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Post by annaj26 on Aug 14, 2016 13:38:52 GMT -5
Iowa medical, psychology boards mull conversion therapy rule Iowa boards overseeing doctors and psychologists considered Friday whether to adopt a policy that would ban state-licensed professionals from counseling gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender children to change their sexual orientation in a practice known as conversion therapy. The Iowa Board of Psychology on Friday voted to deny a petition that would have prohibited Iowa licensed mental health providers from trying to reverse a patient's sexual orientation, said board spokeswoman Sharon Dozier. She declined to discuss the reasons, saying the board will release its full decision later. The petition submitted in February was signed by 695 people. It said a third of LGBTQ individuals report they were sent outside the home to a therapist or religious leader to "cure, treat or change their sexual orientation." LGBTQ stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer or questioning. An Iowa Board of Medicine committee declined to take action Friday on the ban. Committee Chairman Ronald Cheney said the group needs further study before making a recommendation to the full board. The board, which licenses and regulates medical doctors in Iowa, also was petitioned in February. The board denied the petition in April, saying it needed more information and assigned the four-member committee to study it. The issue has become controversial, and the Obama administration in April called for an end to the practice. Seventeen states have considered laws that would prohibit conversion therapy. California, New Jersey, Oregon, Illinois, Vermont and Washington D.C. have passed such laws. A group of pastors is suing Illinois over its law, contending in a Thursday filing that the prohibition violates free speech and religious rights. Illinois' law applies to therapists and other licensed counselors, but the portion of the law that concerns pastors makes anyone liable for consumer fraud if they practice or advertise conversion therapy that portrays homosexuality as a mental disorder. www.yahoo.com/news/iowa-medical-psychology-boards-mull-conversion-therapy-rule-204353424.html
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Post by Chelonian on Aug 14, 2016 13:58:26 GMT -5
Free speech and religious rights? What about the rights of those who don't want religious and intolerant people to try and force them to be something they're not?
The law would be a good thing imo. Doctors and psychiatrists should focus on real problems. Not their own prejudices.
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Post by beth on Aug 14, 2016 15:37:54 GMT -5
Seventeen states have considered laws that would prohibit conversion therapy. California, New Jersey, Oregon, Illinois, Vermont and Washington D.C. have passed such laws. A group of pastors is suing Illinois over its law, contending in a Thursday filing that the prohibition violates free speech and religious rights. Illinois' law applies to therapists and other licensed counselors, but the portion of the law that concerns pastors makes anyone liable for consumer fraud if they practice or advertise conversion therapy that portrays homosexuality as a mental disorder. Not sure I understand this one completely. Does anyone force people to choose and go through this kind of therapy? Surely not! So, if not, and they want to .. why would it be a bad move to provide it. It really does sound ridiculous, but that state has a large number of evangelical Christians and they are probably the source of the wish for this kind of thing, IMO. OTOH, if this therapy is something parents might force children into, that's probably really bad. Wish this gave us more detail.
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Post by beth on Aug 14, 2016 15:49:58 GMT -5
Free speech and religious rights? What about the rights of those who don't want religious and intolerant people to try and force them to be something they're not? The law would be a good thing imo. Doctors and psychiatrists should focus on real problems. Not their own prejudices. I don't see how anyone could "force" them, unless they are children under the age of consent (18 ?). In that case, prents with strange ideas could, possibly, make them do all sorts of things .. from therapy to exorcisms. Scary stuff!!!
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Post by Chelonian on Aug 14, 2016 21:05:31 GMT -5
Free speech and religious rights? What about the rights of those who don't want religious and intolerant people to try and force them to be something they're not? The law would be a good thing imo. Doctors and psychiatrists should focus on real problems. Not their own prejudices. I don't see how anyone could "force" them, unless they are children under the age of consent (18 ?). In that case, prents with strange ideas could, possibly, make them do all sorts of things .. from therapy to exorcisms. Scary stuff!!! Many are forced to take it or brainwashed into believing that they are living in sin and should seek to remove such so called sinful thoughts. Conversion therapy does not work. Here's an article about those forced into it: www.faithinamerica.org/reparative-therapy/
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 14, 2016 22:20:45 GMT -5
I don't see how any of it is illegal, or why it should be. Like Beth said, no one is being forced into this stuff. It seems to me these institutions force people to choose between religion and sexuality, which is fine with me.
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Post by beth on Aug 14, 2016 22:51:05 GMT -5
I don't see how any of it is illegal, or why it should be. Like Beth said, no one is being forced into this stuff. It seems to me these institutions force people to choose between religion and sexuality, which is fine with me. Not me. That's the kind of "tough love" that can get 'way out of hand ... and does. Remember the boy who was beaten to death by family and church members for "sinfulness" a few months ago? Was that part of Conversion Therapy? We may never know.
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 15, 2016 8:41:29 GMT -5
Not me. That's the kind of "tough love" that can get 'way out of hand ... and does. Remember the boy who was beaten to death by family and church members for "sinfulness" a few months ago? Was that part of Conversion Therapy? We may never know. Assault is already against the law, assuming it was done without the victim's consent. There is no reason why conversion therapy, or any other kind of voluntary association between a service provider and customer, should be illegal.
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Post by beth on Aug 15, 2016 13:07:47 GMT -5
Not me. That's the kind of "tough love" that can get 'way out of hand ... and does. Remember the boy who was beaten to death by family and church members for "sinfulness" a few months ago? Was that part of Conversion Therapy? We may never know. Assault is already against the law, assuming it was done without the victim's consent. There is no reason why conversion therapy, or any other kind of voluntary association between a service provider and customer, should be illegal. There should be some kind of age considerations, though. A minor can't very well refuse what his/her parents or church offer as a demand. For therapists, it just means more income. For the patient, it could mean trauma that would last a lifetime.
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 15, 2016 14:56:11 GMT -5
There should be some kind of age considerations, though. A minor can't very well refuse what his/her parents or church offer as a demand. For therapists, it just means more income. For the patient, it could mean trauma that would last a lifetime. They're technically clients, not patients. It's probably more appropriate to call them suckers.
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Post by beth on Aug 15, 2016 22:31:47 GMT -5
There should be some kind of age considerations, though. A minor can't very well refuse what his/her parents or church offer as a demand. For therapists, it just means more income. For the patient, it could mean trauma that would last a lifetime. They're technically clients, not patients. It's probably more appropriate to call them suckers. You're probably right but I'm pretty sure these "therapists" must need to have some kind of certification or other. Just can't believe it's from any legitimate source. Must come from a "soul saving" source rather than a "life saving" source.
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 16, 2016 8:45:13 GMT -5
You're probably right but I'm pretty sure these "therapists" must need to have some kind of certification or other. Just can't believe it's from any legitimate source. Must come from a "soul saving" source rather than a "life saving" source. Conversion therapy is the logical extension of xianity. It's as xian as it gets. Banning conversion therapy only legitimizes it.
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Post by beth on Aug 16, 2016 9:42:43 GMT -5
You're probably right but I'm pretty sure these "therapists" must need to have some kind of certification or other. Just can't believe it's from any legitimate source. Must come from a "soul saving" source rather than a "life saving" source. Conversion therapy is the logical extension of xianity. It's as xian as it gets. Banning conversion therapy only legitimizes it. I know very little about it and, actually, did not know they still had any such thing. Are the churches really behind it? Sounds sneaky and subversive (to me) if they are. Do you remember when there were therapists and counseling for "repressed memories" of sexual abuse? Maybe in the 90s. Turned out to be a horrible racket, but not before a substantial amount of harm was done. Could "conversion therapy" be where those old charlatans moved off to?
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 16, 2016 9:51:32 GMT -5
I know very little about it and, actually, did not know they still had any such thing. Are the churches really behind it? Sounds sneaky and subversive (to me) if they are. Do you remember when there were therapists and counseling for "repressed memories" of sexual abuse? Maybe in the 90s. Turned out to be a horrible racket, but not before a substantial amount of harm was done. Could "conversion therapy" be where those old charlatans moved off to? I'm taking the practitioners at face value. They're xians who want to love the sinner and not the sin. As much as I detest the conversion therapists, I can't say I'm real enamored with any gay person stupid enough to see one.
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Post by beth on Aug 16, 2016 10:04:05 GMT -5
I know very little about it and, actually, did not know they still had any such thing. Are the churches really behind it? Sounds sneaky and subversive (to me) if they are. Do you remember when there were therapists and counseling for "repressed memories" of sexual abuse? Maybe in the 90s. Turned out to be a horrible racket, but not before a substantial amount of harm was done. Could "conversion therapy" be where those old charlatans moved off to? I'm taking the practitioners at face value. They're xians who want to love the sinner and not the sin. As much as I detest the conversion therapists, I can't say I'm real enamored with any gay person stupid enough to see one. Unless they're under age and there by force or coercion from family or church. hmmm I can also see how some over 21 could be pressured into it against their will.
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