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Post by men an tol on Apr 15, 2019 11:17:39 GMT -5
why not just buy books.... this really is another un-neceasry plastic toy.. using up resources.. I thought we were supposed to be looking after the planet in regard to those who go on about climate change and others who go on about pollution shouldn't these things be on a no no list on several levels,.. the machinery need to construct and the on going electricity needed to make it work Audio books are nothing new, mouse. They've been around a long time. If that's your attitude, why not dump the computers and go back to getting the news from paper sources. You stick to what you like and don't trouble yourself about what other people enjoy. If you have a fear electronics will bring on climate change, start a thread about it. If you can't handle Alexa, give her to somebody else who would enjoy the novelty. Reading (in my opinion) is more than simply reading the words, but rather it is a combined effort of both the writer and the reader. Together their word comprehension, and life experiences, make an understanding nearly unique to that individual writer and reader. As part of that (again in my opinion), the act of the reader holding the book is part of that activity. Yes, the words are same in terms of reading some electronic media and the words on a book page, but (for me) holding the book heightens the reading experience. For example, Moby Dick is a story known by most people, but the experiences of both writer and reader can make a “reading” unique. Even the simple opening of walking down to a sea port is expanded by the experience of the writer being able to describe such a walk and the reader who has been (or hasn’t) been near to a sea port or had some experience sailing. Those who have had their hand on a ship mast under full sail of a strong wind will develop a very different reading from those who have never sailed, no matter the skills of description of the writer. Multiple people can read the same passage and get very different interpretations simply because of their life experiences. For me this is more than simply reading, but holding the book I believe is the leverage into that reading experience.
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Post by Sysop3 on Apr 15, 2019 16:19:53 GMT -5
To each their own. It's all good.
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Post by annaj26 on Apr 15, 2019 23:16:00 GMT -5
Well said, Sysop3.
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Post by mouse on Apr 16, 2019 3:23:59 GMT -5
mouse, you might as well say, "take away our TV sets and give us back our radios". If you don't want to use audio books, that's no reason to begrudge other people who do. in am assuming none of you who have commented can read or understand what is written..... for my point is not a ludite point of stopping progress or...invention or innovation...and certainly not begrudging others it is a comment on the way we live... and all the un-necessary uses of resources to make goods which in turn also use resources making toys for the first world to use in leisure time... toys which are not necessary for any ones well being and realty only benefit those who are selling them
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Post by mouse on Apr 16, 2019 3:37:42 GMT -5
I understand what your saying absolutely Anna, however my point is we now have so many un-necessary toys and they all need charging up with electricity...and they all need to be manufactured etc etc.... my point is that if we are serious about pollution then we have to start looking at all the toys we buy and use which have impact on our planet and weed out those which are not necessary and which are luxuries computers and computerisation.. I would say that personal computers are just as necessary as systems in schools/armed services and hospitals for information/learning/and means of comuni cation and an aid to the housebound and lonely un-nesscesary are patio and out door heaters..and houses and cities lit up like Christmas trees... at some point we will have to prioritise because water is running out and the making of electricity will have a saturation point I don't think audio books are going to take us to any kind of saturation point, mouse. Also, you might want to consider - advances provide jobs for people who need them. You've lived longer than I have so you might see things differently, but I can't think of a time we've ever gone backwards. Enjoy audio books and find something else to worry about. again you miss the point.. audio books are just one example of un-necessary consumtion of resources... our resources are not infinite looking at audio books etc.. I would imagine theres not a great deal of human imput given the shapes and the mouldings factory made yes I am older than you,.. its not about going backwards[although on some levels we have] did I say I was worried about audio books .. trust me there are far more serious issues to worry about … however audio books are a just a symptom of a greater problem abnd the fact non of you can see it....is part of the problem
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Post by fretslider on Apr 16, 2019 6:57:16 GMT -5
Thankfully, I can still turn the lights on and off, I can still put music on, change TV channel etc etc and that's the way I intend to continue.
Smart meters and the internet of things can be controlled and hacked and they will be. Blackouts - renewables can't do the 24/7 thing - will be fine tuned rather than just a blanket area.
Even now there are people with ears flapping listening to you - let's hope you make it interesting!
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Post by Dex on Apr 16, 2019 10:29:47 GMT -5
mouse might also want to think about the many people who have medical conditions, handicaps or blindness and use audio books to be able to enjoy the same interests as the rest of us. The thread was about whether Alexa spies on us and how important that might or might not be. My wife and I couldn't care less because it's a marketing angle. If it started pushing Trump propaganda we'd protest.
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Post by beth on Apr 16, 2019 11:10:23 GMT -5
Thankfully, I can still turn the lights on and off, I can still put music on, change TV channel etc etc and that's the way I intend to continue. Lucky you, but don't be too quick to take a bow. Also, don't assume your way is the best way for everyone. Arrogance doesn't always give us an edge. I'll bet you knew that.
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Post by Jessiealan on Apr 16, 2019 13:06:52 GMT -5
mouse might also want to think about the many people who have medical conditions, handicaps or blindness and use audio books to be able to enjoy the same interests as the rest of us. The thread was about whether Alexa spies on us and how important that might or might not be. My wife and I couldn't care less because it's a marketing angle. If it started pushing Trump propaganda we'd protest. Sometimes, as we get older, innovation seems like a ticking clock, moving our lives along too quickly. I still enjoy reading (Moby Dick is a good example, Men an tol), but I also enjoy audio books. If mouse and Fret want to thumb their noses, I couldn't care less. In my humble opinion, it's their loss.
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Post by Jessiealan on Apr 16, 2019 13:21:10 GMT -5
why not just buy books.... this really is another un-neceasry plastic toy.. using up resources.. I thought we were supposed to be looking after the planet in regard to those who go on about climate change and others who go on about pollution shouldn't these things be on a no no list on several levels,.. the machinery need to construct and the on going electricity needed to make it work Because, mouse, storage becomes a problem. I've also noticed older books deteriorate with age, even when kept in a dry warm environment. While I do not want to part with my paper books, I'm very satisfied with having audio books to read for enjoyment. As far as Alexa is concerned, it is a device that sets up Amazon orders for me when I wish - easily and quickly .. and also alerts me to when my mail or packages are delivered to the front door. If it also is a handy way to control the lights, lock or unlock the doors and read my Sue Grafton novels, so much the better. C'est la vie
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Post by mouse on Apr 17, 2019 3:20:59 GMT -5
mouse might also want to think about the many people who have medical conditions, handicaps or blindness and use audio books to be able to enjoy the same interests as the rest of us. The thread was about whether Alexa spies on us and how important that might or might not be. My wife and I couldn't care less because it's a marketing angle. If it started pushing Trump propaganda we'd protest. people with medical condition already have audio books as you yourself already pointed out pointed out and none of you address the point of the consumption of resources of plastics.. metals and electricity.. the west is over loaded with un-necessary toys for westerners the same westerners who wail about pollution an climate change[not that pollution and climate change are the same thing.]. but hey who cares does Alexa spy..it would not suprise any one ..afterall the people in the west are very manipulated and spied on every which way every day via their toys whether its for tracking movement or intelligence gathering for the marketing men I get the point about storage and its a valid point about room and the aging of books .. can only repeat for my point is not a ludite point of stopping progress or...invention or innovation...and certainly not begrudging others it is a comment on the way we live... and all the un-necessary uses of resources to make goods which in turn also use resources making toys for the first world to use in leisure time... toys which are not necessary for any ones well being and realty only benefit those who are selling them … however audio books are a just a symptom of a greater problem abnd the fact non of you can see it....is part of the problem
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Post by Dex on Apr 17, 2019 8:29:13 GMT -5
There's no point arguing with you, mouse. All it does is take the thread off topic.
So what audio books are you other people reading now? Do they have non-fiction?
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Post by mouse on Apr 18, 2019 4:04:18 GMT -5
There's no point arguing with you, mouse. All it does is take the thread off topic. So what audio books are you other people reading now? Do they have non-fiction? I gather they have a whole range available as friend in hospital was also given a booklet of titles when in hospital .. I don't have one as for off topic...Alexa listen carefully.. back off...…okay so exactly what is the topic ? spying.. intrusion of privacy ,,,the tentative steps of a big brother society,, technology in the home ..toys that come back to bite.. the over loading of electrical devices in society in the home and for the individual
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Post by fretslider on Apr 18, 2019 6:25:49 GMT -5
Thankfully, I can still turn the lights on and off, I can still put music on, change TV channel etc etc and that's the way I intend to continue. Lucky you, but don't be too quick to take a bow. Also, don't assume your way is the best way for everyone. Arrogance doesn't always give us an edge. I'll bet you knew that. It's all down to how much privacy you want or are willing to concede. I won't give an inch. That's me, but I have no intention of telling others what to do, that's up to them. What a far-right opinion!
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Post by annaj26 on Apr 18, 2019 7:54:39 GMT -5
There's no point arguing with you, mouse. All it does is take the thread off topic. So what audio books are you other people reading now? Do they have non-fiction? I gather they have a whole range available as friend in hospital was given a booklet of titles when in hospital .. I don't have one as for off topic...Alexa listen carefully.. back off...…okay so exactly what is the topic ? spying.. intrusion of privacy ,,,the tentative steps of a big brother society,, technology in the home ..toys that come back to bite.. the over loading of electrical devices in society in the home and for the individual Mouse, here's the address. They have all kinds of choices, old and new. They are very very popular with people where I work, both the nurses and technicians on break or split shifts, and with patients. You don't have to use Alexa - although it's handy, you can get an ap for your phone or computer or whatever. audible.com I'm going to get the Bob Woodward book, Fear, for my May choice. It will take me all month to find time to read it but it'll be worth the trouble, I think.
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