then pxxxss off and live in another system then you have a choice .. how about one that is really really rigged or a failed socialist republic ....0r go live some where where if you do not work you certainly do not eat and your children die of starvation.,. cholera.. TB...the world is your oyster
all this whinging on some one elses behalf .. the poverty of mainly lowlifes.. crims and the idle who will not help them selves who sit back and expect the state and tax payers to provide more and more and more and even as a couple of women recent ly said they deserved an increase.. yet neither of them worked or had worked.. hoardes of kids by different fathers all housed clothed and fed by working people while they sit back and don't take responsibility for any thing .......[not even their teeth which can be sorted free for those in recipt of certain state benefits]..
if you want real poverty then travel the world and endure it first hand..volunteers are always needed to work on projects
third grandson flew out of heathrow yesterday on his way to Nepal to give his services free in helping to rebuild from the earthquake .. and he had to raise the monies himself to get there and pay for his keep whilst there ...
you always go on the defensive by trying to turn the conversation to banks and wealth.. I wonder why... but it show you have no real argument about those who deliberately put them selves into poverty...
nobody would complain about the deserving poor getting a handout ..trouble is the non deserving poor also get handouts
why would banks pay NI.. the people they employ pay NI never heard of an organisation paying NI only employees
"""""Marie Antoinette had your attitude, maybe you will go the same way?"""" actually no she didn't .. it was her Aunt Ann of Bohemia who said let them eat cake
but of course your choice of example is especially good...of rich via poor even if it was several 100 yrs ago
there was never a better example of a good idea ruined by human nature than the French revolution where the revolutionaries turned out to be just mirror inages of those they had over thrown corrupt violent sexual predators etc and eventually of course.. the leading lights of the revolution ended up hoist by their own petard or in this case they too went to the bloodied embrace iof Madame guillitine
""""You were of course quite happy to see the rich get bailed out by the poor of course, there was none of the "get a fucking job"
attitude then, perhaps you could explain why?""""your assumptions are as far off the mark as your understandin... I personally would have allowed the banks to collapse gs
of course the reality OFletting the banks collapse would have been devastating to millions of savers who would have lost every thing in many cases even their homes and the social disorder which would have ensued would have made Greece look like a childs outing
am not quite sure what getting a fucking job has to do with people losing all their savings ?
""""How much did it cost to fly your son out? There are plenty in napal with building skills, no need for free holidays
for westerners as far as I can see?
I'd expect him to pay for himself, he is not needed, he should have given any money he had to folk who are already living there,
they don't need him getting in the way and consuming resources."""""
its my step graqndson my sons are considerably older and he has not gone for a holiday and its not exactly free
the airfair plus his keep for three months cost exactly £3,000....he had two thousand in his saving account from years of birthdays and Christmas gifts and a premium bond coming up trumps and""""""
guess what he got a job on a Saturday market near where he lives"""" and of course we all made donations
so you see he is paying for himself and is not blagging off the people of Nepal .. what exactly he will be doing we don't actually know as yet but he speaks three languages and is a whizz at IT .... you are a prime example of the opolitics of envy.. guess what.. absoutely any one and every one can volunteer to do aid work.. they too can get a saturaday or when ever job and save up ...because their is no exclusion from voluntary work
daughter for example worked on a Kibutz for a year .. another grandson worked voluntarily in a school in Africa and a year in a fairly local Oxfam shop all for free ..another son spent time in south America and they all paid their own way not forgetting the marathons for raising monies
""""Yes I turn the conversation to the banks to highlight your hypocrisy, you don't lilke that do you!! Tough!""""
no you turn the conversation because that's what people like you do.. they avoid addressing the real problems of why and how poverty...... because so much of poverty is self inflicted and at all costs people like you need some one to blame rather at looking at the problem and behaviour of those who are said to be poor ... lets be honest your argument falls flat once some of the reasons for poverty are known .... look at the people them selves and see where they are going wrong instead of trying to shuffle the blame elsewhere.. I could give examkples and will if you wish
""""None of poor get a "handout" how dare you use such language, the are all covered by insurance NI and they are entitled
to every penny they get an more as none should have been use bailing our wealthy investors, yet hundreds of billions were,
far far more then is ever paid to the poor, who were entitled to every penny they got.""""
see what I mean about getting defensive .. and what do you mean how dare I use such language.. get a grip man.....and no they are not all covered by NI.. especially those who don't and wont work ...and have never worked and paid their way
and yes there are handouts of all shapes and sizes.. the furniture warehouses.. the entitlement to a free cooker.. rents and a whole myriad of other freebies and cut prices
"""""Yes the people they employ pay NI, if the banks want coverage for the NI fund they should pay 22% of
their profits into the NI fund.""" what are you talking about ...why would banks or other businesses pay NI....
I hope they are forced to do that soon, and backed dated about 50 years or so.
T"""""""hat is a fair an decent society, not one rigged in favour of the wicked evil and corrupt. (no offence intended)""".and no offence taken any more than I expect you to take offence,....
Alpha 
