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May 11, 2010 2:27:17 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 11, 2010 2:27:17 GMT -5
This is a rare photo of RMS Titanic as she leaves Southhampton on her maiden voyage after a near collision with other boats pulled toward her by suction. She has stopped - the water at the stern is still so her props aren't turning and if you look on her starboard side down near water level she's pumping water out. She's waiting for the last of the outfitters who've been aboard to leave then she'll go into an intricate series of twists and turns under the command of pilot George Bowyer and out to open sea. First Cherbourg, then Queenstown. Then, the Atlantic.
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May 11, 2010 2:43:00 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 11, 2010 2:43:00 GMT -5
This photo is reproduced often but it's still pretty good. Taken from a tender at Queenstown looking up the starboard side of Titanic at Captain Smith looking down at them.
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May 11, 2010 2:51:09 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 11, 2010 2:51:09 GMT -5
This is another rare photo of Titanic after the near miss at Southhampton. It gives a great comparison of her size with the other ships. She was massive. The ship on the left, SS New York, has been kept off her by tugs and is being towed around the dock to be tied up. Titanic's suction was so great all the lines holding the New York had snapped and it was heading for a collision with the Titanic. These photos are terrific, especially given the fact that they're 98 years old.
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May 11, 2010 2:57:42 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 11, 2010 2:57:42 GMT -5
Yet another rare photo taken from on board the New York, I'm pretty certain, after it had been tied up. Those tug captains earned their wages that day.
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May 11, 2010 3:02:48 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 11, 2010 3:02:48 GMT -5
This could well be the last photo of the Titanic but I don't think so. She had shade sails let down on the sides over the 1st class promenade when she left Queenstown. I'll keep looking. But it can't be far off the last photo ever taken of her. She's at anchor, probably getting things sorted before Smith gives the order and the engines power up.
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May 11, 2010 7:04:50 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 11, 2010 7:04:50 GMT -5
Well this will be my 300th post so I want it to be something special.
On a special topic, for me. RMS Titanic. There are many things wrong with James Cameron's picture but he was on the money where the look of the ship was concerned. These are deleted scenes from the film. It's iffy they happened. Some sources yes, most no. But it will give you an idea of how she looked in colour.
She was beautiful.
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May 11, 2010 11:00:51 GMT -5
Post by Wonder Woman on May 11, 2010 11:00:51 GMT -5
A movie is a dramatization and so, doesn't have to be precise, as a documentary should be... Loved the movie though. Isn't it amazing how arrogant we are?
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May 11, 2010 11:36:17 GMT -5
Post by dewey on May 11, 2010 11:36:17 GMT -5
Just curious, how do others of you feel about bringing up artifacts from a wreckage site such as the Titanic?
I have mixed emotions about doing so. On one hand I enjoyed seeing some of the items at an exhibit that I went to at the Science Center. But on the other hand I almost see it as grave robbing. Let those who perished......rest in peace.
Where do you draw the line on something like this?
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May 11, 2010 12:12:16 GMT -5
Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 12:12:16 GMT -5
Just curious, how do others of you feel about bringing up artifacts from a wreckage site such as the Titanic? I have mixed emotions about doing so. On one hand I enjoyed seeing some of the items at an exhibit that I went to at the Science Center. But on the other hand I almost see it as grave robbing. Let those who perished......rest in peace. Where do you draw the line on something like this? To quote the Beatles: Let it be.
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May 11, 2010 12:17:28 GMT -5
Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 12:17:28 GMT -5
And the violins played on....
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May 11, 2010 20:31:07 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 11, 2010 20:31:07 GMT -5
Just curious, how do others of you feel about bringing up artifacts from a wreckage site such as the Titanic? I have mixed emotions about doing so. On one hand I enjoyed seeing some of the items at an exhibit that I went to at the Science Center. But on the other hand I almost see it as grave robbing. Let those who perished......rest in peace. Where do you draw the line on something like this? as an owner of a piece of coal from the Titanic I have no problem with salvaging and I don't look at the site as a graveyard but merely wreckage........those people are not there except for their bones I would think if personal possesions were retrieved they should try to find the descendants to whom they would belong but as far as anything belonging to the Titanic I have no problem with people seeing stuff in a exhibit or buying it for themselves such as a plate or cup.
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May 12, 2010 2:12:49 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 12, 2010 2:12:49 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing artifacts up from RMS Titanic. Debris was floating over the ocean for a long time when she sank and a lot of stuff was picked up by boats in the area. Including bodies, to be truthful. The Mackay-Bennett was chartered by The White Star Line out of Newfoundland specifically to look for bodies.
When Robert Ballard actually found her in '86, he did so by following a debris trail on the bottom of the Atlantic. And that in itself is a fascinating story because he was actually on a spying mission for the US govt. And he found the Titanic.
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May 12, 2010 2:32:55 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 12, 2010 2:32:55 GMT -5
So what was the band playing at the end? For years it been assumed to be either the Espiscopalian hymn Autumn or a waltz popular at the time, Songe d'Automne. This comes from the recollections of Harold Bride, the surviving Marconi operator, and he never said which one he meant. Only problem is, neither piece of music is listed in the 1912 White Star Line's music book. You're gonna play as a band, you all have to be on the same page.
So, it's gotta be a song the band all knew and could play together. Nearer My God to Thee was known to be a favourite of the bandmaster, Wallace Hartley, and was the hymn played at the graveside at burials of members of the Musicians Union.
On April 22, 1912, a week after the sinking a colleague of Hartley's was interviewed by the Daily Mail. He had himself asked Hartley what he would play if he found himself on a sinking ship.
Hartley replied, either O God Our Help in Ages Past or Nearer My God to Thee.
Ref: Unsinkable, the Full Story. Daniel Allen Butler.
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May 12, 2010 2:50:46 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 12, 2010 2:50:46 GMT -5
This is a great view of her in Southhampton, after the near collision, waiting for the the tugs to remove the last workers before she moves out into the Atlantic. You know she's at anchor because if you look along her starboard side (the side facing) you'll see a rectangular piece of white about 3 quarters along. That's a loading door open. And there's smoke coming out of only the 3rd stack so she's not moving. Did you know the 4th stack, the last one, was a dummy? Added to balance her dimensions and make her look as beautiful as she was. It also added to the impression of power and speed. The Titanic wasn't as fast as the Cunard liners Mauritania and Lusitania. She wasn't designed to be, although J Bruce Ismay may have had other ideas. She was designed to be a floating palace. What a pity she didn't have enough lifeboats.
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May 12, 2010 9:22:31 GMT -5
Post by sadie on May 12, 2010 9:22:31 GMT -5
I don't see the site as sacred. I think the stuff is also pretty cool to look at and very historical. I saw the episode of TAPS where they investigated the Titanic stuff that moves around the country and is supposedly haunted. That was pretty wild!
I also remember that plane that crashed off the coast of Canada that supposedly had millions of dollars worth of stuff in it and people didn't want that to be salvaged because their loved ones were down there. I'm saying publicly right now......if my dead body is laying on top of millions of dollars of diamonds........feel free to kick it off and go for the money.......I promise I won't feel a thing!!!
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