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Post by trubble on Jun 12, 2011 16:30:13 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what would be the point of executing her?
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Post by trubble on Jun 12, 2011 16:31:14 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of media convictions ... never have believed the Ramsey parents were guilty .. but this time around, the defense needs a miracle. The mere fact that she didn't run to her family and LE for help the very first day her child was missing is quite damning in my eyes. In spite of people behaving differently in various situations, that month of excuses but no little girl stands out as 'way too bizarre. My thoughts precisely.
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Post by Erasmus on Jun 12, 2011 17:26:41 GMT -5
People can do all kinds of crazy things in the shock of an emergency, but they don't go on doing them, and that's the teller here. My guess, that she never intended to kill the girl but she was making a noise so she gagged her and she suffocated. Chloroform is not a substance commonly lying about the house and people do not suddenly get the bright idea to tape their noisy kid's mouth up, so there's a fair bet that this wasn't the first time - just the last
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 12, 2011 19:12:34 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what would be the point of executing her? trubble....I'll answer definitively, if you definitively answer.. the answer ;D If she is convicted, of course, she could be executed...Florida knows how to do this. or she could live a long life, both in prison and out of prison. Remember, odds are, at her young age....no matter what the non-dp sentence she recieves.....she will be released in the public again. We do not execute all murderers.....only the worst of the worst. We do this to protect innocents from totally demented, psychotic killers with no conscience. How in the world could anyone who has heard that she is accused of taping the mouth of her child, leading her out into the woods, and killing her....doubt for a moment what she would do to a child, or any person who "inconvenienced" her in the future?
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Post by Erasmus on Jun 12, 2011 21:36:29 GMT -5
To be honest, I find execution more merciful than incarceration for life in a lot of cases, but usually the cases where the law goes the other way.
Take the last century's greatest trial, Nuremberg. Is it possible that a man barely 20 whose whole thinking life had been controlled by Nazism that he could see improving his world from the horrors of Weimar inflation that his parents shuddered about, might be 'corrected' by imprisonment and liberal counter-propaganda? I think so.
On the other hand, what possible function did it serve except to allow the Soviets a presence in West Berlin to keep a nutcase like Rudi Hess goose-stepping his stuff for decades growing ever closer to Planet Wagner and away from this one?
Would it have served to keep a self-created psychopath like Heinrich Himmler alive, who berated himself for throwing up at the sight of girls being gassed? It might satisfy some feeling to hit out in revenge against this filth, but wouldn't that be just as much reduction to its level?
Alternatively, we could say that Justice, Mercy, Respect are attributes as unknown in Nature as his fanaticism, that are the way The Deity works through us, and perhaps respond more like Africans seem to do, that nothing can undo what has been done, so just exile perverts like that to some place we don't want to know about. Since we no longer have the luxury of territories overseas to be populated, I prefer to exile that sort into their next life.
No matter what anybody has done, death is clean, torturing a geriatric for what a kid did decades before is worse than the original crime. Either they have a problem capable of being cured - so cure them - or they do not, so top them because repaying evil for evil has no effect on them and cannot be a deterrent to the criminally insane.
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Post by sadie on Jun 12, 2011 21:48:32 GMT -5
I like the idea of her sitting in prison for years and years. I think it is a more fitting punishment. All she wanted to do was party and be free to do whatever she wanted. Now she will be told what to do and when to do it for a very long time. If she were to get out.....it will be a long time from now.....and she won't be competing at any more Hot Body Contests.
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Post by beth on Jun 12, 2011 22:01:03 GMT -5
Like Susan Smith, you mean.
Since that double murder was totally deliberate and she did not receive the death penalty, Casey could be given a similar sentence.
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Post by beth on Jun 13, 2011 1:05:30 GMT -5
NEW (CNN) -- Potential jurors in Casey Anthony's first-degree murder trial were asked during jury selection in May if they could look at the remains of a victim as simply evidence and not let their emotions sway them one way or the other. This week, jurors in the Florida mother's trial for the death of her daughter, Caylee, were put to the test. Week 3 of the trial began with forensic testimony about how someone searched for "chloroform" and "neck-breaking" on the computer in the home Anthony shared with her parents in Orange County. By Thursday, panelists were fully immersed in the physical reality of the 2-year-old's death: bones, decomposition, odor and all. The prosecution called key forensic witnesses, who described in graphic detail, the state of Caylee's remains when she was found in a wooded area on Dec. 11, 2008, six months after she went missing. "This is the skull with the hair and tape along with some leaf litter and other debris that was received at the same time as the other specimens," Orange County Chief Deputy Medical Examiner Dr. Gary Utz said on Thursday as he described a photo of Caylee's remains. Jurors saw images of the tiny, decaying shorts and Winnie the Pooh blanket found with Caylee's remains. Animals had chewed up Caylee's bones by the time law enforcement discovered them, according to testimony. At times, the typically stone-faced defendant bowed her head and tried to avoid looking at graphic images of her daughter's remains. On Thursday, Anthony broke into tears and was deemed "ill" by Judge Belvin Perry. Court ended abruptly to allow her to recover. [ .. .. ] More Here
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 13, 2011 6:09:50 GMT -5
indeed. of course, it's one juror that we have to worry about.. there is no doubt that all twelve jurors will vote to convict her, but it only takes one wuss to keep her from getting the death penalty. the penalty phase has to be unanimous also OK - well, let's hope that there are no wusses we hope that all twelve jurors are intelligent, and moral. they all had to say that they had no objections to the death penalty in order to be put on the jury. you don't want any touchy feely nutjobs on the jury in a case like this
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 13, 2011 6:12:29 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what would be the point of executing her? you can have a couple of points for the most rhetorical question of the day. she murdered her kid. no other point is necessary. there is simply NO intelligent or rational reason not to execute her. it would be immoral to keep her breathing
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 13, 2011 6:20:24 GMT -5
People can do all kinds of crazy things in the shock of an emergency, but they don't go on doing them, and that's the teller here. My guess, that she never intended to kill the girl but she was making a noise so she gagged her and she suffocated. Chloroform is not a substance commonly lying about the house and people do not suddenly get the bright idea to tape their noisy kid's mouth up, so there's a fair bet that this wasn't the first time - just the last of course she intended to kill the kid. even if your scenario were possible, a chloroformed kid don't make any noise. the duct tape isn't necessary to shut them up.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 13, 2011 6:22:43 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what would be the point of executing her? trubble....I'll answer definitively, if you definitively answer.. the answer ;D If she is convicted, of course, she could be executed...Florida knows how to do this. or she could live a long life, both in prison and out of prison. Remember, odds are, at her young age....no matter what the non-dp sentence she recieves.....she will be released in the public again. We do not execute all murderers.....only the worst of the worst. We do this to protect innocents from totally demented, psychotic killers with no conscience. How in the world could anyone who has heard that she is accused of taping the mouth of her child, leading her out into the woods, and killing her....doubt for a moment what she would do to a child, or any person who "inconvenienced" her in the future? in the very worst case scenario, we have to trust that she'll get life without the possiblity of parole. NO intelligent person wants this worthless c..t ever walking the streets again, even if she were eighty
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 13, 2011 6:30:25 GMT -5
To be honest, I find execution more merciful than incarceration for life in a lot of cases, but usually the cases where the law goes the other way. Take the last century's greatest trial, Nuremberg. Is it possible that a man barely 20 whose whole thinking life had been controlled by Nazism that he could see improving his world from the horrors of Weimar inflation that his parents shuddered about, might be 'corrected' by imprisonment and liberal counter-propaganda? I think so. On the other hand, what possible function did it serve except to allow the Soviets a presence in West Berlin to keep a nutcase like Rudi Hess goose-stepping his stuff for decades growing ever closer to Planet Wagner and away from this one? Would it have served to keep a self-created psychopath like Heinrich Himmler alive, who berated himself for throwing up at the sight of girls being gassed? It might satisfy some feeling to hit out in revenge against this filth, but wouldn't that be just as much reduction to its level? Alternatively, we could say that Justice, Mercy, Respect are attributes as unknown in Nature as his fanaticism, that are the way The Deity works through us, and perhaps respond more like Africans seem to do, that nothing can undo what has been done, so just exile perverts like that to some place we don't want to know about. Since we no longer have the luxury of territories overseas to be populated, I prefer to exile that sort into their next life. No matter what anybody has done, death is clean, torturing a geriatric for what a kid did decades before is worse than the original crime. Either they have a problem capable of being cured - so cure them - or they do not, so top them because repaying evil for evil has no effect on them and cannot be a deterrent to the criminally insane. the criminally insane are not subject to the death penalty. of course, too many aren't capable of comprehending the simple fact that this should ONLY apply to the insane, which is defined by mcnaughten, and not to run of the mill feeble minded that scotus so stupidly added with atkins. obviously, the ONLY thing that has an iota of relevance is whether or not the individual knows that murder is wrong. any mental deficiency aside from that has absolutely no place being addressed. nonetheless, your deterrence trip is a loser from the gate anyway. the reality is that, if an execution convinces someone not to murder, that is great, but, that should NEVER be the reason for an execution. NO deterrence is relevant other than the fact that the executed murderer is deterred from ever murdering again.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 13, 2011 6:32:17 GMT -5
I like the idea of her sitting in prison for years and years. I think it is a more fitting punishment. All she wanted to do was party and be free to do whatever she wanted. Now she will be told what to do and when to do it for a very long time. If she were to get out.....it will be a long time from now.....and she won't be competing at any more Hot Body Contests. while it's true that that would probably hurt her more, the point remains that there is NO legitimate reason to waste a couple of million dollars feeding her
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 13, 2011 6:35:28 GMT -5
Like Susan Smith, you mean. Since that double murder was totally deliberate and she did not receive the death penalty, Casey could be given a similar sentence. casey anthony and susan smith both murdered their kids for the same reason. of course, susan smith wasn't out partying every night after she did it. it was a travesty that she didn't get the death penalty, but, obviously, some imbeciles just shouldn't be allowed on juries. we'll hope for the better outcome with anthony
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