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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 23:25:05 GMT -5
Current thinking places it from the 1760s to the about 1940. Oil is considered a significant evolution and advancement of it. After that, the Age of Information, or Digital Age, came into being. How about a reputable source for that laughable notion. Oil was in use long before 1940. What do you think kept planes in the air? You're kidding me, right?
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Post by mouse on Oct 22, 2016 4:04:36 GMT -5
Current thinking places it from the 1760s to the about 1940. Oil is considered a significant evolution and advancement of it. After that, the Age of Information, or Digital Age, came into being. How about a reputable source for that laughable notion. Oil was in use long before 1940. What do you think kept planes in the air? it could be argued that the industrial revolution started before 1760... earlier was some what spasmodic.. i remember reading that the water closet could have been a reality in the reign of Elizabeth the first along with one or two other things.. of course no one can be absolutely correct in giving a date as with anything else the original idea has then to be put into practise trial and error long before it can be a working every day reality at the back of us the next village across the river is a house where a friend of mine lived .. built for Awkright or where Awkright lived for a time its dated 16 ..the original deeds disappeared over a couple of centuries ago ..lovely old place with all its original features still in it[theres still a working mill nearby producing cottons and designed cottons ...not unattractive either] further along the river on that side is a row of weavers cottages...typical three story with the 3rd story open across the length of all the terrace .... later cottages in terraces dating back to early 1800s comprise most of the dwelling of the village..very typical of their era they are two storey at the front and 3-4 and even 5 storey at the back owing to the fall of the land although they are one dwelling now...[it wouldn't have been unusual to have one family at the front and another separate family at the back] in ELIZABETH England John Dee and Bacon were notable inventers an innovators...and in Germany and across Europe too ...from telescope to frozen chickens ..science was beginning to be taken seriously and impacting on every day life and it all laid the groundwaork for what is now known as the industrial revolution one of the realities of ideas and invention is that while the ideas are there....the ideas have to wait until available materials are available to put the ideas into practice...Icurus and his wings..Leonardo and his submarine .....it all takes time for technology to catch up and produce new technolofy
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Post by fretslider on Oct 22, 2016 4:32:45 GMT -5
How about a reputable source for that laughable notion. Oil was in use long before 1940. What do you think kept planes in the air? Check out Brenan, Muir, and Butterworth when you get the chance. The timeframe of the Industrial Revolution has changed. You really don't need to be so antagonistic. It's nothing more than looking through the lens of the current zeitgeist. Re-interpretation is the preserve of those without an original thought between their ears. We recently had a load of rubbish on that basis on Mary Seacole. Overhyped and blown out of all proportion - because today, #blacklivesmatter So the history has to match the current view. It's political, not academic. The facts remain the same. 1760-1840. Now if you had said something like the nuclear age began in the 1930s you could've be right.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 22, 2016 4:48:57 GMT -5
How about a reputable source for that laughable notion. Oil was in use long before 1940. What do you think kept planes in the air? You're kidding me, right? Fokker Triplane 1915 Apparently the 'rotary engine' (not coal and not steam) ran on a refined oil product. And yes, it really was flying in 1915
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Post by fretslider on Oct 22, 2016 5:01:34 GMT -5
How about a reputable source for that laughable notion. Oil was in use long before 1940. What do you think kept planes in the air? it could be argued that the industrial revolution started before 1760... earlier was some what spasmodic.. i remember reading that the water closet could have been a reality in the reign of Elizabeth the first along with one or two other things.. of course no one can be absolutely correct in giving a date as with anything else the original idea has then to be put into practise trial and error long before it can be a working every day reality at the back of us the next village across the river is a house where a friend of mine lived .. built for Awkright or where Awkright lived for a time its dated 16 ..the original deeds disappeared over a couple of centuries ago ..lovely old place with all its original features still in it[theres still a working mill nearby producing cottons and designed cottons ...not unattractive either] further along the river on that side is a row of weavers cottages...typical three story with the 3rd story open across the length of all the terrace .... later cottages in terraces dating back to early 1800s comprise most of the dwelling of the village..very typical of their era they are two storey at the front and 3-4 and even 5 storey at the back owing to the fall of the land although they are one dwelling now...[it wouldn't have been unusual to have one family at the front and another separate family at the back] in ELIZABETH England John Dee and Bacon were notable inventers an innovators...and in Germany and across Europe too ...from telescope to frozen chickens ..science was beginning to be taken seriously and impacting on every day life and it all laid the groundwaork for what is now known as the industrial revolution one of the realities of ideas and invention is that while the ideas are there....the ideas have to wait until available materials are available to put the ideas into practice...Icurus and his wings..Leonardo and his submarine .....it all takes time for technology to catch up and produce new technolofy You could even call neanderthal or early sapiens industrial, they made tools weapons and artefacts. But this is daft. The IR is accepted as the utilisation of coal and the development of steam driven technology. The dates are accepted as ~1760 to ~1840. Most of the nineteenth century was powered by the fruits of that revolution. Today's academics are determined to rewrite history in a way that suits them and fits in with their [current day] values. Safe spaces, no-platforming and trigger words; academia has a terminal virus. As Eric Blair wrote: He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.So very true.
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Post by mouse on Oct 22, 2016 5:45:40 GMT -5
trouble is say it often enough and those who know no better will accept the revised version regardless of how absurd
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 6:31:31 GMT -5
Check out Brenan, Muir, and Butterworth when you get the chance. The timeframe of the Industrial Revolution has changed. You really don't need to be so antagonistic. It's nothing more than looking through the lens of the current zeitgeist. Re-interpretation is the preserve of those without an original thought between their ears. We recently had a load of rubbish on that basis on Mary Seacole. Overhyped and blown out of all proportion - because today, #blacklivesmatter So the history has to match the current view. It's political, not academic. The facts remain the same. 1760-1840. Now if you had said something like the nuclear age began in the 1930s you could've be right. You are incorrect. The second phase of the Industrial Revolution began in the mid 19th century according to current scholarship.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 6:46:08 GMT -5
You're kidding me, right? Fokker Triplane 1915 Apparently the 'rotary engine' (not coal and not steam) ran on a refined oil product. And yes, it really was flying in 1915 You are more eager to insult than to follow the discussion. You misinterpreted what I wrote. The point was that oil fueled and drove the second phase of the Industrial Revolution. I didn't realize that you are the arbiter of current scholarship, either.
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Post by mouse on Oct 22, 2016 7:16:47 GMT -5
You're kidding me, right? Fokker Triplane 1915 Apparently the 'rotary engine' (not coal and not steam) ran on a refined oil product. And yes, it really was flying in 1915 seems we are considering different phases of the industrial revolution....in fact I thought the industrial revolution was stand alone and self explanatory and not being discussed in phases if the foot print keeps changing shape as such I guess it could be said the industrial revolution started much much earlier with the such things as the mass production of bricks and skinning and tanning of skins the making of beers and materials for sale rather than individual use only ...same applys for the mass production of weaponry ..pikes..guns..bows and arrows...the smelting of oresto provide metals for arrow tips...door locks hinges blunderbusses etc ... all were crafts carried out by makers rather than the people who would use the made goods and not forgetting those crafts were represented by guilds and to be a member of the guild the maker had to reach a certain quality if we are talking phasesand productions then the industrial revolution started long before 1066... just out of interest on of my mothers cousins had one of the early planes..he took it to war with him when he sighed up wood and held together with glue and spit...he served in ww2 as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 7:35:23 GMT -5
Fokker Triplane 1915 Apparently the 'rotary engine' (not coal and not steam) ran on a refined oil product. And yes, it really was flying in 1915 seems we are considering different phases of the industrial revolution....in fact I thought the industrial revolution was stand alone and self explanatory and not being discussed in phases if the foot print keeps changing shape as such I guess it could be said the industrial revolution started much much earlier with the such things as the mass production of bricks and skinning and tanning of skins the making of beers and materials for sale rather than individual use only ...same applys for the mass production of weaponry ..pikes..guns..bows and arrows...the smelting of oresto provide metals for arrow tips...door locks hinges blunderbusses etc ... all were crafts carried out by makers rather than the people who would use the made goods and not forgetting those crafts were represented by guilds and to be a member of the guild the maker had to reach a certain quality if we are talking phasesand productions then the industrial revolution started long before 1066... just out of interest on of my mothers cousins had one of the early planes..he took it to war with him when he sighed up wood and held together with glue and spit...he served in ww2 as well It is now recognized as the period that encompasses the era when machines began to be powered by fuels, and how this changed production, society, and the environment.
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Post by mouse on Oct 22, 2016 8:57:47 GMT -5
a forge could be said to be fueling the craft/occupations of wheelrights or black smiths which changed society production and environment in all areas of every day life [some forges were fueled not only by wood but by coal in areas where coal was surface for the picking or available without minning...in seams visible on hill sides] Brick making too was pre acepted industrial revolution period...ovens and kilns fuel based Hampton court is a very visible example of the brick makers craft the complex hingings on suits of armour good exaples of Amourers skills ...the makings of glass for bottles and windows..especially the stained glass windows of the large cathederals if the rule of thumb is machines being fueled....is a kiln or oven or forge a machine ? I suppose not in the terms we know of them today..but none the less its an imput into production and availability of every day goods which man could not produce by labour alone
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 9:12:41 GMT -5
a forge could be said to be fueling the craft/occupations of wheelrights or black smiths which changed society production and environment in all areas of every day life [some forges were fueled not only by wood but by coal in areas where coal was surface for the picking or available without minning...in seams visible on hill sides] Brick making too was pre acepted industrial revolution period...ovens and kilns fuel based Hampton court is a very visible example of the brick makers craft the complex hingings on suits of armour good exaples of Amourers skills ...the makings of glass for bottles and windows..especially the stained glass windows of the large cathederals if the rule of thumb is machines being fueled....is a kiln or oven or forge a machine ? I suppose not in the terms we know of them today..but none the less its an imput into production and availability of every day goods which man could not produce by labour alone You can make an argument for almost anything. You can write an article and try to make a case for it to scholars. I'm talking about current scholarship.
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Post by mouse on Oct 22, 2016 10:09:25 GMT -5
Ariel wrote """I'm talking about current scholarship"""
which is a variable as you say..the word currant being indicative ariel wrote """You can make an argument for almost anything""""
I prefer to go along with facts.. known facts....not deliberately being akward in any way...
but the realities are that smelting of ores blah blah pre dates the accepted term industrial revolution afterall industy didn't happen over night ...the pace of innovation invention simply got faster as ideas and availabilities grew the accepted dates of the start of industrial revolution simply means change was faster and wider in the impact on society production and environment..and the populations flow into towns and cities so I will happily live with the broader understanding of the start and leave currant scholarship to its own devices
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Post by men an tol on Oct 22, 2016 11:15:53 GMT -5
An interesting article on industrialization is at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution This article looks at different types of industrial functions such as: Textile manufacture Metallurgy Steam power Machine tools Chemicals Cement Gas lighting Glass making Paper machine Agriculture Mining Other developments Transportation __1 Canals __2 Roads __3 Railways This also takes a look at the societal impacts. Industrialization has not been a singular point in time or a singular event but is more the building of some newer process on the work of what had gone before.
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Post by fretslider on Oct 22, 2016 15:08:22 GMT -5
It's nothing more than looking through the lens of the current zeitgeist. Re-interpretation is the preserve of those without an original thought between their ears. We recently had a load of rubbish on that basis on Mary Seacole. Overhyped and blown out of all proportion - because today, #blacklivesmatter So the history has to match the current view. It's political, not academic. The facts remain the same. 1760-1840. Now if you had said something like the nuclear age began in the 1930s you could've be right. You are incorrect. The second phase of the Industrial Revolution began in the mid 19th century according to current scholarship. current scholarshipI'm quite correct. Current thinking is clouded by anachronistic judgement - it's political not academic. The term Industrial Revolution was first popularized by the English economic historian Arnold Toynbee (1852–83). How does your new improved version of history tell that?
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