenment or as a tool of oppression. As you know perfectly well, I'm consistent in who I condemn and who I don't. ANYONE who stands for intolerance or for treating people differently on the basis of gender, race, religion or whatever is IMO on the side of the oppressors. I couldn't care less if it's Stalin or bin Laden - BOTH are evil scumbags. Anymore than I could care less if it's Muslim fundos in Britain or the EDL = BOTH of them IMO are evil scumbags. Moral consistency! Never mind pontificating and obfuscating - the initial question was, has any country which is not naturally islamic been subject to an influx of muslims who have not subsequently attempted to change said country to suit their wants, by force if necessary; where there has been no trouble between the indigenous population and the incomers. Also, following on from that, as you have brought it up, kindly furnish an example of how the incoming islamic ethos has benefited the recipient non-islamic nation. We're not talking about individual muslims, remember, but islam itself. How has that benefited said nation(s)?
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Post by Soulman on Feb 8, 2013 13:21:24 GMT -5
Well, if you look at history you can find plenty of examples where Islam has benefited a country. And anyway what do you mean by Islam? It's about as meaningless a term as Christianity. And to put a counter-argument you have to be facing an argument in the first place and there WASN'T one. Just a statement of prejudiced opinion. About a year or so ago I posted a series of links about the many contributions to civilisation by Muslims. Islam, like any belief system - including atheism - can be used as a tool of enlightenment or as a tool of oppression. As you know perfectly well, I'm consistent in who I condemn and who I don't. ANYONE who stands for intolerance or for treating people differently on the basis of gender, race, religion or whatever is IMO on the side of the oppressors. I couldn't care less if it's Stalin or bin Laden - BOTH are evil scumbags. Anymore than I could care less if it's Muslim fundos in Britain or the EDL = BOTH of them IMO are evil scumbags. Moral consistency! Never mind pontificating and obfuscating - the initial question was, has any country which is not naturally islamic been subject to an influx of muslims who have not subsequently attempted to change said country to suit their wants, by force if necessary; where there has been no trouble between the indigenous population and the incomers. Also, following on from that, as you have brought it up, kindly furnish an example of how the incoming islamic ethos has benefited the recipient non-islamic nation. We're not talking about individual muslims, remember, but islam itself. How has that benefited said nation(s)? Quote: " has any country which is not naturally islamic been subject to an influx of muslims who have not subsequently attempted to change said country to suit their wants, by force if necessary;" Here is a short example, it will not take too much time to look and listen. Though it says bundles about what is happening HERE and all over the world....where these people settle and then try to take over.
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Post by maggie on Feb 8, 2013 13:34:37 GMT -5
She was brave.
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Post by markindurham on Feb 8, 2013 13:58:29 GMT -5
Sadly I can't see the clip, although I can imagine what it shows. However, I, and I'm sure many others, are waiting to hear about the genuine benefits that are supposed to enhance our lives by virtue of this cult and its followers coming to our country...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 14:05:42 GMT -5
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Post by markindurham on Feb 8, 2013 14:25:48 GMT -5
I have heard it said that Malala is at risk, even in the UK, from some of the more <ahem> 'enthusiastic' followers of the cult of pieces
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Post by markindurham on Feb 8, 2013 14:59:17 GMT -5
Well, it's <only> taken over an hour, but I did manage to view soulman's vid - but I won't be doing that again in a hurry...
What an eye-opening video. As maggie says, that girl was brave - and that creep pointing his finger in her face was getting very upset that she wasn't responding. Then there were the talking, walking Guinness bottles - the sooner that garb is consigned to the bin, the better...
What was very noticeable was the attitude of the mob - as far as they were concerned the law was wrong. This was about the wife of some scrote who had set off a bomb being hauled in for questioning, but as far as this bunch was concerned, this was a no-no. Also the comments about our heroine 'trying to seduce someone' or 'appearing naked' - she was perfectly well dressed, imo. Then there was the classic bit, quoting the Quran about respecting the law of the land you live in - dismissed out of hand by the hairy ones as wrong...
Then there was the 'freedom of speech' bit - "We can say anything we like". OK, so why then do they get irate when their cult or its founder are criticized?
The arrogance of them was striking - and as for the 'you'll go to hell because you're not muslim' - well, I'll take my chance on that one, thank you...
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Post by markindurham on Feb 8, 2013 15:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by Soulman on Feb 8, 2013 16:49:48 GMT -5
As i said, Nigeria, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya.. etc etc. Daily isn't it, every day another barbaric act under the ideology of "peace"
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Post by markindurham on Feb 8, 2013 17:01:07 GMT -5
As i said, Nigeria, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya.. etc etc. Daily isn't it, every day another barbaric act under the ideology of "peace" It appears so. But it's "Only a few"... I heard that line quoted in your vid link, mind you - only the once; after she'd said it, I got the distinct feeling that the reporter was having a bit of a Damascene moment...
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Post by Soulman on Feb 8, 2013 17:17:37 GMT -5
Just on the ITV news. Acid attacks on Pakistani women in Pakistan, are on the increase. They throw acid into their faces. Just looking at the disfigured faces of young women. Sick bastards.
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Post by markindurham on Feb 8, 2013 17:29:49 GMT -5
Just on the ITV news. Acid attacks on Pakistani women in Pakistan, are on the increase. They throw acid into their faces. Just looking at the disfigured faces of young women. Sick bastards. Sick doesn't begin to describe it. And the scariest part is that the scum that do this don't seem to think that they're doing anything wrong. So much for their instruction manual saying that they should respect the fair sex and treat them as (almost) equals, eh? I mean. they're all supposed to follow it, aren't they? Perhaps it got lost in translation...
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Post by fretslider on Feb 8, 2013 17:34:34 GMT -5
Well, if you look at history you can find plenty of examples where Islam has benefited a country. And anyway what do you mean by Islam? It's about as meaningless a term as Christianity. And to put a counter-argument you have to be facing an argument in the first place and there WASN'T one. Just a statement of prejudiced opinion. About a year or so ago I posted a series of links about the many contributions to civilisation by Muslims. Islam, like any belief system - including atheism - can be used as a tool of enlightenment or as a tool of oppression. As you know perfectly well, I'm consistent in who I condemn and who I don't. ANYONE who stands for intolerance or for treating people differently on the basis of gender, race, religion or whatever is IMO on the side of the oppressors. I couldn't care less if it's Stalin or bin Laden - BOTH are evil scumbags. Anymore than I could care less if it's Muslim fundos in Britain or the EDL = BOTH of them IMO are evil scumbags. Moral consistency! If I have to qualify what is meant by Islam, when that should be entirely clear.... One day maybe I, and others too, can attain this mystical state you enjoy of unprejudiced opinion. Islam gave up on progress a long long time ago. It hasn't moved on and it cannot, it is inextricably linked with a book that is claimed to be the word of god - verbatim. No reform and no renaissance, you know what happens to those who get out of line. I asked of an example of where Islam has spread to a country and actually done some good, as a tool of enlightenment it's been an epic fail. More a tool of returning - with the useful ***** - to the 7th century. What amazes me more is how the sisterhood keeps absolutely silent on the status of wimmin in the Islamic sphere of influence. Where's the outrage about Islam on homosexuality? When the EDL have bombed innocent commuters, driven a car bomb into an airport entrance and formed religious vigilate patrols in places like Tower Hamlets, then you can equate them with Islamic fundamentalism, but not before.
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