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Post by mouse on Aug 18, 2014 4:07:33 GMT -5
I don't know if this helps or not and it's only one opinion of a young man in Pakistan but I did put the question to him: so many people wonder why Muslims who don't support ISIS remain quiet in the media or does the media not cover their viewpoint? Muslim have no media no voice no control no agenda no unity no no no no I see that as part of the on going refusal to condem...muslims have some of the richest people on the planet...they can afford to buy space for condemnation....they also have governments who could stand and condem within their own and at the UN they had no problem in getting them selves heard during the kerfuffle over the cartoons they would have had no problem in being heard at the time of Van Goghs killing or at the time of Lee Rigby killing same goes for 9/11 and 7/7 and all the other incidents too what we heard and saw on those occasions was pathetic..there was all the usual bleatings about it isn't islam which was always followed by a BUT never has there been an outright unequivicable total condemnation by thousands or millions..yet they managed to get an anti war protest without any problem..in fact they can protest at the drop of an hysterical hat where are the fatwahs..where are the assasinations..... of course they are told not to be critical of other muslims..
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Post by mouse on Aug 18, 2014 4:12:12 GMT -5
and from one of the links Lin put up... allenbwest.com/2014/07/arab-journalist-arab-leaders-pray-israel-will-get-rid-hamas/
so they want Israel to do their dirty work for them...figures....and what is so often overlooked in the gaza stunt is that Egypt very much involved...yet none of the kaffir numpties protesting protest about Egypts involvement
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:23:38 GMT -5
I don't know if this helps or not and it's only one opinion of a young man in Pakistan but I did put the question to him: so many people wonder why Muslims who don't support ISIS remain quiet in the media or does the media not cover their viewpoint? Muslim have no media no voice no contrl no agenda no unity no no no no A few years ago I might have accepted this, but in this world of global communications I'm afraid that that excuse doesn't fly any more. OK, some countries like Pakistan might well have control of the web in their own back yards, but across Europe? The USA? Many parts of Asia? The silence is deafening. there is no excuse in the western world for Muslims to remain quiet.........they are not under any threats of violence to themselves or family like those in Pakistan or countries in that area. It doesn't take much to stand up and be heard. I was very glad to see videos being posted by blacks in America denouncing the looting in Ferguson.....it gave me hope not all blacks are blinded to the truth
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Aug 18, 2014 16:13:21 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think there's no excuse for muslims in the western world, end of. Their cultural practices and mindset are completely opposite to western ideals of rights and jurisprudence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 16:54:03 GMT -5
I'm beginning to thing there's no excuse for muslims in the western world, end of. Their cultural practices and mindset are completely opposite to western ideals of rights and jurisprudence. And civilisation... the more I learn about Islam the more I realize how f**ked up it really is. who in their right mind buys into this garbage after they are adults and raised in the west?
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Aug 18, 2014 17:50:36 GMT -5
The one's raised in the west are the problem. Those that immigrated, particularly back in the '50s/'60s/'70s, are better integrated. But, then, they didn't bring hardcore, Saudi-backed extremist imams with them to run their mosques.
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 19, 2014 15:32:37 GMT -5
Here is a condemnation of Isis by a top Saudi cleric. Among other things he denounces it as 'unislamic' timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/middle-east-news/Saudi-top-cleric-blasts-Qaida-IS-as-enemy-No-1-of-Islam/articleshow/40411854.cmsThe Times of India Middle East News Saudi top cleric blasts Qaida, IS as 'enemy No. 1' of Islam AFP | Aug 19, 2014, 05.19 PM IST Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh|Saudi Grand Mufti|Al-Qaida Terror Network Saudi top cleric blasts Qaida, IS as 'enemy No. 1' of Islam In a statement issued on Tuesday in Riyadh, Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh (C) termed al-Qaida and Islamic State jihadists as "enemy number one" of Islam. (Getty Images picture) RIYADH: Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh on Tuesday blasted al-Qaida and Islamic State jihadists as "enemy number one" of Islam, in a statement issued in Riyadh. "The ideas of extremism, radicalism and terrorism ... have nothing to do with Islam and (their proponents) are the enemy number one of Islam," the kingdom's top cleric said. He cited jihadists from the Islamic State, which has declared a "caliphate" straddling parts of Iraq and Syria, and the global al-Qaida terror network.
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Post by mouse on Aug 20, 2014 4:00:26 GMT -5
quote author=" ladylinda" source="/post/156605/thread" timestamp="1408480357"]Here is a condemnation of Isis by a top Saudi cleric. Among other things he denounces it as 'unislamic' timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/middle-east-news/Saudi-top-cleric-blasts-Qaida-IS-as-enemy-No-1-of-Islam/articleshow/40411854.cmsThe Times of India Middle East News Saudi top cleric blasts Qaida, IS as 'enemy No. 1' of Islam AFP | Aug 19, 2014, 05.19 PM IST Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh|Saudi Grand Mufti|Al-Qaida Terror Network Saudi top cleric blasts Qaida, IS as 'enemy No. 1' of Islam In a statement issued on Tuesday in Riyadh, Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh (C) termed al-Qaida and Islamic State jihadists as "enemy number one" of Islam. (Getty Images picture) RIYADH: Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh on Tuesday blasted al-Qaida and Islamic State jihadists as "enemy number one" of Islam, in a statement issued in Riyadh. "The ideas of cextremism, radicalism and terrorism ... have nothing to do with Islam and (their proponents) are the enemy number one of Islam," the kingdom's top cleric said. He cited jihadists from the Islamic State, which has declared a "caliphate" straddling parts of Iraq and Syria, and the global al-Qaida terror network. [/quote]ah yes..its unislamic heard that before..we heard that as the towers went down[while others were rejoicing very visibly] enemy of islam...mmm heard that before too.. the links don't work...but from what is posted..it would seem they simply cannot bring them selves to really condem..they are more concerned with it showing islam in a bad light than outright condemnation of vicious mindless barbarism..the treatment and slavery of women is outrageous..the killing fest is absolutely inhuman and all they can bleat is its unislamic to try get islam out of a mess """extremism, radicalism and terrorism""" have they forgotton how islam was formed.. have they forgotton that what we see today is what we have seen throughout the centuries in the Byzantine countries..the rape of Constantinople..Spain..India..Eastern Europe etc etc ..and even more recently have they forgotton the SS brigades..the Nazi type rallies ..the actions of muslims in both Irak and Afghanistan ..the stonings and hangings in Iran etc etc of course they cannot speak about the enslavements in that slavery has never been recinded so nothey haven't come out and truly condemned what is going on..and i very much doubt they ever will a load of hot air and mealy mouthed words which actually are meaningless
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Aug 20, 2014 5:04:49 GMT -5
Here is a condemnation of Isis by a top Saudi cleric. Among other things he denounces it as 'unislamic' timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/middle-east-news/Saudi-top-cleric-blasts-Qaida-IS-as-enemy-No-1-of-Islam/articleshow/40411854.cmsThe Times of India Middle East News Saudi top cleric blasts Qaida, IS as 'enemy No. 1' of Islam AFP | Aug 19, 2014, 05.19 PM IST Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh|Saudi Grand Mufti|Al-Qaida Terror Network Saudi top cleric blasts Qaida, IS as 'enemy No. 1' of Islam In a statement issued on Tuesday in Riyadh, Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh (C) termed al-Qaida and Islamic State jihadists as "enemy number one" of Islam. (Getty Images picture) RIYADH: Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh on Tuesday blasted al-Qaida and Islamic State jihadists as "enemy number one" of Islam, in a statement issued in Riyadh. "The ideas of extremism, radicalism and terrorism ... have nothing to do with Islam and (their proponents) are the enemy number one of Islam," the kingdom's top cleric said. He cited jihadists from the Islamic State, which has declared a "caliphate" straddling parts of Iraq and Syria, and the global al-Qaida terror network. Priceless. given that it's his country that is the principal bankroller of IS/ISI. Allegedly...
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 20, 2014 15:28:37 GMT -5
Well, you're always making out that Muslim clerics don't condemn terrorism; this is just the LATEST in about thirty or so links I've been posting over the last year or so showing that they DO.
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Post by mouse on Aug 21, 2014 3:13:34 GMT -5
Well, you're always making out that Muslim clerics don't condemn terrorism; this is just the LATEST in about thirty or so links I've been posting over the last year or so showing that they DO. theres condemnation and then theres condemnation...one is real and condems utterly ... the other is mouthed words remember the twin towers? those who condemned utterly used word such as barbaric..evil a wicked act mass murder with NO reffefernce to islam or muslims etc those who mouthed words of condemnation yet almost excused the the act with """if America hadn't been in muslim lands""" etc and almost universal references to islam that it wasn't Islamic.... the same happened again in London on 7/7....the same words the same excuses the same attitudes every time we get the patter that it isn't islam.. isn't islamic ...yet one look at Islamic history quickly shows that this sort of happening is part and parcel of the Islamic way..century after century...incident after incident..country after country islam is peace...well no islam is submission..supossedly submission to allah ...but submission on the back of violence and brutality
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Post by markindurham on Aug 21, 2014 3:22:13 GMT -5
Well, you're always making out that Muslim clerics don't condemn terrorism; this is just the LATEST in about thirty or so links I've been posting over the last year or so showing that they DO. theres condemnation and then theres condemnation...one is real and condems utterly ... the other is mouthed words remember the twin towers? those who condemned utterly used word such as barbaric..evil a wicked act mass murder with NO reffefernce to islam or muslims etc those who mouthed words of condemnation yet almost excused the the act with """if America hadn't been in muslim lands""" etc and almost universal references to islam that it wasn't Islamic.... the same happened again in London on 7/7....the same words the same excuses the same attitudes every time we get the patter that it isn't islam.. isn't islamic ...yet one look at Islamic history quickly shows that this sort of happening is part and parcel of the Islamic way..century after century...incident after incident..country after country islam is peace...well no islam is submission..supossedly submission to allah ...but submission on the back of violence and brutality A tiny minority of either brave folk or just spouters of taqiyya - as you say, the same attitudes. Words alone are meaningless. Where are the mass protests? Until we see that happening then it is impossible to take claims of serious & meaningful opposition seriously. As ever, by their DEEDS are they known...
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Post by markindurham on Aug 21, 2014 3:29:27 GMT -5
In fact, last night I was having a good chat with a friend of mine; a very Christian gentleman who rarely speaks ill of anyone. However, these recent events have changed even his attitudes towards Islam, which he now accepts is a nasty, vicious and dangerous political cult. He's another one who when challenged to do so cannot think of any worthy thing that Islam has brought to the world in the last thousand years, and he is a very well respected member of the scientific community.
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Post by mouse on Aug 21, 2014 4:29:08 GMT -5
these events..allah be praised have concentrated quite a few minds on the Islamic way..traditions etc though it still beats me why they couldn't see what was happening before...there have been so many examples..so much said...how could anyone not be aware
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Post by markindurham on Aug 21, 2014 7:11:29 GMT -5
these events..allah be praised have concentrated quite a few minds on the Islamic way..traditions etc though it still beats me why they couldn't see what was happening before...there have been so many examples..so much said...how could anyone not be aware Yet there are still those who fail to recognise it. Still, let them rant - one day they will either wake up or suffer the consequences. Remember what happened to the Quislings in Norway & collaborators in France, to name but two...
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