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Oct 11, 2016 15:35:02 GMT -5
Post by fretslider on Oct 11, 2016 15:35:02 GMT -5
Workfare is a work programme aimed at the long-term unemployed. People desperate to work will find work, any paid work. No they won't that is a lie. You can't find what is not there. It is shameful you support slavery. I doubt you would be in favour of it if you are forced into it. It is shameful you support slavery...You believe in Mohammed and he was a regular in the slave market. Do you, like most good muslims, try to emulate his example? Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.www.iqrasense.com/quranic-tafsir/prophet-muhammad-was-sent-as-an-example.htmlGreat example, eh. Slavery and paedophilia.
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Oct 11, 2016 19:07:56 GMT -5
Post by annaj26 on Oct 11, 2016 19:07:56 GMT -5
Yeah, that's pretty chilly. Hard to do without heat at 49 degrees F.
I know a couple of people who work at the Amazon warehouses here. It's no piece of cake but I think they get paid better than you did.
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Oct 11, 2016 22:02:15 GMT -5
Post by kronks on Oct 11, 2016 22:02:15 GMT -5
No they won't that is a lie. You can't find what is not there. It is shameful you support slavery. I doubt you would be in favour of it if you are forced into it. At age 51, I took two different minimum wage jobs to keep money coming in and show my sons I wasn't above taking a menial job to keep us going, one was in an unheated warehouse in the winter...allday with no heat....even lunchroom was cold....all for $7.25/hour And if you could not find work would you have been happy to do the same jobs as a slave laborer? Would you be happy for your children to be used as slave labour?
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Oct 11, 2016 22:04:08 GMT -5
Post by kronks on Oct 11, 2016 22:04:08 GMT -5
I have a better idea, why don't you get real. Seems you are in favor of slavery safe in the knowledge you wont be forced into it. No the system is not abuse, the unemployed are being abused by greedy heartless folk like you. You demonisation of the unemployed is the same as Hitlers demonstration of the Jews, you are speaking the language of murder. Disgraceful. Pure evil. Similar arguments were used for enslaving blacks in the past. Sickening stuff. Kronks, this is you trying to impress somebody. You are making no sense at all in replying to the post you quoted. Way over the top. Not trying to impress anyone if you were impress I apologise, However I won't apologies for slavery under any circumstances. Not over the top. advocating slavery is.
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Oct 11, 2016 22:09:21 GMT -5
Post by kronks on Oct 11, 2016 22:09:21 GMT -5
No they won't that is a lie. You can't find what is not there. It is shameful you support slavery. I doubt you would be in favour of it if you are forced into it. Here is a definition of slavery from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery): Slavery is a legal or economic system in which principles of property law are applied to humans allowing them to be classified as property,[1] to be owned, bought and sold accordingly, and they cannot withdraw unilaterally from the arrangement. While a person is enslaved, the owner is entitled to the productivity of the slave's labour, without any remuneration. The rights and protection of the slave may be regulated by laws and customs in a particular time and place, and a person may become a slave from the time of their capture, purchase or birth. Today, chattel slavery is unlawful in all countries of the West, but in non-West countries a person may still be described as a slave if he or she is forced to work for another person without an ability on their part to unilaterally terminate the arrangement. Such situations are today commonly referred to as "practices similar to slavery". The present form of the slave trade is commonly referred to as human trafficking. Slavery existed before written history and in many cultures.[2] It was once institutionally recognized by most societies, but has now been outlawed in all recognized countries,[3][4] the last being Mauritania in 2007. Chattel slavery is still practiced in areas controlled by ISIS. In other areas slavery continues through such practices as debt bondage, serfdom, domestic servants kept in captivity, certain adoptions in which children are forced to work as slaves, child soldiers, human trafficking, and forced marriage.[5] Accordingly, there are more slaves today than at any time in history, with an estimated 45 million slaves worldwide.[6] 1. Laura Brace (2004). The Politics of Property: Labour, Freedom and Belonging. Edinburgh University Press. pp. 162–. ISBN 978-0-7486-1535-3. Retrieved May 31, 2012. 2. "Historical survey: Slave-owning societies". Encyclopædia Britannica. Archived from the original on 2007-02-23. 3. Kevin Bales (2004). New Slavery: A Reference Handbook. ABC-CLIO. p. 4. ISBN 978-1-85109-815-6. Retrieved 2016-02-11. 4. Shelley K. White; Jonathan M. White; Kathleen Odell Korgen (27 May 2014). Sociologists in Action on Inequalities: Race, Class, Gender, and Sexuality. SAGE Publications. p. 43. ISBN 978-1-4833-1147-0. 5. "Religion & Ethics – Modern slavery: Modern forms of slavery". BBC. January 30, 2007. Retrieved June 16, 2009. 6. "Modern slavery estimated to trap 45 million people worldwide". nytimes.com. 31 May 2016. Retrieved 1 June 2016. Keep in mind that these things are the result of the core values of the society and they are all illegal in the West. In societies that are run by some religions (such as Islam) Slavery is still legal. It is still legal in the UK and USA, I know what slavery is, I don't need wikipedia or to read the contents of the national library to that. It is work for less than a living wage, particularly working for basic subsistence in a wealthy country, such as the UK or USA whilst billionaire profit form it. It is sick pure and simple. You will note that only the companies who have paid politicians (ie the Clintons) for speeches will be allowed a slave, justthe big corps, never the needy. Wake up it is sick.
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Oct 11, 2016 22:10:37 GMT -5
Post by kronks on Oct 11, 2016 22:10:37 GMT -5
But didn't you live in a part of CA where the weather was warm? lived in the bay area at that time, but the winters are damp, rainy and about 45° during the day How did you ever survive.
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Oct 11, 2016 22:16:39 GMT -5
Post by kronks on Oct 11, 2016 22:16:39 GMT -5
No they won't that is a lie. You can't find what is not there. It is shameful you support slavery. I doubt you would be in favour of it if you are forced into it. It is shameful you support slavery...You believe in Mohammed and he was a regular in the slave market. Do you, like most good muslims, try to emulate his example? Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.www.iqrasense.com/quranic-tafsir/prophet-muhammad-was-sent-as-an-example.htmlGreat example, eh. Slavery and paedophilia. The USA still used slaves (now) and allowed marriage at similar ages in the past. The age of consent in the USA was 7 just over a century ago (121 years). You really need look at your own country, ancestors, religion or lack there of before you start critising those further afield. Yes those non-Islam pedophiles in the USA, you don't mention them much do you!! And all of it approved and sanctioned by......George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, James Monroe and, of course, Benjamin Franklin. And the USA electorate, let's not forget those fine upstanding citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:51:37 GMT -5
lived in the bay area at that time, but the winters are damp, rainy and about 45° during the day How did you ever survive. It was tough lol I grew up in Upper Michigan so I really have nothing to complain about in California
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:54:11 GMT -5
At age 51, I took two different minimum wage jobs to keep money coming in and show my sons I wasn't above taking a menial job to keep us going, one was in an unheated warehouse in the winter...allday with no heat....even lunchroom was cold....all for $7.25/hour And if you could not find work would you have been happy to do the same jobs as a slave laborer? Would you be happy for your children to be used as slave labour? I would have stayed on unemployment and survived on their survivor benefits from their dad's death. We have rules that are strictly enforced on working minors in businesses. There are no slave labor jobs....people can come and go on jobs...nothing binds them like a slave.
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Oct 11, 2016 23:34:42 GMT -5
Post by kronks on Oct 11, 2016 23:34:42 GMT -5
And if you could not find work would you have been happy to do the same jobs as a slave laborer? Would you be happy for your children to be used as slave labour? I would have stayed on unemployment and survived on their survivor benefits from their dad's death. We have rules that are strictly enforced on working minors in businesses. There are no slave labor jobs....people can come and go on jobs...nothing binds them like a slave. You would not in the UK you would have been forced to do workfare slavery, possibly in your old job! If you can't get a job you have to do workfare, and why would anyone hire anyone when they can use slaves instead?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 23:37:33 GMT -5
I would have stayed on unemployment and survived on their survivor benefits from their dad's death. We have rules that are strictly enforced on working minors in businesses. There are no slave labor jobs....people can come and go on jobs...nothing binds them like a slave. You would not in the UK you would have been forced to do workfare slavery, possibly in your old job! If you can't get a job you have to do workfare, and why would anyone hire anyone when they can use slaves instead? [/quote Is workfare making people on the public dole go to work? That's not slavery....it's paying for the benefits one takes....wish it was done here
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Oct 12, 2016 0:15:32 GMT -5
Post by kronks on Oct 12, 2016 0:15:32 GMT -5
You would not in the UK you would have been forced to do workfare slavery, possibly in your old job! If you can't get a job you have to do workfare, and why would anyone hire anyone when they can use slaves instead? [/quote Is workfare making people on the public dole go to work? That's not slavery....it's paying for the benefits one takes....wish it was done here No it is not benefits are covered by national insurance. If you are working you should be paid a wage. That is supposed to be the law. Why do people pay national insurance if they have to work for their benefits? Would you take out an insurance policy on your car which didn't pay out and instead made you work to cover the cost of repairing your car? Benefits cover you when there is no work available. If work is available the job should be advertised for a wage so you can apply for it, not be used as a SLAVE.
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Post by men an tol on Oct 12, 2016 0:20:22 GMT -5
Here is a definition of slavery from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery): Slavery is a legal or economic system in which principles of property law are applied to humans allowing them to be classified as property,[1] to be owned, bought and sold accordingly, and they cannot withdraw unilaterally from the arrangement. While a person is enslaved, the owner is entitled to the productivity of the slave's labour, without any remuneration. The rights and protection of the slave may be regulated by laws and customs in a particular time and place, and a person may become a slave from the time of their capture, purchase or birth. Today, chattel slavery is unlawful in all countries of the West, but in non-West countries a person may still be described as a slave if he or she is forced to work for another person without an ability on their part to unilaterally terminate the arrangement. Such situations are today commonly referred to as "practices similar to slavery". The present form of the slave trade is commonly referred to as human trafficking. Slavery existed before written history and in many cultures.[2] It was once institutionally recognized by most societies, but has now been outlawed in all recognized countries,[3][4] the last being Mauritania in 2007. Chattel slavery is still practiced in areas controlled by ISIS. In other areas slavery continues through such practices as debt bondage, serfdom, domestic servants kept in captivity, certain adoptions in which children are forced to work as slaves, child soldiers, human trafficking, and forced marriage.[5] Accordingly, there are more slaves today than at any time in history, with an estimated 45 million slaves worldwide.[6] 1. Laura Brace (2004). The Politics of Property: Labour, Freedom and Belonging. Edinburgh University Press. pp. 162–. ISBN 978-0-7486-1535-3. Retrieved May 31, 2012. 2. "Historical survey: Slave-owning societies". Encyclopædia Britannica. Archived from the original on 2007-02-23. 3. Kevin Bales (2004). New Slavery: A Reference Handbook. ABC-CLIO. p. 4. ISBN 978-1-85109-815-6. Retrieved 2016-02-11. 4. Shelley K. White; Jonathan M. White; Kathleen Odell Korgen (27 May 2014). Sociologists in Action on Inequalities: Race, Class, Gender, and Sexuality. SAGE Publications. p. 43. ISBN 978-1-4833-1147-0. 5. "Religion & Ethics – Modern slavery: Modern forms of slavery". BBC. January 30, 2007. Retrieved June 16, 2009. 6. "Modern slavery estimated to trap 45 million people worldwide". nytimes.com. 31 May 2016. Retrieved 1 June 2016. Keep in mind that these things are the result of the core values of the society and they are all illegal in the West. In societies that are run by some religions (such as Islam) Slavery is still legal. It is still legal in the UK and USA, I know what slavery is, I don't need wikipedia or to read the contents of the national library to that. It is work for less than a living wage, particularly working for basic subsistence in a wealthy country, such as the UK or USA whilst billionaire profit form it. It is sick pure and simple. You will note that only the companies who have paid politicians (ie the Clintons) for speeches will be allowed a slave, justthe big corps, never the needy. Wake up it is sick. No you are quite wrong Kronks. The situations you describe are not slavery no matter how much you want to say they are slavery. Why you persist in such a distorted view of slavery I cannot not understand as in doing so you are minimizing the worth of the lives of those really are slaves. Obviously slavery is part and parcel of the Islamic core values. Maybe you just want to try to drag all other people down to their level by trying to equate their slavery to economic positions in the West. Go ahead and continue in that effort as it only makes Islam more pathetically disgusting but they are your friends so do as you will. No one as an individual and no one as a scholar agrees with your perspective. Continue on living in the echo of your own voice.
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Post by mouse on Oct 12, 2016 3:38:35 GMT -5
get real for crying out loud...any good reason they shouldn't work for their benefits?..you know as well as I know that the system is greatly abused with people who are fit..doing nothing more strenuous than collecting their benefits ....or collecting their beneifits and working on the QT the abuses are out rageous and a national disgrace....but slavery it isn't and if these people are so upset by being expected to actually work for bennifits ...it might just concentrate their minds to go and find real paid work and if theres no locally them whats stopping them moving elsewhere to find work....afterall that is what many working people do...they relocate to where the jobs are I have a better idea, why don't you get real. Seems you are in favor of slavery safe in the knowledge you wont be forced into it. No the system is not abuse, the unemployed are being abused by greedy heartless folk like you. You demonisation of the unemployed is the same as Hitlers demonstration of the Jews, you are speaking the language of murder. Disgraceful. Pure evil. Similar arguments were used for enslaving blacks in the past. Sickening stuff. tsk tsk tsk...hit a nerve did I ? the system is abused on a grand scale and you know it ....as do the other Brits on here..gawd knows theres enough information about it...at every possible level..from serious internal and external reports and investigations ..court cases..medical reports/school reports....and tv abounds with the unemployed and unemployable..some with totally unrealistic expectations.. .theres no good reason why the unemployed shouldn't work for their benefits...they should be made to work in the voluntary sector work fare is aimed at the long term unemployed and is only one idea put into practise to get unemployed back into the routine and rythem of employment.. I save my sympathy for the genuine unemployed...not the likes of the case I posted earlier in the thread Demonisation of the unemployed...oh purlese....and I abuse the unemployed :Dand am heartless..oh my word... as for comparing any critical comment of the unemployed to the treatment of the Jews in Hitlers Germany..that is just plain hysterics..clearly you have an axe to grind and a big chip upon your shoulder """""Seems you are in favor of slavery safe in the knowledge you wont be forced into it""" WHAT !!!!!!
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Oct 12, 2016 3:49:20 GMT -5
Post by mouse on Oct 12, 2016 3:49:20 GMT -5
I would have stayed on unemployment and survived on their survivor benefits from their dad's death. We have rules that are strictly enforced on working minors in businesses. There are no slave labor jobs....people can come and go on jobs...nothing binds them like a slave. You would not in the UK you would have been forced to do workfare slavery, possibly in your old job! If you can't get a job you have to do workfare, and why would anyone hire anyone when they can use slaves instead? """IF you can't get a job you have to do workfare""" """not in the UK you would have been forced to do workfare slavery, possibly in your old job!""" that is not true ... """"Why do people pay national insurance if they have to work for their benefits?"""" NI covers more than unemployment benefits....it covers medical as well if you have never worked then you have never paid NI...so the girls in the case I posted not only not paid into the system she has lived off the system for some 5-6yrs and used the NHS as well...now that is 100%abuse of the system over years....now how fair is that to the tax paying worker
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