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May 12, 2010 17:13:53 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 12, 2010 17:13:53 GMT -5
I guess the most vocal advocate of leaving the site and all the artifacts alone is Robert Ballard. Now, I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that he's always looked upon the Titanic as 'his' because he found it. Unfortunately for him and all the people who agree with him, the wreck is in international waters so it can't be fenced off.
I understand to a certain degree what he's saying. Well, I'd think of it anyway as the submersible was heading down to the site.....
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May 13, 2010 6:26:11 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 13, 2010 6:26:11 GMT -5
I'll continue to post photos of her for a bit longer before I go into other topics. I can't get this any bigger but geez again it's rare. A walkway being lifted to her main door on D Deck at Queenstown.
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May 13, 2010 7:06:55 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 13, 2010 7:06:55 GMT -5
And another courtesy of Father Brown. I can't make it larger. Illegal tenders off the Titanic in Queenstown. But his photos are terrific. I have the book of his photos. And this one gives you a terrific view of the starboard side where she hit the iceberg. All those bumps you can see. They're rivets. 2 pieces of steel held together while a group of 3 men heat a rivet, catch it then pound it into place to keep the 2 pieces of steel together. There's a lot of discussion that the the rivets and the steel plates weren't pure and as good as they should have been.
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May 14, 2010 6:28:50 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 14, 2010 6:28:50 GMT -5
OK This is a photo of the officers of the Titanic. So you can put names to faces. Now, I'm doing this from memory and I could be wrong so if you know I definitely am please let me know. FRONT ROW: 6th Officer James Moody (lost); Henry Wilde Chief Officer (lost); Capt E J Smith (lost); 1st Officer William Murdoch (lost);. BACK ROW: Chief Purser Herbert McElroy (lost); 2nd officer Charles Lightoller (survived); 3rd Officer Herbert Pitman (survived); 4th Officer Joseph Boxhall (survived); 5th Officer Harold Lowe (survived)
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May 14, 2010 9:28:24 GMT -5
Post by brumsongs on May 14, 2010 9:28:24 GMT -5
The anchor for the Titanic was made 2 miles away from where I live, in netherton. Here's a picture of it leaving the factory. On a side note I'm currently rehearsing a stage show based on The Titanic and the various musicians aboard. www.titanicband.com/Photo insert by Gabriel
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May 14, 2010 13:05:58 GMT -5
Post by sadie on May 14, 2010 13:05:58 GMT -5
How awesome Brum.......... both the picture and the deal about you being in the show! Think you should all wear life vests for the performance........
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May 14, 2010 22:32:47 GMT -5
Post by Wonder Woman on May 14, 2010 22:32:47 GMT -5
Awesome, Brums.............. I think I recognize that guy!!
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May 16, 2010 6:35:34 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 16, 2010 6:35:34 GMT -5
www.titanicmemorialcruise.co.uk/?gclid=CLyu1r3F1qECFcIvpAodvyyNHwBritish travel firm Miles Morgan Travel are taking reservations for this unique cruise that will commemorate the Titanic's tragic voyage in April 1912. Our voyage of a lifetime will sail from Southampton on 8th April 2012 the twelve night cruise on board the MS Balmoral and will follow the RMS Titanic's original itinerary, passing by Cherbourg on the French coast before calling into the Irish port of Cobh. From here the ship will sail across the Atlantic, arriving at the Titanic site on April 14th/15th exactly 100 years on from this tragic voyage, where a memorial service will be held to pay tribute to the brave passengers and crew who perished on that fateful night. The voyage will then continue to Halifax, Nova Scotia, the final resting place of many who were on board, before sailing on to New York, the Titanic's ultimate planned destination. This is obviously a unique event and such is the interest in the 100th anniversary of the Titanic it is highly recommended that a booking be made as soon as possible. And it will be the 100th anniversary of her sinking.
Really interesting. I'm thinking of going back to the UK next year. If it's good enough I'm prepared to hold off till 2012.
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May 17, 2010 3:28:36 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 17, 2010 3:28:36 GMT -5
Many people believe that the victims drowned and I guess quite a few did. But mostly, they succumbed to hypothermia. Here's a really interesting site about RMS Titanic.www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/titanic.phpHow long could the people have remained alive in the water?On the night of the Titanic sinking, the temperature of the salt water was likely around 28° F. The human body loses heat to the water about 30 times faster than it does to the air. When the core body temperature falls to approximately 89° F, a decrease in consciousness occurs. If the core temperature cools to below 86° F, then heart failure becomes a major concern, as it is the most common cause of hypothermia-related deaths. The people in the bone chilling 28° water above the sinking Titanic would have had anywhere from several minutes to an hour to live, depending on their physical condition and how much they flailed. Some people in the water might have believed that swimming would help their body to generate heat. In reality, people who swam or moved around a lot would have lost heat 35-50% faster and been susceptible to exhaustion. There were even several people who died from hypothermia in the Titanic lifeboats, because they were open and gave no protection against the cold. Regulations have since been put in place that require lifeboats to be fully or partially enclosed. Damned if you did and damned if you didn't. Not much of a choice, was it?
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May 18, 2010 5:14:51 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 18, 2010 5:14:51 GMT -5
Well, I've just been trolling through the lists of survivors and there is one of my very distantly related kinsman. He was a very lowly crewman. Why am I not surprised? However, he survived when Mr Astor with all his millions bit the bullet. Lack of breeding old sport, or too much common sense and a family to support? Anyway, my favourite survivor story. I just think this guy was great. Charles Joughin, age 32, Chief Baker, RMS Titanic. If you look at the clip I posted, towards the end he's the one throwing deck chairs over the side. This dude got himself blind drunk and climbed up to the very end of the stern of the Titanic. He rode the ship down until it hit the sea and by his account he just walked off into the water. I don't think it was as simple as that but if you'd had as much to drink as I think he'd had, it would probably seem that easy. He was pulled into a lifeboat but I suspect the alcohol going through his veins would have had him numbed before he hit the water. What a way to survive the Titanic.
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May 21, 2010 7:13:04 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 21, 2010 7:13:04 GMT -5
A retrospective of the sinking. In 2 more years it will be the centenary. There are no living survivors left any more.
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May 21, 2010 10:17:47 GMT -5
Post by sadie on May 21, 2010 10:17:47 GMT -5
I would think drunk would be the only I would have wanted to survive that........I'm sure there are a bunch of things that happened that I would prefer that I imagined....rather than know for "sure" that I saw.
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May 22, 2010 1:43:28 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 22, 2010 1:43:28 GMT -5
Quite a few of the survivors gave eyewitness testimony to the Titanic breaking her back as she sank and breaking into 2 distinct pieces, the last of which was the stern.
I don't know where the idea of her going down in one piece came from but it wasn't until Ballard found her that it was finally proved she'd come apart.
This clip gives a pretty good telling of how she went down.
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May 23, 2010 1:15:42 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 23, 2010 1:15:42 GMT -5
No wonder my very distant relation was working as a lowly crew member.www.titanic1.org/articles/titanicpastandpresent1.aspOnly the privileged could take advantage of these luxurious accommodations which cost as much as $4,350 in high season (Summer) for the six day crossing. On board ship meals are included in the ticket price; the first class passengers' dining (saloon) room was styled in magnificent Jacobean surroundings. For those who wanted to dine in an exclusive setting where meals were charged extra and served on fine china, silverplate and glassware, the à la carte restaurant in Louis Seize motif, French walnut panelling and richly gilded carvings was for the select few. And that's in 1912 money. For 6 days. The rich really were seriously rich, weren't they?
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May 31, 2010 1:00:51 GMT -5
Post by gabriel on May 31, 2010 1:00:51 GMT -5
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8705942.stmTitanic musician and palace intruder enter dictionary Wallace Hartley sailed on the Titanic in April 1912 A teenager who broke into Buckingham Palace three times and the Titanic band leader are among 90 people added to the updated Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.Dictionary editor Philip Carter said they were examples of lives that were connected with well-known events. Edward Jones claimed he sat upon the throne during his palace escapades in the late 1830s, his entry says. Wallace Hartley famously played on deck as the Titanic sank in 1912. The dictionary was first published in 2004, and now contains 57,348 lives, with about 300 added every year. No living person is included in the dictionary. Edward Jones became a household name after three successful entries into Buckingham Palace as a teenager, including one within days of Queen Victoria giving birth. He claimed he wanted to see what life was like inside the palace, but was twice sentenced to hard labour for trespass. Reluctantly sent to sea to remove him from further mischief, he was known as "an emblem of persistent, if inappropriate, ambition", the dictionary says. With press coverage, serious concern from the Home Office, and interest from Charles Dickens, Dr Carter said: "There was huge interest in this individual and it was a well-known event. We wanted to reflect those kind of episodes and aspects of British life." The story of Wallace Hartley is more well known in the 21st Century. He and his seven-man orchestra have had 13 memorials worldwide erected to them, double the number erected to the Titanic's captain, the dictionary says. The band played until the ship sank at 0220 on 15 April 1912, less than three hours after hitting an iceberg on its maiden voyage from Southampton to New York. Their last tune was Nearer, my God, to thee. Mr Hartley was found with his violin strapped to his body. "As victims who acted courageously and benevolently, and who were in no way responsible for the Titanic's loss, the ship's musicians became emblematic of the dignity and heroism shown by many during the disaster," his entry says.
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