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Post by beth on Mar 8, 2018 14:06:18 GMT -5
Franc's government has proposed setting a formal age of sexual consent after two-high profile cases involving 11-year-old girls, according to the country's Equality Minister. Equality Minister Marlene Schiappa said the government "has decided to set the age at 15," after consultations with the public and an expert panel. She said a new law would be presented to Council of Ministers -- France's equivalent of a cabinet -- on March 21. In France, current laws criminalize sex with children under the age of 15 but prosecutors must prove that the sexual act was forced. Two cases involving the 11-year-old girls provoked outrage in France after the alleged perpetrators were acquitted of rape. In November a 30-year-old man was cleared of rape after the court found that the victim had not been subjected to "constraint, threat, violence or surprise." In the other case, charges against a 28-year-old man, also accused of raping an 11-year-old girl, were downgraded to "sexual relations with a minor," according to French news agency AFP. Schiappa said that the French President wanted to set the age of consent at 15 and she "had expressed the same preference on many occasions." In October 2017, she told CNN that she wanted to address rape culture. "We want to fix an age in the law below which it's always forbidden to have sex with children, with young girls. Below which it's always considered as a rape," she said in an interview. The law, once implemented, will set the age at which a person cannot agree to any sexual intercourse at 15 and will criminalize any sexual activity with any minor younger than that age. www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/europe/france-age-of-consent-law-intl/index.html |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 8, 2018 20:45:52 GMT -5
Franc's government has proposed setting a formal age of sexual consent after two-high profile cases involving 11-year-old girls, according to the country's Equality Minister. Equality Minister Marlene Schiappa said the government "has decided to set the age at 15," after consultations with the public and an expert panel. She said a new law would be presented to Council of Ministers -- France's equivalent of a cabinet -- on March 21. In France, current laws criminalize sex with children under the age of 15 but prosecutors must prove that the sexual act was forced. Two cases involving the 11-year-old girls provoked outrage in France after the alleged perpetrators were acquitted of rape. In November a 30-year-old man was cleared of rape after the court found that the victim had not been subjected to "constraint, threat, violence or surprise." In the other case, charges against a 28-year-old man, also accused of raping an 11-year-old girl, were downgraded to "sexual relations with a minor," according to French news agency AFP. Schiappa said that the French President wanted to set the age of consent at 15 and she "had expressed the same preference on many occasions." In October 2017, she told CNN that she wanted to address rape culture. "We want to fix an age in the law below which it's always forbidden to have sex with children, with young girls. Below which it's always considered as a rape," she said in an interview. The law, once implemented, will set the age at which a person cannot agree to any sexual intercourse at 15 and will criminalize any sexual activity with any minor younger than that age. www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/europe/france-age-of-consent-law-intl/index.htmlThat's not right in my book, I was seventeen before I reached puberty, so I wouldn't have been able to know what it was all about by having a need to have sex. They should leave the age at 18 yrs. |
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Post by Jessiealan on Mar 8, 2018 22:10:38 GMT -5
Lassie, I do not understand where you're coming from.
They are trying to make it a criminal offense to rape children - in this case 11 year old girls. It seems very reasonable to me. 17 year olds are apparently legal adults in France.
I could be mistaken but I think the age of consent here is 18, through states set that law and some are different.
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Post by beth on Mar 9, 2018 21:36:27 GMT -5
15 still seems awfully young to me, though I suppose it depends on the person. Both my daughters were prettyi much kids until abouty 17. No doubt we encouraged that.  |
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Post by annaj26 on Mar 9, 2018 22:42:52 GMT -5
15 still seems awfully young to me, though I suppose it depends on the person. Both my daughters were prettyi much kids until abouty 17. No doubt we encouraged that. In high school, the upper classmen kept us in our place. We didn't even dare thinking about being grown-up until 16 or 17 or 18. |
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Post by mouse on Mar 19, 2018 6:41:29 GMT -5
15 still seems awfully young to me, though I suppose it depends on the person. Both my daughters were prettyi much kids until abouty 17. No doubt we encouraged that. I think the age of consent is 16 here in the UK....I would say 16 is in general a good age... there will always be exceptions of course...and a girl may be ready physically but not mentally and vice versa and of course its a good thing for men to have an age under which they must not stray |
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Post by mouse on Mar 19, 2018 6:52:41 GMT -5
Franc's government has proposed setting a formal age of sexual consent after two-high profile cases involving 11-year-old girls, according to the country's Equality Minister. Equality Minister Marlene Schiappa said the government "has decided to set the age at 15," after consultations with the public and an expert panel. She said a new law would be presented to Council of Ministers -- France's equivalent of a cabinet -- on March 21. In France, current laws criminalize sex with children under the age of 15 but prosecutors must prove that the sexual act was forced. Two cases involving the 11-year-old girls provoked outrage in France after the alleged perpetrators were acquitted of rape. In November a 30-year-old man was cleared of rape after the court found that the victim had not been subjected to "constraint, threat, violence or surprise." In the other case, charges against a 28-year-old man, also accused of raping an 11-year-old girl, were downgraded to "sexual relations with a minor," according to French news agency AFP. Schiappa said that the French President wanted to set the age of consent at 15 and she "had expressed the same preference on many occasions." In October 2017, she told CNN that she wanted to address rape culture. "We want to fix an age in the law below which it's always forbidden to have sex with children, with young girls. Below which it's always considered as a rape," she said in an interview. The law, once implemented, will set the age at which a person cannot agree to any sexual intercourse at 15 and will criminalize any sexual activity with any minor younger than that age. www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/europe/france-age-of-consent-law-intl/index.htmlThat's not right in my book, I was seventeen before I reached puberty, so I wouldn't have been able to know what it was all about by having a need to have sex. They should leave the age at 18 yrs. its not about a need to have sex .....its about making a legal definition of when sex can becom e consensual and reaching an age where it works for the majority of girls not individuals ...... you were very very late in development just as o0thers can be some times very early.. ie 6yrsis far too early to develop sexually |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2018 7:22:08 GMT -5
That's not right in my book, I was seventeen before I reached puberty, so I wouldn't have been able to know what it was all about by having a need to have sex. They should leave the age at 18 yrs. its not about a need to have sex .....its about making a legal definition of when sex can becom e consensual and reaching an age where it works for the majority of girls not individuals ...... you were very very late in development just as o0thers can be some times very early.. ie 6yrsis far too early to develop sexually If you don't understand what sex is all about, how can you consent to it? |
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Post by mouse on Mar 20, 2018 8:44:10 GMT -5
its not about a need to have sex .....its about making a legal definition of when sex can becom e consensual and reaching an age where it works for the majority of girls not individuals ...... you were very very late in development just as o0thers can be some times very early.. ie 6yrsis far too early to develop sexually If you don't understand what sex is all about, how can you consent to it? you cant.. which is why there needs to have a defining age for saying yes that is acceptable in general I think most girls know when they want to say yes .. and by 15 its a given that most girls would understand what sex is about .. in theory if not in practise I cannot imagine many 15yr olds who wouldn't know what sex is about on all its levels ... and if they don't then their parents have been some what remiss as has their school education |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2018 8:59:00 GMT -5
If you don't understand what sex is all about, how can you consent to it? you cant.. which is why there needs to have a defining age for saying yes that is acceptable in general I think most girls know when they want to say yes .. and by 15 its a given that most girls would understand what sex is about .. in theory if not in practise I cannot imagine many 15yr olds who wouldn't know what sex is about on all its levels ... and if they don't then their parents have been some what remiss as has their school education You still have to understand what sex is otherwise it is not consent, therefore invalid. My mother never talked about sex. |
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Post by mouse on Mar 20, 2018 9:38:56 GMT -5
you cant.. which is why there needs to have a defining age for saying yes that is acceptable in general I think most girls know when they want to say yes .. and by 15 its a given that most girls would understand what sex is about .. in theory if not in practise I cannot imagine many 15yr olds who wouldn't know what sex is about on all its levels ... and if they don't then their parents have been some what remiss as has their school education You still have to understand what sex is otherwise it is not consent, therefore invalid. My mother never talked about sex. oh dear... no one is responsible for what you mother did or did not teach you... and to be fair things were some what igored back them how ever you will find very few girls who do not know about sex in the UK at the age of 15......and by 15 they will be very aware of their bodies and understand what sex is even if only in theory ..they will know enough to say yes or no when the time comes after all you don't have to know how to bake a cake ... but it doesn't stop you enjoying a slice |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2018 18:26:19 GMT -5
You still have to understand what sex is otherwise it is not consent, therefore invalid. My mother never talked about sex. oh dear... no one is responsible for what you mother did or did not teach you... and to be fair things were some what igored back them how ever you will find very few girls who do not know about sex in the UK at the age of 15......and by 15 they will be very aware of their bodies and understand what sex is even if only in theory ..they will know enough to say yes or no when the time comes after all you don't have to know how to bake a cake ... but it doesn't stop you enjoying a slice No doubt, but saying yes or no even if you are feeling something, is not the only issue here, that is not the full ramification of what consent is all about.It is about whether you could become pregnant and what you would be prepared to do or able to do, should that happen. You would need to be an adult to commit to what it would entail and knowing the full ramifications of the situation into the future. A child of fifteen is not qualified to think that deep and anything could transpire as a result. Leave it at eighteen. |
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Post by Jessiealan on Mar 20, 2018 18:42:21 GMT -5
oh dear... no one is responsible for what you mother did or did not teach you... and to be fair things were some what igored back them how ever you will find very few girls who do not know about sex in the UK at the age of 15......and by 15 they will be very aware of their bodies and understand what sex is even if only in theory ..they will know enough to say yes or no when the time comes after all you don't have to know how to bake a cake ... but it doesn't stop you enjoying a slice No doubt, but saying yes or no even if you are feeling something, is not the only issue here, that is not the full ramification of what consent is all about.It is about whether you could become pregnant and what you would be prepared to do or able to do, should that happen. You would need to be an adult to commit to what it would entail and knowing the full ramifications of the situation into the future. A child of fifteen is not qualified to think that deep and anything could transpire as a result. Leave it at eighteen. Well said, Lassie. As a mom of 4 and a grandmom of more, I agree. |
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2018 19:20:47 GMT -5
Lassie, I do not understand where you're coming from. They are trying to make it a criminal offense to rape children - in this case 11 year old girls. It seems very reasonable to me. 17 year olds are apparently legal adults in France. I could be mistaken but I think the age of consent here is 18, through states set that law and some are different. The perpetrators were acquitted of rape, how did that happen? Even 15 is too young in my estimation. The age of consent should stay at eighteen. They are encouraging paedophiles for sure.!!! |
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Post by mouse on Mar 21, 2018 4:07:35 GMT -5
Lassie, I do not understand where you're coming from. They are trying to make it a criminal offense to rape children - in this case 11 year old girls. It seems very reasonable to me. 17 year olds are apparently legal adults in France. I could be mistaken but I think the age of consent here is 18, through states set that law and some are different. The perpetrators were acquitted of rape, how did that happen? Even 15 is too young in my estimation. The age of consent should stay at eighteen. They are encouraging paedophiles for sure.!!! paedos like them younger than 15 so paedophiles are not being encouraged |
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