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Post by mouse on Jun 13, 2010 8:34:18 GMT -5
Mouse, I think you'll find Mary never actually visited London. To the best of my memory, Mary was executed in Framlingham Castle but I'll have to go check. but she was ON HER WAY south...if i remeber the original aim was london ..which is how come she came into to our area i will take a photo of the little blue plaque next time i am there[if i remeber]
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Post by mouse on Jun 13, 2010 8:39:24 GMT -5
I wonder how Elizabeth, who obviously believed strongly in the divine right of kings, felt about sending a fellow anointed monarch to the chopping block. Still, Elizabeth could have sent Mary to another country, most likely France, elizabeth didnt feel at all good about the execution of mary and no she couldnt have sent her to another coutry especially france..the french were in plots up to their ears at the time
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Post by Erasmus on Jun 13, 2010 16:24:54 GMT -5
Mary was very definitely 'silly' but in a very weak position. She had religious problems that could threaten civil war and the Scots monarchy was far weaker by nature than the Tudors. James VI twice nearly lost his life in assassination attempts and various of Mary's husbands and lovers were assassinated. Then, she was a woman in a violent society where the Highlanders and Border country paid very little attention to Edinburgh. As a Roman Catholic she was obliged not to recognize Elizabeth, as protector of religious freedoms and out of sheer practicality she needed to consider her Protestant subjects strong in the Parliament without the back door exit that Henry had offered them by establishing a national church.
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Post by gabriel on Jun 14, 2010 1:07:53 GMT -5
Mouse, I think you'll find Mary never actually visited London. To the best of my memory, Mary was executed in Framlingham Castle but I'll have to go check. but she was ON HER WAY south...if i remeber the original aim was london ..which is how come she came into to our area i will take a photo of the little blue plaque next time i am there[if i remeber]I'd like to see that mouse, thanks.
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Post by mouse on Jun 14, 2010 4:21:25 GMT -5
may be a number of weeks...but will deffo have camer at the ready
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Post by mouse on Jun 14, 2010 4:24:40 GMT -5
may be a number of weeks...but will deffo have camer at the ready
scotland at the time was a very violent society indeed....and her choices of men were very questionable..plots and counter plots involving rome/the french etc who would have given their eye teeth to bring elizabeth down ..plus of course the scots lords constantly squabbling among them selves
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Post by gabriel on Jun 14, 2010 5:27:03 GMT -5
I think if you look at the choices, she was bound for failure before she even set foot in Scotland. She was only 24 when she gave up the throne.
Cecil was pulling the strings in England, so anything she ever tried to do was going to explode in her face.
Darnley was a set up but she didn't have anyone sane enough or loyal enough to tell her.
I don't know about Bothwell. I think that could have been a real love match.
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Post by mouse on Jun 14, 2010 9:11:00 GMT -5
bosswell very self serving and encouraged by the ""lords"" went with a bang in the end
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Post by gabriel on Jun 15, 2010 2:15:33 GMT -5
Bothwell, was, I think, impulsive. Kirk o Field was just a disaster. He could have achieved the same end with a knife in a back alley but no, he had to go for the big, showy plan.
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Post by mouse on Jun 15, 2010 4:04:22 GMT -5
but no, he had to go for the big, showy plan. thats the trouble with men in skirts..never know when to use the better part of discretion
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Post by gabriel on Jun 15, 2010 4:55:19 GMT -5
Maybe it's the wind swirling around the bare legs.
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Post by mouse on Jun 16, 2010 2:58:35 GMT -5
perhaps he should have been called nich-er-less instead of jamie
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Post by gabriel on Jun 16, 2010 4:50:08 GMT -5
Well Elizabeth the virgin queen? Long before E and Essex, there was E and Dudley. www.elizabethfiles.com/the-marriage-of-robert-dudley-and-amy-robsart/3862/The Marriage of Robert Dudley and Amy Robsart Posted By Claire on June 4, 2010 On this day in history, the 4th June 1550 (some sources say the 5th), Robert Dudley married Amy Robsart at the royal palace of Sheen at Richmond, near London. The marriage was attended by the then king, Edward VI. Both Amy and Dudley were a few days short of their 18th birthdays when they got married and the marriage was a love-match, or a “carnal marriage” as William Cecil described it, rather than an arranged union. The couple were sweethearts and very much in love but it was not to be a happy marriage and events conspired against them. Just three years after their wedding, Dudley was imprisoned in the Tower of London for his involvement in the brief reign of Lady Jane Grey, the wife of his brother Guildford. Amy was allowed to visit him but he was imprisoned until October 1554 and when he was released the couple had nothing to live on and had to depend on handouts from their families. The couple were again parted when Dudley went to fight for King Philip II of Spain, Mary I’s husband, in 1557 at the Battle of St Quentin in France, but there is no evidence at this point that the couple were anything other than happy and in the summer of 1558 they were looking for a home together in Norfolk, although events soon conspired against them again. In November 1558, Mary I died and Elizabeth I, Dudley’s childhood friend, became Queen of England. Elizabeth soon rewarded Dudley for his friendship and support by making him Master of the Horse. This role required him to be away from Amy at court and to spend most of his time with the Queen. Just five months later, ambassadors and diplomats were repeating the gossip that the Queen was in love with her favourite, Dudley, and that the couple were planning to marry after Amy’s death – Amy had some malady in one of her breasts, probably breast cancer. Although Amy’s health had improved enough for her to visit London in May 1559, she never saw her husband again and she died on Sunday 8th September 1560 at Cumnor Place near Abingdon, her rented accommodation. Her death is rather a mystery. Her body was found at the foot of the stairs when her servants returned from their day out at the Abingdon Fair and although the coroner ruled that Amy, “being alone in a certain chamber … accidentally fell precipitously down”, there were rumours and mutterings that Dudley, and even the queen, had been poisoning Amy and had arranged her death. Today, there are various theories regarding Amy Robsart’s death:- • An accident – That Amy in her weakened condition simply fell down the stairs. • Suicide – The idea that Amy couldn’t take the pain any longer and so ordered her servants out for the day and then threw herself down the stairs. • Murder – Some believe that Dudley was responsible for his wife’s death because he wanted her out of the way so that he could marry Elizabeth, some believe that Amy’s murder was arranged by Dudley and Elizabeth, and still others believe that William Cecil organised Amy’s murder to cause a scandal and prevent Dudley marrying the Queen. • Cancer – Ian Aird, a professor of medicine, put forward the theory in 1956 that Amy’s cancer may well have caused metastatic cancerous deposits in her spine which then could have caused a weakness there. This weakness could have caused her neck to break under the stress of a small fall or even just by Amy walking down the stairs. I don't think Amy Robsart died accidentally. I think Dudley got everyone out of the way and had someone give Amy a little push. He wanted to marry E and thought he could but she chickened out in the end. IMO, with Cecil whispering in her ear. Smart man.
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Post by gabriel on Jun 18, 2010 2:52:40 GMT -5
Here's the boy himself. By Nicholas Hilliard.
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Post by gabriel on Jul 27, 2010 6:04:22 GMT -5
And this is Henry VIII's suit of armour from around 1540. He was a big boy.
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