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Post by beth on Jun 10, 2011 21:12:15 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of media convictions ... never have believed the Ramsey parents were guilty .. but this time around, the defense needs a miracle. The mere fact that she didn't run to her family and LE for help the very first day her child was missing is quite damning in my eyes. In spite of people behaving differently in various situations, that month of excuses but no little girl stands out as 'way too bizarre. I think also that she has enough culpability to convict her...at least as an accomplice, which is still murder.... Without further evidence.....I wouldn't risk executing her...Florida certainly could legally, but I personally believe in a higher certainty of guilt before I would execute. Still, I'm not going to lose sleep over it....she is as dangerous as a snake. I wonder if we'll ever know what really happened.... Jen, I too thought the Ramsey's could have been innocent, but certain facts were pretty damning.... The note pad that the ransom note was written on was from somewhere in the house, and the hand writting couldn't exclude Patsy Ramsey. The ammount asked for, was the exact ammount of Mr. Ramsey's bonus that year. When Ramsey found his daughter he utterly destroyed the crime scene as having any forensic value. There was snow on the ground around the Ramsey house, but no footprints leading away from it. I still say, something stinks in Denmark there, but someone elses DNA was found on her.... I'll add a Ramsey thread, Ariz. That case always makes for interesting discussion.  |
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Post by beth on Jun 10, 2011 21:39:46 GMT -5
 Jurors watch graphic new video in Casey Anthony trial Orlando (CNN) -- The duct tape found on Caylee Anthony's skull could have been sufficient to kill the little girl, prosecutors said Friday. The state showed jurors a graphic new video, which presented pictures of Caylee's skull superimposed over her smiling face. It demonstrated the duct tape could conceivably cover both the girl's nose and mouth, suffocating her as prosecutors allege. "I believe that the exhibit was necessary to establish the state's theory that this duct tape was sufficient to be the murder weapon," said attorney Jeff Ashton. The defense had argued vigorously against allowing the video into court, saying it presented just one of many possible scenarios and would serve only to inflame sentiments among the jurors. But Orange County Chief Judge Belvin Perry agreed to allow the video into evidence. Determining the role of duct tape in the girl's death was "highly relevant," he said. Perry also denied a mistrial motion made by the defense, related to the video, at the close of Friday's proceedings. Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, 25, faces seven counts in her daughter's death, including first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse and misleading investigators. If convicted, she could face the death penalty. Earlier Friday, the chief medical examiner in the case said the way in which prosecutors say Caylee's body was discarded left no doubt that the girl was intentionally killed. Dr. Jan Garvaglia testified that Anthony's failure to report her daughter missing for more than a month was just one of three red flags that strongly indicate foul play. The others were the discovery of the girl's remains amidst black garbage bags in a wooded field -- "tossed in a bag to rot" was her testimony -- and the presence of duct tape on the girl's skull. "There is no child that should have duct tape on its face when it dies," Garvaglia testified. "There is no reason to put duct tape on the face after it dies." Attorneys for Anthony have said Caylee was not killed, but rather drowned in the family pool and that Casey Anthony and her father, George Anthony, panicked and tried to cover up the death. George Anthony denied that scenario during his testimony. Prosecutors allege Anthony used chloroform on her daughter and suffocated her by putting duct tape over the little girl's mouth and nose. They allege she put her daughter's body in her car trunk before disposing of it. Caylee's skeletal remains were found on December 11, 2008, less than a mile from the home of Anthony's parents. Anthony has pleaded not guilty and denied having anything to do with her daughter's death. Friday morning, jurors saw graphic photos of Caylee's bones and heard testimony that they had been gnawed by animals as her body decomposed during as much as six months in the field. Anthony looked down during the presentations, her head in hand, and daubed her face with a tissue. She appeared to sob at times. The duct tape and its position on Caylee's skull have been points of discussion in the trial for two days. Early Friday, a forensic anthropologist who examined the skull, John Schultz of the University of Central Florida, said under questioning from defense attorney J. Cheney Mason that the tape was not covering the nose hole on Caylee's skull when he examined it. On Thursday, Dr. Gary Utz, the chief deputy medical examiner for Orange County, testified the girl's jaw still had the jawbone attached when it was recovered -- relatively rare given the stage of decomposition. The duct tape, he testified, was helping keep the jawbone attached, along with hair on the skull. During cross-examination Friday morning, defense attorney Mason challenged prosecutors' claims that Caylee's jaw was held to her skull by the tape. Mason asked if the tape was wrapped around the skull or just attached on the left side, to which Utz responded that there were "points of adherence" on the right side. When asked by Mason whether the jaw came off while he was handling it, Utz said that it did not. Anthony returned to court Friday after appearing to fall ill Thursday afternoon as jurors were viewing graphic images of Caylee's remains. Perry ended the day early without an explanation to jurors. She continued to look shaken for much of Friday morning's testimony. Schultz said that one image, which showed Caylee's vertebrae -- the bones that made up her spine -- suggest that she was left at the site where the remains were discovered before her body decomposed. He explained that in children, in order to allow room for growth, individual vertebrae are not yet fused together. Because Caylee's were found in one location, it suggested they had been held together by soft tissue when they were placed there, he testified. Schultz testified that Caylee's body could have been in the woods for about six months, about the length of time that had passed between the time her family last saw her in June 2008 and the discovery of her remains in December 2008. The bones showed no evidence of any injuries or trauma prior to her death, he said. www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/10/florida.casey.anthony.trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 |
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 11, 2011 13:22:22 GMT -5
Have I missed something here?
How far from where Casey & Kaylee lived on the day in question....when Kaylee was last known to be alive...was Kaylee found "in the woods"?
Could she have been led into the woods (thus the duct tape), strangled & put into the garbage bag......all in a fit of rage?
The duct tape lends credence to it having been NOT in a passionate moment, but rather a carefully planned murder.
How in the world could a mother listen to her daughters terrified screams & calmly silence them with tape.....take her into the woods...probably listening to her muffled whimpering all the way...
then kill her?
This woman is cold beyond belief.
But they've still got to prove it.
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Post by sadie on Jun 11, 2011 14:28:26 GMT -5
I think she is definitely a psychopath......it's been interesting that she sat thru her mother's story while her mother was sobbing, sat thru her father's and brother's testimony and seemed to not bat much of an eye over it........course she's throwing them under the bus anyway.......
I can't figure out whether this crying fit is an act.......or if she killed her daughter and those pics and the description of the state of the body are finally making her realize exactly what she did.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 11, 2011 14:51:46 GMT -5
I think she is definitely a psychopath......it's been interesting that she sat thru her mother's story while her mother was sobbing, sat thru her father's and brother's testimony and seemed to not bat much of an eye over it........course she's throwing them under the bus anyway....... I can't figure out whether this crying fit is an act.......or if she killed her daughter and those pics and the description of the state of the body are finally making her realize exactly what she did. Good "catch" Sadie... I saw some "talking heads" on Fox news yesterday & one of the persons (reporter) being interviewed sat through the entire questioning yesterday.....glued to Casey's face & emotions. Casey used the same tissue. Anyone who has ever broke down & cried for hours, knows that you would use a whole box of tissues.... Unless, of course, they never came in contact with "moisture". She also said that when the jury was out of the room, she stopped her "crying"...as soon as they reappeared....she wept copiously...and dryly. Beth has really got me fixated on trivia now... Sadie, your posting name reminds me of a famous character in a very famous trial.... "Sadie Mae Glutz"....a pseudo name, in what trial? |
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Post by sadie on Jun 11, 2011 21:00:14 GMT -5
Well....the girl sure doesn't cry like me then.....my nose runs and I would be going thru at least a case of tissues!!!
Ahhh.....Sadie Mae Glutz.....from the Manson family........never even crossed my mind!!!!
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 12, 2011 7:46:32 GMT -5
Have I missed something here? How far from where Casey & Kaylee lived on the day in question....when Kaylee was last known to be alive...was Kaylee found "in the woods"? Could she have been led into the woods (thus the duct tape), strangled & put into the garbage bag......all in a fit of rage? The duct tape lends credence to it having been NOT in a passionate moment, but rather a carefully planned murder. How in the world could a mother listen to her daughters terrified screams & calmly silence them with tape.....take her into the woods...probably listening to her muffled whimpering all the way... then kill her? This woman is cold beyond belief. But they've still got to prove it. she didn't. she killed the kid in the house, and carried her body around in the trunk of the car for a few days before dumping it in the woods. tell you what, i'll give you 100-1 she's convicted |
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 12, 2011 7:49:48 GMT -5
I think she is definitely a psychopath......it's been interesting that she sat thru her mother's story while her mother was sobbing, sat thru her father's and brother's testimony and seemed to not bat much of an eye over it........course she's throwing them under the bus anyway....... I can't figure out whether this crying fit is an act.......or if she killed her daughter and those pics and the description of the state of the body are finally making her realize exactly what she did. don't worry. the one tissue will last her for the entire trial. she's never shed a tear over the kid, and never will. but, she isn't even a decent actress. |
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Post by markindurham on Jun 12, 2011 8:12:10 GMT -5
Have I missed something here? How far from where Casey & Kaylee lived on the day in question....when Kaylee was last known to be alive...was Kaylee found "in the woods"? Could she have been led into the woods (thus the duct tape), strangled & put into the garbage bag......all in a fit of rage? The duct tape lends credence to it having been NOT in a passionate moment, but rather a carefully planned murder. How in the world could a mother listen to her daughters terrified screams & calmly silence them with tape.....take her into the woods...probably listening to her muffled whimpering all the way... then kill her? This woman is cold beyond belief. But they've still got to prove it. she didn't. she killed the kid in the house, and carried her body around in the trunk of the car for a few days before dumping it in the woods. tell you what, i'll give you 100-1 she's convicted That's generous, Jim - Evens at best, surely? I've got this one as odds-on, tbh Do you suppose they'll ice the juice for her?  |
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 12, 2011 11:47:09 GMT -5
she didn't. she killed the kid in the house, and carried her body around in the trunk of the car for a few days before dumping it in the woods. tell you what, i'll give you 100-1 she's convicted That's generous, Jim - Evens at best, surely? I've got this one as odds-on, tbh Do you suppose they'll ice the juice for her? no no. if someone offered to let me take a thousand to one that she'd be acquitted, i wouldn't take it since i don't wish to lose my dollar. there is not the remotest possibility that she will be acquitted. what might be unfortunate though, is that i have to figure that, in reality, it's probably only about ten to one that she'll get the death penalty. there are males on the jury, and the broad doesn't look that bad, and that is the ONLY thing that could keep her from getting juiced |
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Post by markindurham on Jun 12, 2011 12:13:36 GMT -5
That's generous, Jim - Evens at best, surely? I've got this one as odds-on, tbh Do you suppose they'll ice the juice for her? no no. if someone offered to let me take a thousand to one that she'd be acquitted, i wouldn't take it since i don't wish to lose my dollar. there is not the remotest possibility that she will be acquitted. what might be unfortunate though, is that i have to figure that, in reality, it's probably only about ten to one that she'll get the death penalty. there are males on the jury, and the broad doesn't look that bad, and that is the ONLY thing that could keep her from getting juiced Mmm, I'm not sure - killing a kiddie is pretty much rock bottom, regardless of how good-looking she is - and I think the charade with the tissue will have been spotted, you know. That's the sort of thing that at least one juror is bound to have seen. |
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Post by sadie on Jun 12, 2011 14:15:48 GMT -5
Oh yeah.....I think she's going away.....but her attorney has laid down enough stuff for a retrial on all sorts of incompetence on his part.....so we'll be seeing her over and over.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 12, 2011 15:38:24 GMT -5
no no. if someone offered to let me take a thousand to one that she'd be acquitted, i wouldn't take it since i don't wish to lose my dollar. there is not the remotest possibility that she will be acquitted. what might be unfortunate though, is that i have to figure that, in reality, it's probably only about ten to one that she'll get the death penalty. there are males on the jury, and the broad doesn't look that bad, and that is the ONLY thing that could keep her from getting juiced Mmm, I'm not sure - killing a kiddie is pretty much rock bottom, regardless of how good-looking she is - and I think the charade with the tissue will have been spotted, you know. That's the sort of thing that at least one juror is bound to have seen. indeed. of course, it's one juror that we have to worry about.. there is no doubt that all twelve jurors will vote to convict her, but it only takes one wuss to keep her from getting the death penalty. the penalty phase has to be unanimous also |
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 12, 2011 15:42:26 GMT -5
Oh yeah.....I think she's going away.....but her attorney has laid down enough stuff for a retrial on all sorts of incompetence on his part.....so we'll be seeing her over and over. unfortunately, that's also true. hopefully, though, her performance through her mom and dad's testimony will take some wind out of those sails. |
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Post by markindurham on Jun 12, 2011 16:08:35 GMT -5
Mmm, I'm not sure - killing a kiddie is pretty much rock bottom, regardless of how good-looking she is - and I think the charade with the tissue will have been spotted, you know. That's the sort of thing that at least one juror is bound to have seen. indeed. of course, it's one juror that we have to worry about.. there is no doubt that all twelve jurors will vote to convict her, but it only takes one wuss to keep her from getting the death penalty. the penalty phase has to be unanimous also OK - well, let's hope that there are no wusses |
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