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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2012 15:03:46 GMT -5
"To some, there is a moral problem with abortions, and the reason they impose their beliefs on others,"
Have you not imposed your beliefs upon us that killing the unborn is okay?
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Post by fretslider on Jun 30, 2012 15:17:25 GMT -5
"To some, there is a moral problem with abortions, and the reason they impose their beliefs on others," Have you not imposed your beliefs upon us that killing the unborn is okay? No, but I bet you wish I had. I said it's the woman's choice and they can choose one way or the other. If I were to tell them how to choose you might have a point.
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Post by akamai on Jun 30, 2012 17:57:13 GMT -5
"To some, there is a moral problem with abortions, and the reason they impose their beliefs on others," Have you not imposed your beliefs upon us that killing the unborn is okay? No. As far as >>I<< am concerned, it is NOT OK, but it is LEGAL. It is NOT a belief of mine that abortions are morally OK, so I impose nothing here. It is MY OPINION that abortions should remain LEGAL. Just because >>I<< oppose abortions, does not mean anything, except that >>I << oppose it. I do not impose MY beliefs on anyone.. If YOU oppose abortions, then you and I have the same opposition except for the fact that I don't impose my belief or opinion on anyone as far as abortions. Ak
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Post by akamai on Jun 30, 2012 17:58:59 GMT -5
"To some, there is a moral problem with abortions, and the reason they impose their beliefs on others," Have you not imposed your beliefs upon us that killing the unborn is okay? No, but I bet you wish I had. I said it's the woman's choice and they can choose one way or the other. If I were to tell them how to choose you might have a point. WE AGREE on that. Ak
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2012 18:19:32 GMT -5
"To some, there is a moral problem with abortions, and the reason they impose their beliefs on others," Have you not imposed your beliefs upon us that killing the unborn is okay? No. As far as >>I<< am concerned, it is NOT OK, but it is LEGAL. It is NOT a belief of mine that abortions are morally OK, so I impose nothing here. It is MY OPINION that abortions should remain LEGAL. Just because >>I<< oppose abortions, does not mean anything, except that >>I << oppose it. I do not impose MY beliefs on anyone.. If YOU oppose abortions, then you and I have the same opposition except for the fact that I don't impose my belief or opinion on anyone as far as abortions. Ak It's to late to make abortions illegal; people won't accept that anymore so I remain opposed to abortion as with the gay situation, don't like the lifestyle but won't bring harm nor hate to those who practice being gay or having abortions. It's just a shame people were blinded to the truth of what is being done and that a life is being taken........the one life that cannot fight for itself nor are there many standing for that life.
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Post by mouse on Jul 1, 2012 0:06:15 GMT -5
"To some, there is a moral problem with abortions, and the reason they impose their beliefs on others," what is the moral problem with abortion ?? surely abortion has its place in certain circumstances and how do those who abort impose their beliefes on others??? surely its down to individual circumstances and choice rather than beliefe and as frety has said..some times its better that the unborn never live rather than have a life of misery/pain/violence etc
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Post by akamai on Jul 1, 2012 2:07:10 GMT -5
"To some, there is a moral problem with abortions, and the reason they impose their beliefs on others," what is the moral problem with abortion ?? surely abortion has its place in certain circumstances and how do those who abort impose their beliefes on others??? surely its down to individual circumstances and choice rather than beliefe and as frety has said..some times its better that the unborn never live rather than have a life of misery/pain/violence etc I agree. If you are opposed to abortions, don't have one. But don't impose your beliefs on those who disagree. A person who has abortions does not encouage others to do the same.
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Post by mouse on Jul 1, 2012 2:36:31 GMT -5
what is the moral problem with abortion ?? surely abortion has its place in certain circumstances and how do those who abort impose their beliefes on others??? surely its down to individual circumstances and choice rather than beliefe and as frety has said..some times its better that the unborn never live rather than have a life of misery/pain/violence etc I agree. If you are opposed to abortions, don't have one. But don't impose your beliefs on those who disagree. A person who has abortions does not encouage others to do the same. i dont see how any one can be encouraged to or not to have an abortion and these people who get violent over the issue and stand with placards etc outside abortion clinics really need to get a grip[as do educationally challenged women who use abortion as a method of birth control][luckily they are very much a minority] the option of a safe/clean medical intervention should be available to all women should circumstance make abortion a consideration or necessity and it is not for random strangers to deny any woman an abortion abortion is not a pleasant option for the termination of a pregnacy and only the most educationally challenged would and do misuse abortion those anti abortionists really do need to use the few brains they have and realise that desparate women WILL have abortions and that if the legal safe option is not available then these same women will once more be reduced to the undercover ghastly methods of earlier times of knitting needles..concotions such as hot baths and gin and even throwing them selves down stairs with or without the aid of a secret abortionist...with the possibilities that a/ the woman will bleed to death or do her selve a lasting damage internally b/the abortion will not be a sucess and the child be malformed and or mentally damaged etc etc and why should any woman be reduced to those barbaric methods in the 21st century..we have the technology so let us use it..cleanly and safetly
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Post by fretslider on Jul 1, 2012 3:51:34 GMT -5
Induced abortion has a long history, and can be traced back to civilizations as varied as China under Shennong (c. 2700 BCE), Ancient Egypt with its Ebers Papyrus (c. 1550 BCE), and the Roman Empire in the time of Juvenal (c. 200 CE).
The medical texts of the Hippocratic Corpus contain descriptions of abortive techniques. So even he wasn't against it
In Christianity, Pope Sixtus V (1585–90) is noted as the first Pope to declare that abortion is homicide regardless of the stage of pregnancy and that's where all the trouble starts...
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Post by mouse on Jul 1, 2012 4:25:56 GMT -5
""In Christianity, Pope Sixtus V (1585–90) is noted as the first Pope to declare that abortion is homicide regardless of the stage of pregnancy and that's where all the trouble starts..."""
exactly...the idea that life is sacred is also a silly religious idea...creating a life is a random affair down to sexual urge and lust.......nothing sacred about it and life is not a human right either survival and continuation of survival is due to many factors
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Post by akamai on Jul 1, 2012 10:18:18 GMT -5
I agree. If you are opposed to abortions, don't have one. But don't impose your beliefs on those who disagree. A person who has abortions does not encouage others to do the same. i dont see how any one can be encouraged to or not to have an abortion and these people who get violent over the issue and stand with placards etc outside abortion clinics really need to get a grip[as do educationally challenged women who use abortion as a method of birth control][luckily they are very much a minority] the option of a safe/clean medical intervention should be available to all women should circumstance make abortion a consideration or necessity and it is not for random strangers to deny any woman an abortion abortion is not a pleasant option for the termination of a pregnacy and only the most educationally challenged would and do misuse abortion those anti abortionists really do need to use the few brains they have and realise that desparate women WILL have abortions and that if the legal safe option is not available then these same women will once more be reduced to the undercover ghastly methods of earlier times of knitting needles..concotions such as hot baths and gin and even throwing them selves down stairs with or without the aid of a secret abortionist...with the possibilities that a/ the woman will bleed to death or do her selve a lasting damage internally b/the abortion will not be a sucess and the child be malformed and or mentally damaged etc etc and why should any woman be reduced to those barbaric methods in the 21st century..we have the technology so let us use it..cleanly and safetly I agree. I am old enough to have lived through the era when abortions were illegal in the USA, and I personally knew of a girl who lost her life because of an unsafe abortion attempt, and another because of a suicide because of her pregnancy. I basically oppose abortions, but I believe it should be legal. I know that I would not encourage anyone to abort before having them look at all of the options. Ak
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2012 11:07:44 GMT -5
I have to agree with Akamai's viewpoint....he has put out the best arguement on this subject
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Post by akamai on Jul 1, 2012 21:08:46 GMT -5
I have to agree with Akamai's viewpoint....he has put out the best arguement on this subject Thanx CM, If we could only educate our societies, abortion would become a non-issue. Right now, it is a problem, but the problem can be solved without making abortions illegal. With education, we can make it almost non-existant. Ak
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 2, 2012 13:52:57 GMT -5
it's an absolute that using abortion for birth control is inherently wrong. whether it is wrong on its face, i don't know. i DO know that, if it is wrong, the woman is going to have to explain it to god, not to me
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Post by akamai on Jul 2, 2012 14:22:26 GMT -5
it's an absolute that using abortion for birth control is inherently wrong. whether it is wrong on its face, i don't know. i DO know that, if it is wrong, the woman is going to have to explain it to god, not to me Yes, But it irks people like me, that a normal, healthy woman, with a healthy fetus, who had sex by her own choice, simply wasn't careful kills her child because she didn't take the measures to avoid getting pregnant in the first place. AK
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