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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 9, 2018 11:57:11 GMT -5
[quote author=" Scottish Lassie" source="/post/237563/thread" timestamp="1520558662" you surprised me Kronks, I didn't expect you to say that you hated Emma Watson. We may hate some of the things that are happening, but God loves us all. It is the way that we choose to behave that is not liked, surely you haven't forgotten that?We are even instructed to love our enemies. We learn something from each person we interact with and from the Holy Spirit if we happen to be listening to that small, still voice. Well I guess it is better to say I hate her politics but it is hard to separate the politics from the person. I just can't stand he always doing her martyr but about feminism and all that when she herself is far better off and far more privileged than most men. I guess she is just a bit stupid, you don't need much brains to be an actor/ess, you are told what to say and do lol. I am sure she is well intention but somewhat misguided. She is probably a fairly nice person in reality (lol) she seems a bit snooty though! I don't really know her much as I don't watch films much. [/quote] We have many sides to our character, but a person's point of view just happens to be what a person thinks and shouldn't be a reason to say that you hate them. that is why people form groups, they think in a similar way so tend to agree with one another. There's nothing wrong either about having s friendly debate about different topics, even though you may not see eye to eye. It's not the end of the world surely?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 9, 2018 19:08:25 GMT -5
It is more often the men in power because they know their power allows them to get away with a lot more than the average tom dick or harry, it is a lot easier to tell peers or subordinates to f-off than it is the boss as doing the latter will like mean end of career etc... Yea so the elite are never going to attack their own eliteness, which is the root of the problem hence they attack men generally. Same with feminism, it is mainly pushed by elite women who are far better paid than the average man, but that is one inequality they are apparently blind to. The never address the main cause of inequality ie class. That is taboo. i really do wish you would join the rest of the human race ...and have a dose of reality sexual both verbal and physical attacks are not now nor ever have been regulated to one type of male ... it cuts across all educational.. financial ..and all layers in society...and how do we know this as fact... we only have to look at court cases to see the wide variety of attacks and the wide variety of attackers .... now i reaise you live in your own little bubble where publishers of dictionaries have all deffinitions wrong and words can mean what ever you decide they mean and the Pope and all his Cardinals/staff know nothing of Papal history etc etc ... but just for once imagine you are wrong and thatv women.. real bona fide women who have female all their lives and because of that these women know a deal more first hand about sexual abuse and harassment .... from working in a shop or laundry through to girls being flashed at by saddos ... from the confessional box to the madrassa... the army training school to the bike shed of the local comp why do you think sexual abuses and incest are within families... not just some families but families on every level....schools not just some schools but schools on every level why do you think rape/sexual murders cut across all levels and types in society .... the answer is simple .... its sexual and it crosses all levels from the lowest to the highest ... trouble is while there are people like you who want to turn the glare aware from criminal sexuality and turn it into some idiotic political banner then the perpetrators get away with the abuses ... or see it as some childish banner to w... mean while real lives are being ruined and spoiled and sulliedwhile people like you excuse predators and perves I am not excusing the uncaring attitude of men who take advantage of women. The reality is: that men have needs as women have also. Everyone is searching for happiness and they will find it anyway that they can. Some people will make a grab for it without first having the consent of the other person, and that is when the trouble starts.should we punish men who rape by turning them into eunuchs?
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Post by kronks on Mar 10, 2018 2:18:20 GMT -5
It is more often the men in power because they know their power allows them to get away with a lot more than the average tom dick or harry, it is a lot easier to tell peers or subordinates to f-off than it is the boss as doing the latter will like mean end of career etc... Yea so the elite are never going to attack their own eliteness, which is the root of the problem hence they attack men generally. Same with feminism, it is mainly pushed by elite women who are far better paid than the average man, but that is one inequality they are apparently blind to. The never address the main cause of inequality ie class. That is taboo. i really do wish you would join the rest of the human race ...and have a dose of reality sexual both verbal and physical attacks are not now nor ever have been regulated to one type of male ... it cuts across all educational.. financial ..and all layers in society...and how do we know this as fact... we only have to look at court cases to see the wide variety of attacks and the wide variety of attackers .... now i reaise you live in your own little bubble where publishers of dictionaries have all deffinitions wrong and words can mean what ever you decide they mean and the Pope and all his Cardinals/staff know nothing of Papal history etc etc ... but just for once imagine you are wrong and thatv women.. real bona fide women who have female all their lives and because of that these women know a deal more first hand about sexual abuse and harassment .... from working in a shop or laundry through to girls being flashed at by saddos ... from the confessional box to the madrassa... the army training school to the bike shed of the local comp why do you think sexual abuses and incest are within families... not just some families but families on every level....schools not just some schools but schools on every level why do you think rape/sexual murders cut across all levels and types in society .... the answer is simple .... its sexual and it crosses all levels from the lowest to the highest ... trouble is while there are people like you who want to turn the glare aware from criminal sexuality and turn it into some idiotic political banner then the perpetrators get away with the abuses ... or see it as some childish banner to w... mean while real lives are being ruined and spoiled and sulliedwhile people like you excuse predators and perves It is a tiny minority, and power alls men to get away with it that is why it is more common at the top of society, of course we do not hear about that much, at least until recently, previously it was covered up. The elite tend to close ranks and protect each other. Protecting their power base is paramount. The real problem is inequality, not "men". Most victims of crime are indeed man, the are the least powerful in reality (apart from elite men). The wealthy have always gotten away with it, they always will, that is why the poorest are currently suffering to paying off their debts.
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Post by kronks on Mar 10, 2018 2:29:45 GMT -5
It is more often the men in power because they know their power allows them to get away with a lot more than the average tom dick or harry, it is a lot easier to tell peers or subordinates to f-off than it is the boss as doing the latter will like mean end of career etc... Yea so the elite are never going to attack their own eliteness, which is the root of the problem hence they attack men generally. Same with feminism, it is mainly pushed by elite women who are far better paid than the average man, but that is one inequality they are apparently blind to. The never address the main cause of inequality ie class. That is taboo. what is class and how do its inequalities impact.. is class inherited or learned.. or just absorbed without thinking as we all learn mostly from our parents who are usually the largest influences for both bad and good ... is class nothing more than having different standards... I read some where that being a police man is now defined as middle class... and afterall the middle class who ever they are .. are only a step away from the working class they originated in .... the Middle tons are a good example or a bad example if you like of how class is hardly any great deal these days .. they have made monies wuith out any silver spoon and they have both worked extremely hard because they were an ambitious couple who wanted the best for their children... in fact I would go so far as to say that the Middletons have turned ideas of class and so called inequalities on its head ...by methods which have not required name/background or any great wealth same applied to Sophie Countess of Wessex... again... no wealth no family name no silver spoon etc but they do all have one thing in common ...do you knoiw what that is by the way the Middleton girls were known in some quarters as the ivy sisters..... [you may or may not understand the joke ] I am afraid you have scored a big own GOAL!!!!!!!!!! there!!! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/kate-middleton/9747412/Duchess-of-Cambridge-discovers-blue-blood-in-her-own-family.htmlSo the fake news she is a common is exposed. So it was all a sham, explains why he married someone so ugly and talentless, unlike Harry who married a red Indian. Of course people like to pretend they are from a common background these days, a bit like Barron Frettslider no doubt!
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Post by kronks on Mar 10, 2018 2:47:43 GMT -5
[quote author=" Scottish Lassie " source="/post/237563/thread" timestamp="1520558662" you surprised me Kronks, I didn't expect you to say that you hated Emma Watson. We may hate some of the things that are happening, but God loves us all. It is the way that we choose to behave that is not liked, surely you haven't forgotten that?We are even instructed to love our enemies. We learn something from each person we interact with and from the Holy Spirit if we happen to be listening to that small, still voice. Well I guess it is better to say I hate her politics but it is hard to separate the politics from the person. I just can't stand he always doing her martyr but about feminism and all that when she herself is far better off and far more privileged than most men. I guess she is just a bit stupid, you don't need much brains to be an actor/ess, you are told what to say and do lol. I am sure she is well intention but somewhat misguided. She is probably a fairly nice person in reality (lol) she seems a bit snooty though! I don't really know her much as I don't watch films much. We have many sides to our character, but a person's point of view just happens to be what a person thinks and shouldn't be a reason to say that you hate them. that is why people form groups, they think in a similar way so tend to agree with one another. There's nothing wrong either about having s friendly debate about different topics, even though you may not see eye to eye. It's not the end of the world surely?[/quote] Of course it is not but the problem with her is there is no discussion, we just get lectures from her, with no right or reply. I don't hate her personally I just hate how stupid she is. I'd gladly go to dinner with her, just so long as she is paying, which is exactly what a feminist is supposed to do, that is the talk anyway, in reality the man is expect to pay. That is the problem with her politics, in reality it is all a load of codswallop!!
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Post by mouse on Mar 10, 2018 3:47:16 GMT -5
i really do wish you would join the rest of the human race ...and have a dose of reality sexual both verbal and physical attacks are not now nor ever have been regulated to one type of male ... it cuts across all educational.. financial ..and all layers in society...and how do we know this as fact... we only have to look at court cases to see the wide variety of attacks and the wide variety of attackers .... now i reaise you live in your own little bubble where publishers of dictionaries have all deffinitions wrong and words can mean what ever you decide they mean and the Pope and all his Cardinals/staff know nothing of Papal history etc etc ... but just for once imagine you are wrong and thatv women.. real bona fide women who have female all their lives and because of that these women know a deal more first hand about sexual abuse and harassment .... from working in a shop or laundry through to girls being flashed at by saddos ... from the confessional box to the madrassa... the army training school to the bike shed of the local comp why do you think sexual abuses and incest are within families... not just some families but families on every level....schools not just some schools but schools on every level why do you think rape/sexual murders cut across all levels and types in society .... the answer is simple .... its sexual and it crosses all levels from the lowest to the highest ... trouble is while there are people like you who want to turn the glare aware from criminal sexuality and turn it into some idiotic political banner then the perpetrators get away with the abuses ... or see it as some childish banner to w... mean while real lives are being ruined and spoiled and sulliedwhile people like you excuse predators and perves It is a tiny minority, and power alls men to get away with it that is why it is more common at the top of society, of course we do not hear about that much, at least until recently, previously it was covered up. The elite tend to close ranks and protect each other. Protecting their power base is paramount. The real problem is inequality, not "men". Most victims of crime are indeed man, the are the least powerful in reality (apart from elite men). The wealthy have always gotten away with it, they always will, that is why the poorest are currently suffering to paying off their debts. so the real problem of sexual abuse is inequality and not men where males to the abusing .. its inequality not sexual urges./perversions and predetors that is driving sexual abuse ?and laughably its more common at the top of society than it is at the bottom...because the so called elite close ranks to protect their power base and most victims of the crime of sexual abuse are men who are the least powerful apart from elite men so there we are ladies...from a horses mouth so to speak .. men are the victims of sexual crimes and its all about inequalities nothing to do with sex ... must remember to tell that to the next victim of rape/sexual harresment..grope or innuendo .. that is her fault
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Post by mouse on Mar 10, 2018 4:14:46 GMT -5
what is class and how do its inequalities impact.. is class inherited or learned.. or just absorbed without thinking as we all learn mostly from our parents who are usually the largest influences for both bad and good ... is class nothing more than having different standards... I read some where that being a police man is now defined as middle class... and afterall the middle class who ever they are .. are only a step away from the working class they originated in .... the Middle tons are a good example or a bad example if you like of how class is hardly any great deal these days .. they have made monies wuith out any silver spoon and they have both worked extremely hard because they were an ambitious couple who wanted the best for their children... in fact I would go so far as to say that the Middletons have turned ideas of class and so called inequalities on its head ...by methods which have not required name/background or any great wealth same applied to Sophie Countess of Wessex... again... no wealth no family name no silver spoon etc but they do all have one thing in common ...do you knoiw what that is by the way the Middleton girls were known in some quarters as the ivy sisters..... [you may or may not understand the joke ] I am afraid you have scored a big own GOAL!!!!!!!!!! there!!! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/kate-middleton/9747412/Duchess-of-Cambridge-discovers-blue-blood-in-her-own-family.htmlSo the fake news she is a common is exposed. So it was all a sham, explains why he married someone so ugly and talentless, unlike Harry who married a red Indian. Of course people like to pretend they are from a common background these days, a bit like Barron Frettslider no doubt! you see that is where history and reading come in very useful... it was said before ww2 that all the English would be related to the royals one way or another.. one of the reasons being we live on an island .. so scratch any long term English family and Bingo... how ever having some one generations back is no indicator of any thing .... one of the actors in EastEnders is a decendent of one of the Kings one of the early Edwards? .... that still wouldn't give Danny Dwyer edge or turn him into a silk purse
so back to the Middletons and Sophie Wessex two very ordinary girls from ordinary backgrounds.. certainly no silver spoons and no social advantages .. what the three do have in common is that they appear to all have been brought up well with personal standards.. good manners and pleasant dispositions
actually Harry isn't married and I believe or understand that Harrys wife to be is of mixed race ie white-African and very similar background to both Middletons and Sophie Wessex... and those women have had no great social or monetary backgrounds they had no edge... the only people who thing these things are a big deal are people like you with a chip on your shoulder and some out of date political witterings and a considerable amount of imagination
so there is no sham they have married where they wished ...
and how very interesting that you use the term """common background """you who purports to despise the elite or anyone with any kind of learning/education and you also make the mistake of taking the word out of its true context ..
the tern commoner describes those with out a titled or royal background .. it does not describe a social class.....though its often used to describe a certain type of low behaviour/person ie common as muck ....
so the third son of an Earl or lord who has no title is as much a commener as you or me or yes... even baron Fret ... princess Annes two children and their children are all commoners even though they are grandchildren and great GRandchildren of the RIEGNING MONARCH
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Post by kronks on Mar 11, 2018 2:14:08 GMT -5
It is a tiny minority, and power alls men to get away with it that is why it is more common at the top of society, of course we do not hear about that much, at least until recently, previously it was covered up. The elite tend to close ranks and protect each other. Protecting their power base is paramount. The real problem is inequality, not "men". Most victims of crime are indeed man, the are the least powerful in reality (apart from elite men). The wealthy have always gotten away with it, they always will, that is why the poorest are currently suffering to paying off their debts. so the real problem of sexual abuse is inequality and not men where males to the abusing .. its inequality not sexual urges./perversions and predetors that is driving sexual abuse ?and laughably its more common at the top of society than it is at the bottom...because the so called elite close ranks to protect their power base and most victims of the crime of sexual abuse are men who are the least powerful apart from elite men so there we are ladies...from a horses mouth so to speak .. men are the victims of sexual crimes and its all about inequalities nothing to do with sex ... must remember to tell that to the next victim of rape/sexual harresment..grope or innuendo .. that is her fault Fact is women let elite men get away with stuff other men could not get away with, that is why nobody tend to come forward until the men have lost their position of power so they can't get anything out of it. Then they cash in.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 11, 2018 2:16:49 GMT -5
WHO CARES? Where is the class in murder, and that is what has been happening in Royalty. They would knock each other off in order to ascend the throne.that is not class in my book.!!!
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Post by kronks on Mar 11, 2018 2:31:51 GMT -5
you see that is where history and reading come in very useful... it was said before ww2 that all the English would be related to the royals one way or another.. one of the reasons being we live on an island .. so scratch any long term English family and Bingo... how ever having some one generations back is no indicator of any thing .... one of the actors in EastEnders is a decendent of one of the Kings one of the early Edwards? .... that still wouldn't give Danny Dwyer edge or turn him into a silk purse
so back to the Middletons and Sophie Wessex two very ordinary girls from ordinary backgrounds.. certainly no silver spoons and no social advantages .. what the three do have in common is that they appear to all have been brought up well with personal standards.. good manners and pleasant dispositions
actually Harry isn't married and I believe or understand that Harrys wife to be is of mixed race ie white-African and very similar background to both Middletons and Sophie Wessex... and those women have had no great social or monetary backgrounds they had no edge... the only people who thing these things are a big deal are people like you with a chip on your shoulder and some out of date political witterings and a considerable amount of imagination
so there is no sham they have married where they wished ...
and how very interesting that you use the term """common background """you who purports to despise the elite or anyone with any kind of learning/education and you also make the mistake of taking the word out of its true context ..
the tern commoner describes those with out a titled or royal background .. it does not describe a social class.....though its often used to describe a certain type of low behaviour/person ie common as muck ....
so the third son of an Earl or lord who has no title is as much a commener as you or me or yes... even baron Fret ... princess Annes two children and their children are all commoners even though they are grandchildren and great GRandchildren of the RIEGNING MONARCH
Kate is not ordinary she is from a privileged family, it is not like her mom works in poundland is it? Then your have these thick as a plank royals being given top jobs! CAsually mentioning your grandmother is the Queen tends to go down well at a job interview. The queen put in a word for David Cameron apparently!
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Post by kronks on Mar 11, 2018 2:33:54 GMT -5
WHO CARES? Where is the class in murder, and that is what has been happening in Royalty. They would knock each other off in order to ascend the throne.that is not class in my book.!!! Well they have no class in the true sense of the word, the are just upper class ie largely a bunch of scumbags!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 11, 2018 2:51:12 GMT -5
WHO CARES? Where is the class in murder, and that is what has been happening in Royalty. They would knock each other off in order to ascend the throne.that is not class in my book.!!! Well they have no class in the true sense of the word, the are just upper class ie largely a bunch of scumbags! I wouldn't say that a scumbag is someone who has class, they are criminals and that is the lowest of the low. It is all wrong thinking and will always be.!!!
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Post by mouse on Mar 11, 2018 4:19:18 GMT -5
so the real problem of sexual abuse is inequality and not men where males to the abusing .. its inequality not sexual urges./perversions and predetors that is driving sexual abuse ?and laughably its more common at the top of society than it is at the bottom...because the so called elite close ranks to protect their power base and most victims of the crime of sexual abuse are men who are the least powerful apart from elite men so there we are ladies...from a horses mouth so to speak .. men are the victims of sexual crimes and its all about inequalities nothing to do with sex ... must remember to tell that to the next victim of rape/sexual harresment..grope or innuendo .. that is her fault Fact is women let elite men get away with stuff other men could not get away with, that is why nobody tend to come forward until the men have lost their position of power so they can't get anything out of it. Then they cash in. nah fact is you have no argument to put forward ...all is wild witterings and generalities....pathetic..... ....sexual harresment is nothing to do with sex and its men who are the victims ... unbelievable in the 2o18 .....
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Post by mouse on Mar 11, 2018 4:42:22 GMT -5
you see that is where history and reading come in very useful... it was said before ww2 that all the English would be related to the royals one way or another.. one of the reasons being we live on an island .. so scratch any long term English family and Bingo... how ever having some one generations back is no indicator of any thing .... one of the actors in EastEnders is a decendent of one of the Kings one of the early Edwards? .... that still wouldn't give Danny Dwyer edge or turn him into a silk purse
so back to the Middletons and Sophie Wessex two very ordinary girls from ordinary backgrounds.. certainly no silver spoons and no social advantages .. what the three do have in common is that they appear to all have been brought up well with personal standards.. good manners and pleasant dispositions
actually Harry isn't married and I believe or understand that Harrys wife to be is of mixed race ie white-African and very similar background to both Middletons and Sophie Wessex... and those women have had no great social or monetary backgrounds they had no edge... the only people who thing these things are a big deal are people like you with a chip on your shoulder and some out of date political witterings and a considerable amount of imagination
so there is no sham they have married where they wished ...
and how very interesting that you use the term """common background """you who purports to despise the elite or anyone with any kind of learning/education and you also make the mistake of taking the word out of its true context ..
the tern commoner describes those with out a titled or royal background .. it does not describe a social class.....though its often used to describe a certain type of low behaviour/person ie common as muck ....
so the third son of an Earl or lord who has no title is as much a commener as you or me or yes... even baron Fret ... princess Annes two children and their children are all commoners even though they are grandchildren and great GRandchildren of the RIEGNING MONARCH
Kate is not ordinary she is from a privileged family, it is not like her mom works in poundland is it? Then your have these thick as a plank royals being given top jobs! CAsually mentioning your grandmother is the Queen tends to go down well at a job interview. The queen put in a word for David Cameron apparently! ]""""Kate is not ordinary she is from a privileged family""" strewth.. kate whose father and mother both came from very ordinary backgrounds is now elevated to a privileged background simply because her mother/father didn't work at poundland ..take a look aty the rest of that family....and that is where it really shows.. look at the rest of that family .. theres no privilege ... just hard work and a desire for better... and why not ?that is what the Middleton couple did.. they worked isn't that what all normal people wish for their children.. a better life.. a comfortable life for their families [though I would not be happy if my children married in the Royals] your values are well and truly skrewed ...no wonder you tie your self in knots and have no consistency/understanding etc and every time you move boundries to suit what you consider to be your argument and show up your envy at the same time.. the true fact that none titled people regardless of who they are are determined as commoners then brings out some irelivencie about thick royals ...... far as I can see you object to any one who parents work to provide and who in any way help their children to succeed for some obscure reason it makes those families elite and privileged.... well tough because decent people will work to provide for their children and will see their children get the best they can provide ... because that is what decent people do .. and its not a privilage its a duty .. responsibility ...and while hard at times and absolute pleasure
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Post by mouse on Mar 11, 2018 4:44:19 GMT -5
Well they have no class in the true sense of the word, the are just upper class ie largely a bunch of scumbags! I wouldn't say that a scumbag is someone who has class, they are criminals and that is the lowest of the low. It is all wrong thinking and will always be.!!! and just how many have been knocked off to ascend the throne ? in western Royalty ?
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