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Post by ladylinda on Aug 21, 2014 8:08:50 GMT -5
Well, you're always making out that Muslim clerics don't condemn terrorism; this is just the LATEST in about thirty or so links I've been posting over the last year or so showing that they DO. theres condemnation and then theres condemnation...one is real and condems utterly ... the other is mouthed words remember the twin towers? those who condemned utterly used word such as barbaric..evil a wicked act mass murder with NO reffefernce to islam or muslims etc those who mouthed words of condemnation yet almost excused the the act with """if America hadn't been in muslim lands""" etc and almost universal references to islam that it wasn't Islamic.... the same happened again in London on 7/7....the same words the same excuses the same attitudes every time we get the patter that it isn't islam.. isn't islamic ...yet one look at Islamic history quickly shows that this sort of happening is part and parcel of the Islamic way..century after century...incident after incident..country after country islam is peace...well no islam is submission..supossedly submission to allah ...but submission on the back of violence and brutality I condemn ALL terrorism; it makes no difference if it's motivated by religion or politics or whatever. And the IRA used to excuse their barbarism by saying 'if the English weren't in Ireland' etc and almost universal references to Irish nationalism and trying to pretend that somehow that justified everything.
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 21, 2014 8:10:30 GMT -5
these events..allah be praised have concentrated quite a few minds on the Islamic way..traditions etc though it still beats me why they couldn't see what was happening before...there have been so many examples..so much said...how could anyone not be aware Yet there are still those who fail to recognise it. Still, let them rant - one day they will either wake up or suffer the consequences. Remember what happened to the Quislings in Norway & collaborators in France, to name but two... It's amazing how naive some people are; the sort of nonsense that's being spoken about Islam is uncannily like the crap the Nazis came out with about the Jews. Remember what happened to them? Remember how many people tried to make excuses for the Nazis and to blame the victims?
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Post by mouse on Aug 21, 2014 9:04:39 GMT -5
I see no realistic way that that muslims are spoken about as were the JEWS...no way what so ever the two situations are totally different one from the other the only people who appear to put muslims in the same bracket of yesteryears Jewish populations are the people who have being blindsided or are rightons or who are incredibly naïve or know NOTHING about history the only one thing in common to Jewish people to muslims is a facist totalitarian mantra ..one group being the victims[again] the other group being the opressors
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Post by men an tol on Aug 21, 2014 9:08:16 GMT -5
Many have attempted to describe what Islam is and is not, however the best source for this isIslam itself. Following is description the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights, which is a response by those of Islam to the 1990 United Nations Universal Human Rights.
(Note: This is offered only for consideration and should not be taken as being directed at any posters comments.)
August 10, 2014
The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights
The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights was a document put together in 1990 after the United Nations had come out with its Universal Human Rights. The Muslims looked at it and said: “We don't like universal human rights. We will put together an Islamic document about human rights.”
We can learn something very interesting about Islam and about us as Kafirs from this document. It is a 2 to 3 page document that is based on the Sharia. It has some lofty language, which at first seems to be wonderful, until you look at it really closely. For instance, it starts off by saying that all human beings form one family whose members are united by their subordination to Allah. What? Human beings are those who submit to Allah and that's our first insight into the true nature of this doctrine. What about those who do not submit to Allah?
It goes ahead to say all men are equal in terms of basic human dignity. Well, not really because in the Sharia, there are Kafirs and believers and Kafirs are not treated equally under the Sharia.
The Cairo Declaration states that the right to life is guaranteed to every human being. It is forbidden to take away a life except for a Sharia prescribed reason. What might those be? Well there's the usual ones, such as the penalty for murder. But then there are other reasons to take a life, which I personally don't like. For instance, it's allowed to take the life of a Kafir, if it is in jihad. That is wrong and doesn't really give me a lot of rights. Another reason that you can kill somebody is, buried deep in the back of the Sharia text, is that both parents and grandparents shall not be considered guilty if they kill one of their children. So in other words, honor killings are built into the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights.
It states that men and women have the right to marriage and no restrictions stemming from race color or nationality. What are we missing? Yes, religion! Because you see there are many prohibitions on Muslims. A Muslim woman is not supposed to marry a Kafir male, but a Kafir woman can marry an Islamic male, a Muslim male. Why? The children have to be raised as Muslims.
The Cairo Declaration says that a woman is equal to a man in human dignity. Right. But included in the Sharia are prescriptions on how a woman is to be beaten and the appropriate ways to do this. So much for equality.
It say that everyone shall have the right to enjoy their fruits of his scientific, literary, or artistic work. Well, not really. Because you see, any art which portrays Mohammed or Islam in a bad way is strictly forbidden.
Then we have one that sounds great. All individuals are equal before the law. But individuals are not equal under the Sharia. A Kafir cannot testify in a Sharia court against a Muslim. That's the equality under the Sharia.
The Cairo declaration says that everyone shall have the right to express his opinion freely. Try going to Pakistan and say something about Mohammed Muslims don’t like and you'll see how much right you have to freely express your opinion. You'll be dead.
The Cairo Declaration ends with a simple statement. All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this declaration are subject to the Sharia. It is a case where the little print takes away everything that the big print promises. Because there aren't any rights and freedoms inside of the Sharia for the Kafir. Human rights are only for Muslims. Kafirs don't have any rights because Kafirs are not humans. So much for the declaration of human rights under Islam.
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Post by mouse on Aug 21, 2014 9:28:24 GMT -5
but a fine bit disembling deviousness all the same....of course there are those who will take it at face value
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Aug 21, 2014 9:54:52 GMT -5
Yet there are still those who fail to recognise it. Still, let them rant - one day they will either wake up or suffer the consequences. Remember what happened to the Quislings in Norway & collaborators in France, to name but two... It's amazing how naive some people are; the sort of nonsense that's being spoken about Islam is uncannily like the crap the Nazis came out with about the Jews. A lot of what islam speaks about the Jews is exactly like the crap the Nazis came out with. Worse, in fact.
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Post by mouse on Aug 21, 2014 10:18:05 GMT -5
It's amazing how naive some people are; the sort of nonsense that's being spoken about Islam is uncannily like the crap the Nazis came out with about the Jews. A lot of what islam speaks about the Jews is exactly like the crap the Nazis came out with. Worse, in fact. to say nothing of the violence and intimidation and the verbal harrestment the JEWS ARE BEING SUBJECT TO across Europe and the UK by the faithful ones...history repeating
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Post by markindurham on Aug 21, 2014 10:23:23 GMT -5
It's amazing how naive some people are; the sort of nonsense that's being spoken about Islam is uncannily like the crap the Nazis came out with about the Jews. A lot of what islam speaks about the Jews is exactly like the crap the Nazis came out with. Worse, in fact. Yes indeed, Temps. Another crash & burn, eh?
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Post by ladylinda on Aug 21, 2014 15:09:41 GMT -5
It's amazing how naive some people are; the sort of nonsense that's being spoken about Islam is uncannily like the crap the Nazis came out with about the Jews. A lot of what islam speaks about the Jews is exactly like the crap the Nazis came out with. Worse, in fact. And there's far more in Islam that's the opposite. I sometimes wonder if the Islamophobes are just brainwashed sheep or if they've really got some hidden agenda to push Islam. I remember reading Robert Spencer saying how Breivik's REAL aim (buried somewhere in his manifesto) was to make it IMPOSSIBLE to attack Islam and that he was CONSCIOUSLY working to ENFORCE radical Islam on Europe. Try and think logically if you've just been brainwashed. Of course we have to fight these scumbags. But more important is winning hearts and minds. Do you think moderate Muslims will be impressed by being told that Islam is evil? Or do you think you've got more chance of persuading them if (as I do on a regular basis) you tell them that what the rads are preaching and doing is UNISLAMIC? It's not rocket science to work out which approach is more likely to bring results. And like I said I'm seriously beginning to question the motivation of the Islamophobes. It's now looking worse than simple paranoia but some kind of dodgy hidden agenda.
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Post by markindurham on Aug 22, 2014 1:23:05 GMT -5
It is not a 'phobia' to be concerned about something that presents a clear and present danger to you, your family, your community/society or your way of life. Islam does just that, and no amount of obfuscation or taqqiya is going to change that. Fact. Everywhere islam goes, particularly when it's not 'native' to that area, it causes trouble. Fact. Its stated aim is to subsume the world. Fact. It cannot accept coexisting with other faiths as equals. Fact. It has not evolved as have many other faiths, preferring to remain rooted in the 7th century. Fact. It is a brutal, controlling and mysogonistic system. Fact.
I ask again, what benefits has islam brought to the party as it has spread, virus like, across Western society?
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Post by mouse on Aug 22, 2014 3:47:55 GMT -5
A lot of what islam speaks about the Jews is exactly like the crap the Nazis came out with. Worse, in fact. And there's far more in Islam that's the opposite. I sometimes wonder if the Islamophobes are just brainwashed sheep or if they've really got some hidden agenda to push Islam. I remember reading Robert Spencer saying how Breivik's REAL aim (buried somewhere in his manifesto) was to make it IMPOSSIBLE to attack Islam and that he was CONSCIOUSLY working to ENFORCE radical Islam on Europe. Try and think logically if you've just been brainwashed. Of course we have to fight these scumbags. But more important is winning hearts and minds. cDo you think moderate Muslims will be impressed by being told that Islam is evil? Or do you think you've got more chance of persuading them if (as I do on a regular basis) you tell them that what the rads are preaching and doing is UNISLAMIC? It's not rocket science to work out which approach is more likely to bring results. And like I said I'm seriously beginning to question the motivation of the Islamophobes. It's now looking worse than simple paranoia but some kind of dodgy hidden agenda. """"Do you think moderate Muslims will be impressed by being told that Islam is evil?""""does anyone really care if they are impressed or not .....and surely its up to them to prove otherwise..to prove that islam is NOT evil and that is going to be an uphill struggle """But more important is winning hearts and minds."""ah yes hearts and minds..what farce that attitude has turned out to be """Or do you think you've got more chance of persuading them if (as I do on a regular basis) you tell them that what the rads are preaching and doing is UNISLAMIC?""" lawdy that is terrifying """Try and think logically if you've just been brainwashed.""" oh the blind arrogance
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Post by fretslider on Aug 22, 2014 5:07:29 GMT -5
It is not a 'phobia' to be concerned about something that presents a clear and present danger to you, your family, your community/society or your way of life. Islam does just that, and no amount of obfuscation or taqqiya is going to change that. Fact. Everywhere islam goes, particularly when it's not 'native' to that area, it causes trouble. Fact. Its stated aim is to subsume the world. Fact. It cannot accept coexisting with other faiths as equals. Fact. It has not evolved as have many other faiths, preferring to remain rooted in the 7th century. Fact. It is a brutal, controlling and mysogonistic system. Fact. I ask again, what benefits has islam brought to the party as it has spread, virus like, across Western society? Good question. But waht instructions do they have about the wider world? A SYNOPSIS OF ISLAMIC LAWS FOR MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD
Islamic law divides the world into two separate, irreconcilable worlds: Muslim and non-Muslim; the lands of Islam and the enemy lands of non-Muslims.
‘Every land or region in which the rulers and those in authority rule their people in accordance with Islamic shariah, and the people are able to carry out what Islam has enjoined upon them, is considered to be dar Islam (the abode of Islam). Muslims should live there, and not go to live anywhere else except to another place which is under Islamic rule where they may be better off. Every country or region in which the rulers do not uphold shariah law over those who are under their care by the rules of Islam, and in which the Muslims are not able to establish the rituals of Islam, is dar kufr (the abode of kufr). Dar al-harb [land of war] refers to every place in which the rule of kufr prevails.' ‘There is no doubt that staying in the kaffir lands poses a grave danger to the religion and morals of the Muslim. Hence we should beware of that and try to avoid it, and set out conditions which will prevent the Muslim from falling into that great danger. With regard to non-Muslims, the Muslim should disavow himself of them, and he should not feel any love in his heart towards them.
1] That the Muslim must be secure in his religious commitment. He should be able to practise his religion openly, so that he can observe the rituals of Islam with no impediment. If he cannot do that then it is not permissible to stay there because it becomes obligatory to migrate (hijrah) in that case.
Establishing the duties of Islam is obligatory for the one who is able to do that, and migration (hijrah) is a necessary part of these obligatory duties: whatever is essential to the fulfillment of an obligatory duty is also obligatory.' [NOTE: It is obligatory for all Muslims to support and to fight Jihad, holy war against non-Muslims, because it is a pillar of faith in Islam.]
2] THAT THE MUSLIM HAS AN ATTITUDE OF ENMITY AND HATRED OF THE KAFFIRS IN HIS HEART AND WILL NOT TAKE THEM AS FRIENDS AND LOVE THEM, BECAUSE DOING THIS CONTRADICTS THE FAITH OF ISLAM. LOVING THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH IS ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS DANGERS FOR THE MUSLIM BECAUSE LOVING THEM IMPLIES THAT ONE AGREES WITH THEM AND FOLLOWS THEM, OR AT THE VERY LEAST ONE DOES NOT DENOUNCE THEM. THE SCHOLARS OF ISLAM ARE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT WHOEVER SUPPORTS THE KAFFIRS AGAINST THE MUSLIMS AND HELPS THEM IN ANY WAY IS A KAFFIR LIKE THEM. IF THE MUSLIMS FEAR THEIR EVIL, IT IS PERMITTED TO MAKE AN OUTWARD SHOW OF FRIENDLINESS TOWARDS THEM, BUT HE SHOULD HATE THEM INWARDLY. Allah says: "Let not the believers take the disbelievers as supporters, helpers instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them.' [Koran 3:28] "The believers, men and women, are helpers, supporters, friends, protectors of one another." [Koran 9:71] "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, protectors or helpers, they are but friends and protectors of each other. And if any amongst you takes them as friends or protectors, then surely, he is one of them. And you see those Muslims in whose hearts there is a disease of hypocrisy, they hurry to their friendship, saying: "We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us." Perhaps Allah may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves." [Koran 5:51, 52] NOTE: Chapter 5 and chapter 9 are the last chapters of the Koran. These laws are final and absolute for all Muslims. They can't ever be changed or cancelled.
‘If the Muslim has to be with the non-Muslims physically, he should not be with them in his heart, and he must avoid mixing with them unnecessarily. Even if they give you some of your rights by treating you nicely, they do not give Allah His rights and they do not give the Qur'an its rights and they do not give our Prophet his rights. The rights of Allah and His Book and His Prophet are more important than our personal rights. Remember this, for this is one of the things that will help you to hate them and regard them as enemies until they believe in Allah alone.'
SETTLING IN A KAFFIR LAND SHOULD BE REGARDED AS TEMPORARY, NOT PERMANENT. IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE THE INTENTION OF STAYING THERE PERMANENTLY BECAUSE SETTLING THERE PERMANENTLY MEANS THAT ONE HAS MIGRATED [MADE HIJRAH] FROM THE LAND OF ISLAM TO THE LAND OF KUFR. THIS CLEARLY GOES AGAINST THE RULING OF SHARIAH THAT IT IS OBLIGATORY TO MIGRATE FROM THE LAND OF KUFR TO THE LAND OF ISLAM. Whoever is unable to migrate is excused, but Muslims in Islamic lands are obliged to save them and bring them from the kaffir lands to the Muslim lands.
But whoever is able to establish the rituals of Islam within his family, and establish evidence against the rulers and people in authority and bring about reform, making them change their ways, then it is prescribed for him to stay among them, so long as he is safe from temptation and fitnah [infidel sin]. It is advisable for such a person to migrate to kaffir lands so that he can participate in Jihad and increase the numbers of the Muslims [in non-Muslim territory]. You should not travel if you can avoid it to the kaffir countries. So it is not permissible to travel there, no matter what the circumstances, except in cases of extreme necessity. If you have no alternative but to stay in those countries, then try not to raise your children there; send them to a Muslim country, to their families or to Islamic centres that will take care of them and educate them. You are well aware that the danger to your children is not restricted to their joining the kaffirs in their festivals, rather the danger is there simply because of their mixing with them and living among them. There should be a legitimate need for Muslims taking the nationality of a kaffir country, such as the benefits for which the Muslim has settled in the kaffir country being dependent upon his taking the nationality. Otherwise that is not permissible for Muslims, because taking the nationality is a sign of befriending the kaffir, and because it involves speaking words which it is not permissible to believe in or adhere to, such as approving of kufr or man-made laws. TAKING THE NATIONALITY MAY LEAD TO STAYING IN THE KAFFIR LAND PERMANENTLY, WHICH IS NOT PERMISSIBLE. NO-ONE SHOULD THINK THAT A MUSLIM WHO SAYS THAT IT IS OK TO VOTE IS EXPRESSING APPROVAL OR SUPPORT FOR KAFFIRS. IT IS DONE IN THE INTERESTS OF THE MUSLIMS, NOT OUT OF LOVE FOR KUFR AND ITS PEOPLE. The evidence of the Qur'an and Sunnah indicates that it is obligatory for all the Muslims, on the individual, community, governmental and international levels to refer any disputes or arguments that arise among them to the laws of Allah. [Islamic shariah laws] Whoever studies or teaches manmade laws and believes that ruling by them is permissible, whether he believes that shariah law is superior to them or not, is a kaffir in the sense of major kufr, according to the consensus of the Muslims.
‘THE PARTICIPATION OF MUSLIMS AND THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MUSLIM COMMUNITIES IN EUROPE HAS RESULTED IN THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MOSQUES, SCHOOLS AND ISLAMIC CENTRES. THIS HAS RESULTED IN INCREASED MUSLIM INFLUENCE TO THE EXTENT THAT THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM, SUCH AS THE JEWS, ARE SCARED.'
Muslims were less than three percent of the Arab population in the 7th century and they conquered all of Arabia and ruined the Jewish tribes, then they invaded and conquered European lands.
Only three percent of Germans were Nazis when Hitler rose to power, yet they ravaged Germany and much of Europe.
These ruthless minorities came to power and conquered millions of victims, in holocausts of violence, death and destruction, both inspired by the same political and religious faith - to destroy all opposition and to reign supreme. The population of Muslims living in the West is significant and increasing, teaching and believing in the same Islamic laws, unchanged and unchangeable.www.danielpipes.org/comments/25283
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Post by markindurham on Aug 22, 2014 5:36:57 GMT -5
It is not a 'phobia' to be concerned about something that presents a clear and present danger to you, your family, your community/society or your way of life. Islam does just that, and no amount of obfuscation or taqqiya is going to change that. Fact. Everywhere islam goes, particularly when it's not 'native' to that area, it causes trouble. Fact. Its stated aim is to subsume the world. Fact. It cannot accept coexisting with other faiths as equals. Fact. It has not evolved as have many other faiths, preferring to remain rooted in the 7th century. Fact. It is a brutal, controlling and mysogonistic system. Fact. I ask again, what benefits has islam brought to the party as it has spread, virus like, across Western society? Good question. But waht instructions do they have about the wider world? A SYNOPSIS OF ISLAMIC LAWS FOR MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD
Islamic law divides the world into two separate, irreconcilable worlds: Muslim and non-Muslim; the lands of Islam and the enemy lands of non-Muslims.
‘Every land or region in which the rulers and those in authority rule their people in accordance with Islamic shariah, and the people are able to carry out what Islam has enjoined upon them, is considered to be dar Islam (the abode of Islam). Muslims should live there, and not go to live anywhere else except to another place which is under Islamic rule where they may be better off. Every country or region in which the rulers do not uphold shariah law over those who are under their care by the rules of Islam, and in which the Muslims are not able to establish the rituals of Islam, is dar kufr (the abode of kufr). Dar al-harb [land of war] refers to every place in which the rule of kufr prevails.' ‘There is no doubt that staying in the kaffir lands poses a grave danger to the religion and morals of the Muslim. Hence we should beware of that and try to avoid it, and set out conditions which will prevent the Muslim from falling into that great danger. With regard to non-Muslims, the Muslim should disavow himself of them, and he should not feel any love in his heart towards them.
1] That the Muslim must be secure in his religious commitment. He should be able to practise his religion openly, so that he can observe the rituals of Islam with no impediment. If he cannot do that then it is not permissible to stay there because it becomes obligatory to migrate (hijrah) in that case.
Establishing the duties of Islam is obligatory for the one who is able to do that, and migration (hijrah) is a necessary part of these obligatory duties: whatever is essential to the fulfillment of an obligatory duty is also obligatory.' [NOTE: It is obligatory for all Muslims to support and to fight Jihad, holy war against non-Muslims, because it is a pillar of faith in Islam.]
2] THAT THE MUSLIM HAS AN ATTITUDE OF ENMITY AND HATRED OF THE KAFFIRS IN HIS HEART AND WILL NOT TAKE THEM AS FRIENDS AND LOVE THEM, BECAUSE DOING THIS CONTRADICTS THE FAITH OF ISLAM. LOVING THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH IS ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS DANGERS FOR THE MUSLIM BECAUSE LOVING THEM IMPLIES THAT ONE AGREES WITH THEM AND FOLLOWS THEM, OR AT THE VERY LEAST ONE DOES NOT DENOUNCE THEM. THE SCHOLARS OF ISLAM ARE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT WHOEVER SUPPORTS THE KAFFIRS AGAINST THE MUSLIMS AND HELPS THEM IN ANY WAY IS A KAFFIR LIKE THEM. IF THE MUSLIMS FEAR THEIR EVIL, IT IS PERMITTED TO MAKE AN OUTWARD SHOW OF FRIENDLINESS TOWARDS THEM, BUT HE SHOULD HATE THEM INWARDLY. Allah says: "Let not the believers take the disbelievers as supporters, helpers instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them.' [Koran 3:28] "The believers, men and women, are helpers, supporters, friends, protectors of one another." [Koran 9:71] "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, protectors or helpers, they are but friends and protectors of each other. And if any amongst you takes them as friends or protectors, then surely, he is one of them. And you see those Muslims in whose hearts there is a disease of hypocrisy, they hurry to their friendship, saying: "We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us." Perhaps Allah may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves." [Koran 5:51, 52] NOTE: Chapter 5 and chapter 9 are the last chapters of the Koran. These laws are final and absolute for all Muslims. They can't ever be changed or cancelled.
‘If the Muslim has to be with the non-Muslims physically, he should not be with them in his heart, and he must avoid mixing with them unnecessarily. Even if they give you some of your rights by treating you nicely, they do not give Allah His rights and they do not give the Qur'an its rights and they do not give our Prophet his rights. The rights of Allah and His Book and His Prophet are more important than our personal rights. Remember this, for this is one of the things that will help you to hate them and regard them as enemies until they believe in Allah alone.'
SETTLING IN A KAFFIR LAND SHOULD BE REGARDED AS TEMPORARY, NOT PERMANENT. IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE THE INTENTION OF STAYING THERE PERMANENTLY BECAUSE SETTLING THERE PERMANENTLY MEANS THAT ONE HAS MIGRATED [MADE HIJRAH] FROM THE LAND OF ISLAM TO THE LAND OF KUFR. THIS CLEARLY GOES AGAINST THE RULING OF SHARIAH THAT IT IS OBLIGATORY TO MIGRATE FROM THE LAND OF KUFR TO THE LAND OF ISLAM. Whoever is unable to migrate is excused, but Muslims in Islamic lands are obliged to save them and bring them from the kaffir lands to the Muslim lands.
But whoever is able to establish the rituals of Islam within his family, and establish evidence against the rulers and people in authority and bring about reform, making them change their ways, then it is prescribed for him to stay among them, so long as he is safe from temptation and fitnah [infidel sin]. It is advisable for such a person to migrate to kaffir lands so that he can participate in Jihad and increase the numbers of the Muslims [in non-Muslim territory]. You should not travel if you can avoid it to the kaffir countries. So it is not permissible to travel there, no matter what the circumstances, except in cases of extreme necessity. If you have no alternative but to stay in those countries, then try not to raise your children there; send them to a Muslim country, to their families or to Islamic centres that will take care of them and educate them. You are well aware that the danger to your children is not restricted to their joining the kaffirs in their festivals, rather the danger is there simply because of their mixing with them and living among them. There should be a legitimate need for Muslims taking the nationality of a kaffir country, such as the benefits for which the Muslim has settled in the kaffir country being dependent upon his taking the nationality. Otherwise that is not permissible for Muslims, because taking the nationality is a sign of befriending the kaffir, and because it involves speaking words which it is not permissible to believe in or adhere to, such as approving of kufr or man-made laws. TAKING THE NATIONALITY MAY LEAD TO STAYING IN THE KAFFIR LAND PERMANENTLY, WHICH IS NOT PERMISSIBLE. NO-ONE SHOULD THINK THAT A MUSLIM WHO SAYS THAT IT IS OK TO VOTE IS EXPRESSING APPROVAL OR SUPPORT FOR KAFFIRS. IT IS DONE IN THE INTERESTS OF THE MUSLIMS, NOT OUT OF LOVE FOR KUFR AND ITS PEOPLE. The evidence of the Qur'an and Sunnah indicates that it is obligatory for all the Muslims, on the individual, community, governmental and international levels to refer any disputes or arguments that arise among them to the laws of Allah. [Islamic shariah laws] Whoever studies or teaches manmade laws and believes that ruling by them is permissible, whether he believes that shariah law is superior to them or not, is a kaffir in the sense of major kufr, according to the consensus of the Muslims.
‘THE PARTICIPATION OF MUSLIMS AND THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MUSLIM COMMUNITIES IN EUROPE HAS RESULTED IN THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MOSQUES, SCHOOLS AND ISLAMIC CENTRES. THIS HAS RESULTED IN INCREASED MUSLIM INFLUENCE TO THE EXTENT THAT THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM, SUCH AS THE JEWS, ARE SCARED.'
Muslims were less than three percent of the Arab population in the 7th century and they conquered all of Arabia and ruined the Jewish tribes, then they invaded and conquered European lands.
Only three percent of Germans were Nazis when Hitler rose to power, yet they ravaged Germany and much of Europe.
These ruthless minorities came to power and conquered millions of victims, in holocausts of violence, death and destruction, both inspired by the same political and religious faith - to destroy all opposition and to reign supreme. The population of Muslims living in the West is significant and increasing, teaching and believing in the same Islamic laws, unchanged and unchangeable.www.danielpipes.org/comments/25283Well, that seems to cover all the bases, doesn't it? Still, it's only a few, or they're just misunderstood, or we're paranoid, or islamophobic, or racist... *rolls eyes*
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Post by Tempus Fugit on Aug 22, 2014 6:33:26 GMT -5
Listen to this idiot:-
And he's probably what would be classed as a "moderate."
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Post by markindurham on Aug 22, 2014 7:00:42 GMT -5
Listen to this idiot:- And he's probably what would be classed as a "moderate." I prefer "feckwit"...
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